The Rakata vs Yuuzhan Vong

Started by Selenial5 pages

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have a tendency to underrate TOR era marvels, let alone Rakatans.

Here is a comparison:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A-vek_Iiluunu

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Harrower-class_dreadnought

Basically, their is no comparison.

Vong were not dangerous because of technological marvels, they were dangerous because their technologies and capabilities were poorly understood. However, at technical level, they were primitive.

That's just flat out wrong.

The Vong would annihilate the entire TOR era with ease, none of the technology the Empire/Republic had would penetrate the vong's thick armor.

Not to mention the Legacy of Torment and other similarly sized Vessels would one shot pretty much any ship.

Originally posted by Selenial
That's just flat out wrong.

The Vong would annihilate the entire TOR era with ease, none of the technology the Empire/Republic had would penetrate the vong's thick armor.

Not to mention the Legacy of Torment and other similarly sized Vessels would one shot pretty much any ship.


Did you check the specs? I guess not.

On technical level, TOR-era starships are far more advanced and capable then any Vong ship of similar class.

A lone Harrower-class starship was so advanced, well-protected and packed firepower of such magnitude that it could take on entire Republic fleets of its time on its own and devastate entire worlds without much difficulty. In-fact, most advanced Harrower-class starships could one-shot entire fleets of the Republic and even planets with their built-in super-weapons.

In-fact, much of the OT era Imperial starship designs and capabilities are based on Harrower-class starships.

Vong made progress in the war early on because their capabilities and technological ground realities were not properly understood, basically due to element of surprise. But once they were understood well, it was game over for them.

No, actually. That's literally all wrong, I think I saw one thing in your post that I could actually call "correct."

But again, I feel there is no reason to try and debate against anything from the TOR Era with you because you're a raging fanboy who can't accept anything other people actually tell him.

Originally posted by Selenial
No, actually. That's literally all wrong, I think I saw one thing in your post that I could actually call "correct."

But again, I feel there is no reason to try and debate against anything from the TOR Era with you because you're a raging fanboy who can't accept anything other people actually tell him.


I can assert with confidence that you are a raging fangirl of KoTOR II era content. Before accusing others of raging fanboyism, keep in mind your likings and history as well.

Dismissals like that are not productive in debates. You need to provide a valid reason to support your argument.

Its funny that SWTOR era content have left so many butt-hurt.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Rakatans also produced technological marvels with which they could produce endless supply of weapons and forces.

KOTOR says they won't be able to do this endlessly.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can assert with confidence that you are a raging fangirl of KoTOR II era content. Before accusing others of raging fanboyism, keep in mind your likings and history as well.

Dismissals like that are not productive in debates. You need to provide a valid reason to support your argument.

Its funny that SWTOR era content have left so many butt-hurt.


I'm pretty sure she's talking about the part where you said one dreadnaught could slaughter an entire fleet, which contains more dreadnaughts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm pretty sure she's talking about the part where you said one dreadnaught could slaughter an entire fleet, which contains more dreadnaughts.

Harrower-class starship had different configurations depending upon models.

One particular model was capable of one-shotting whole fleets of the Republic known as Silencer.

Here is an image: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130206031821/starwars/images/f/f6/Silencertest.jpg

Due to tremendous firepower and capabilities of this model, it was classified as a superweapon.

I must assert that Selenial does not have knowledge of everything related to Star Wars. No pun intended to her but this is the reality.

Originally posted by Based
KOTOR says they won't be able to do this endlessly.

Any statement that confirms this? I recall that Star Forge is capable of producing endless supply of combat material, vehicles and starships.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
One particular model was capable of one-shotting whole fleets of the Republic known as Silencer.

This model is also known as Doombringer.

The Vong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Harrower-class starship had different configurations depending upon models.

One particular model was capable of one-shotting whole fleets of the Republic known as [B]Silencer.

Here is an image: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130206031821/starwars/images/f/f6/Silencertest.jpg

Due to tremendous firepower and capabilities of this model, it was classified as a superweapon.

I must assert that Selenial does not have knowledge of everything related to Star Wars. No pun intended to her but this is the reality. [/B]


Yes, but your first statement was that a single dreadnaught could hold off an entire Republic fleet.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Vong.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, but your first statement was that a single dreadnaught could hold off an entire Republic fleet.

It actually could.

More information here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t598922.html

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Vong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can assert with confidence that you are a raging fangirl of KoTOR II era content. Before accusing others of raging fanboyism, keep in mind your likings and history as well.

Dismissals like that are not productive in debates. You need to provide a valid reason to support your argument.

Its funny that SWTOR era content have left so many butt-hurt.

And that would be wrong.

Just because you've never played the game and have no idea what any of the characters can do, doesn't make me a fangirl. It makes you a moron.

Also, it can't have left anyone butt-hurt. The words Butt-Hurt imply that you've actually won any debates.

The words Butt-Hurt imply that you've actually won any debates.

Not necessarily. Debating doesn't have to have anything to do with being butt hurt.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Any statement that confirms this? I recall that Star Forge is capable of producing endless supply of combat material, vehicles and starships.

It says right in KOTOR the Rakata have abused the Star Forge to the point of dark side corruption that ended their empire. Yes the Star Forge in theory can produce infinite war materiel.

Just because the Star Forge can do it endlessly doesn't mean the Rakatata can.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have a tendency to underrate TOR era marvels, let alone Rakatans.

Here is a comparison:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A-vek_Iiluunu

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Harrower-class_dreadnought

Basically, their is no comparison.

Vong were not dangerous because of technological marvels, they were dangerous because their technologies and capabilities were poorly understood. However, at technical level, they were primitive.

You do realize you just compared a fighter carrier 'not designed as a warship,' designed to release fighters and fall back, with a crew of 300, to the heaviest TOR ship of the line with a crew of 2,400, right? And that the former carried several times the number of fighters of the latter? (It had 144 fighters per projection, of which there were several, up to a max of 480 total fighters for it's pilot capacity, while a Harrower carried 127 max)

Said fighters, Coralskippers, being superior to the shieldless light ones the Harrower carried as well.

An A-vek Iiluunu would fight a Harrower by releasing it's fighters and then hanging back til the fight was over or only moving in when the Harrower is damaged.

This, the Miid ro'ik, is the Harrower equivalent. At 1,600 meters long, it's twice the Harrower's length, and a TOR fleet has no equivalents to it. It regularly goes toe-to-toe with ISD-IIs, which are basically super-Harrowers, as you know.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

On technical level, TOR-era starships are far more advanced and capable then any Vong ship of similar class.

What? No, they're strictly inferior.

Vong ships are equal or slightly superior to OT-era Imperial Star Destroyers, which are basically Harrowers multiplied, based on but expanding from the same principles.

It's not even close.


A lone Harrower-class starship was so advanced, well-protected and packed firepower of such magnitude that it could take on entire Republic fleets of its time on its own and devastate entire worlds without much difficulty.

We have a recorded case of 4 Republic hammerheads and 10 covettes defeating 2 Harrowers and a carrier.

While they could take on a *small* fleet (i.e. smaller than that one), it's worth remembering that Republic Hammerheads of the time were half their size, and ISD and Vong cruisers are twice their size.

The situation is, in short, reversed.


In-fact, most advanced Harrower-class starships could one-shot entire fleets of the Republic and even planets with their built-in super-weapons.

Yes, with superweapons they have in very short supply.

In-fact, much of the OT era Imperial starship designs and capabilities are based on Harrower-class starships.

Based on, but bigger and worked on over time.

A Harrower is a small ship by OT era.


Vong made progress in the war early on because their capabilities and technological ground realities were not properly understood, basically due to element of surprise. But once they were understood well, it was game over for them.

Once they were understood well, they still were very capable of going toe-to-toe with their Imperial and Alliance opposition, which as we know are much above TOR era.

They lost in the end due to total logistics, their ships were still very powerful with their ability to strip shields, absorb heavy firepower, and dish out a lot themselves.

Originally posted by Based
It says right in KOTOR the Rakata have abused the Star Forge to the point of dark side corruption that ended their empire. Yes the Star Forge in theory can produce infinite war materiel.

Just because the Star Forge can do it endlessly doesn't mean the Rakatata can.

The Rakata own the star forge which can produce infinite resources. Your reasoning makes no sense to me

Originally posted by WildBantha88
The Rakata own the star forge which can produce infinite resources. Your reasoning makes no sense to me

It can produce resources endlessly (but, mind, it does have a max per-time output), but using it too much is likely why they lost connection.

Also, there's the additional matter that the Rakatan don't use automated ships. They still have to crew their stuff.

Basically having a factory that doesn't need raw materials isn't quite the same as always having enough ships.