Originally posted by Bardock42Explain how Max was being misogynistic.
It's part of the point I'm trying to make. I think this thread was made due to misogyny. I think it attracts misogynist people. And I think it furthers the acceptance of misogyny, albeit in a small way, since it won't have much influence on anything.
I'll grant you that it can certainly attract misogynistic people, much like a really good cheeseburger can attract flies. But there isn't anything inherently wrong with the cheeseburger, is there Bardock?
How does it further the acceptance of misogyny?
Originally posted by Bardock42
See, I disagree with that. I think regardless of whether these women chose to do it, there can be a discussion on the societal ramifications of these kinds of pictures, and the manner in which they are shared and enjoyed.Additionally your assumption that these have all been made with consent is also faulty. Obviously a lot of these are from videos, that have been put in gif form, you have no idea in what manner the creators and/or women in them wanted their work to be shared.
You are also making toothless threats, you have no authority to stop anyone from posting here, in particular in a discussion regarding the validity of this thread.
To the first point, that's sexist against women. You don't realize it but it is mysogyny. One of the major positve points (for all humans) from the feminist movement is the liberation of women's bodies from the control of men. This included going naked and showing off their bodies, which was a "no-no" and a shame. They burned their bras and protested topless (and still do). You're taking a ginormous shit all over feminists and the feminist movement by clucking at women, who chose to get paid to remove their clothing in front of a camera. Your comments actually come off as oppressive and resemble a pseudo-Feminist Christian Conservative. Basically, I know you're more educated than this on what feminism is. I know you know this point of yours is the opposite of feminism. I think you're just trolling because these plebs are too dumb to call you out on this. Also, there is another side to this discussion: the ugly side of feminism where pretty women are not allowed to exist (see 1968 Miss America protest). That's despicable. I understand "not parade them around as cattle" but I disagree with their overall point about Miss America. Maybe back then, it wasn't about the "full package." Maybe it really did focus on just the looks. But, since I was a small child, it was about looking the best, saying the best stuff, and having the best form/technique when presenting. That's hardly just "looks." That sounds more like a sport than it does a "looks contest."
To the second point, that's pedantry that is ridiculous. The probability that any of these women did not consent to being photographed or recorded is stupidly low. Most of these are quite common and pop up in threads, everywhere (reddit). Most of them are famous or semi-famous adult stars.
I agree with your last point.
But, to make my point clear, if a woman wants to show off her body and perhaps make money from it, she should. It does not matter if society has influenced that she should do it (possibly influencing her opinion on whether or not she should), the fact that she can make that choice is true feminism. When she cannot make that choice, she is oppressed and the society is misogynistic. The same goes for men. If you live in a society that both men and women can choose to show off their bodies in any way they want (and maybe make money), you have a free society...at least when it comes to how you choose to present yourself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
That is a complete misrepresentation of what I said...
Actually, it is not. That's almost exactly why the 1968 Miss America contest was protested by some feminists: they didn't like the superior beauty of the women being presented because it represented a level of beauty that almost all women would never be able to reach. Seriously...that's one of the major reasons. I can't even believe that bullshit.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You are however treating women unfairly, due to the constant and ubiquitous objectification of women in society.
This is also wrong. He equally views and admires the male form, too. He doesnt discriminate. In fact, his depravity is much more extreme: he views and admires (faps) to the form of humans that combine male and female body parts (futa).
He is very egalitarian in his views of humans. You cannot fault him for that.
Basically, he thinks, "Gosh, sexy people are sexy people." You're throwing on extra bullshit that makes it seem like, "Only sexy women are sexy. All women should be sexy and meet my standards." That's cray-cray feminist talk.
Originally posted by Astner
You don't have any educational merits in terms of psychology, don't pretend that you know anything of the mental health of people let alone what should and shouldn't be legal.
I do have some academic education in psychology. Yet, I believe Bardock's knowledge on this subject exceeds my own in many different areas of psychology. Psychology, contrary to what many psychologists would have you believe, is not this amazing and obscure area of study that is very difficult to understand. In fact, a decent high school student could jump right into 4th year psychology work (as long as they had a great understanding of statistics and experimental design). I believe what you're doing is a logical fallacy. Perhaps, "Appeal to authority"? Not really...it's more like, "Appeal to the non-existent mystical nature of an imaginary academic institution."
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