Sith
Darth Bane-expertly deceived the Jedi into thinking the Sith were dead so they could prosper in secret hidden from the Jedi, created the Order of the Sith Lords, created the Rule of Two, and laid the groundwork for the Grand Plan and the Sith power base.
Darth Plagueis-finished the Grand Plan with Sidious, finished building the Sith power base, planted the idea for a clone army in Sifo-Dyas's head, and helped get Sidious elected as chancellor.
Darth Sidious-finished and executed the Grand Plan as chancellor, then emperor.
Jedi
Yoda-he made some very stupid decisions as Grand Master, and if he ha decided differently, may have stopped or lessened the Purge. The Jedi were privy to much evidence near the end of the war pointing at the Sith scheme to destroy them an its nature, evidence which Yoda failed to look into or blatantly chose to ignore. He also failed to take full advantage of a few opportunities to learn Sidious's identity. This is all topped off by Yoda learning the Jedi are all going to die, and just let's it happen.
Sifo-Dyas-the dude placed the order for the clone army.
Vallenthyne Farfalla-Johun Othone provided evidence that some Sith survived the thought bomb from the beginning, and despite it being perfectly reasonable that not all Sith were in the caves, Farfalla dismisses it with the old Jedi excuse of, "you're just being emotional." Then when he runs off with a strike team to take on Bane, he doesn't even warn the Council.
Originally posted by Selenial
It was Plageuis' scheme, Palpatine just happened to be the one who made it. Dooku was more important, without his loyalty Palp's would have been ****ed.
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Plagueis was inextricably linked to the creation of the clone army, but it was Palpatine who devised the scheme to turn the Republic against the Jedi and foment civil war. And per Darth Maul: Lockdown, Plagueis was only aware of the broad developments of Palpatine's scheme to topple the Republic. Essentially, Palpatine largely designed the plan and did most of the leg work; Plagueis oversaw the creation of the clone army and used his political capital to advance Sidious's designs.
And how much of that is even the case is up in the air since Plagueis is n-canon.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
😬Plagueis was inextricably linked to the creation of the clone army, but it was Palpatine who devised the scheme to turn the Republic against the Jedi and foment civil war. And per Darth Maul: Lockdown, Plagueis was only aware of the broad developments of Palpatine's scheme to topple the Republic. Essentially, Palpatine largely designed the plan and did most of the leg work; Plagueis oversaw the creation of the clone army and used his political capital to advance Sidious's designs.
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Yes, Palpatine's genius is what made the plan work out so perfectly. What he did through TPM to ROTS was the most essential part of the sith grand plan.
Originally posted by Selenial
She let Anakin leave for the Chancellors office despite strict instructions from Windu that no one leaves.
True, but do you really think she could've stopped him? Anakin and Mace were the most powerful Jedi on Coruscant, and Shaak Ti wasn't even part of the team sent to arrest Palpatine.
Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
True, but do you really think she could've stopped him? Anakin and Mace were the most powerful Jedi on Coruscant, and Shaak Ti wasn't even part of the team sent to arrest Palpatine.
Yes, I think she could have.
He wouldn't have attacked her, he wasn't unstable until he realised Windu was going to kill palpatine. She also had other Jedi around who would have helped her, the Temple guards etc.
She was also only left behind because they needed a Council member in the temple in case they failed, and Ti was easily the best leader out of the other 3.
She was a better duelist than Kolar, Tin and Fisto.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
😬Plagueis was inextricably linked to the creation of the clone army, but it was Palpatine who devised the scheme to turn the Republic against the Jedi and foment civil war. And per Darth Maul: Lockdown, Plagueis was only aware of the broad developments of Palpatine's scheme to topple the Republic. Essentially, Palpatine largely designed the plan and did most of the leg work; Plagueis oversaw the creation of the clone army and used his political capital to advance Sidious's designs.
And how much of that is even the case is up in the air since Plagueis is n-canon.
Perhaps. But again, Plageuis got Palpatine into power, and Dooku elevated him.
It was a toss up between Dooku and Palpatine for me, but Dooku was the one who got Palpatine the Emergency powers, Dooku was the one who put pressure on the Republic to do everything Palpatine wanted. Dooku's armies were the ones who cut down some of the Jedi's finest warriors and stretched them thinly across the Galaxy in order to make them easier targets.
Palpatine was crucial, but it was more the position of any Sith, Plageuis could have got anyone to that position, but no one would have replaced Plageuis' genius, and no one could have been as charismatic and effective as Dooku was at rounding the seperatists.
Originally posted by Selenial
Perhaps. But again, Plageuis got Palpatine into power, and Dooku elevated him.It was a toss up between Dooku and Palpatine for me, but Dooku was the one who got Palpatine the Emergency powers, Dooku was the one who put pressure on the Republic to do everything Palpatine wanted. Dooku's armies were the ones who cut down some of the Jedi's finest warriors and stretched them thinly across the Galaxy in order to make them easier targets.
Palpatine was crucial, but it was more the position of any Sith, Plageuis could have got anyone to that position, but no one would have replaced Plageuis' genius, and no one could have been as charismatic and effective as Dooku was at rounding the seperatists.
The problem is that Dooku didn't act independently, he acted under Darth Sidious's orders. Moreover, while Dooku was the public face of the Separatist cause, it was Sidious who orchestrated the development of the CIS from behind the scenes and through intermediaries. Dooku definitely deserves credit for pulling his weight, but Sidious was the one pulling the strings and doling out marching orders.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The problem is that Dooku didn't act independently, he acted under Darth Sidious's orders. Moreover, while Dooku was the public face of the Separatist cause, it was Sidious who orchestrated the development of the CIS from behind the scenes and through intermediaries. Dooku definitely deserves credit for pulling his weight, but Sidious was the one pulling the strings and doling out marching orders.
Perhaps, but this is an opinion based topic.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well sure, but I don't understand giving the lion's share of credit to the errand boy than he who was giving the orders and designing the plans.
Again, Palpatine wasn't That Important.
If it was top 4, then yeh he'd be on there. If that's any consolation.
Besides, Dooku could have enacted the great Jedi Purge himself, with the Seperatist army, given the way that the Banking clan and other financiers were operating.