Sith and Jedi Most Responsible for the Great Jedi Purge

Originally posted by Selenial
Again, Palpatine wasn't That Important.

If it was top 4, then yeh he'd be on there. If that's any consolation.

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We've established that Sidious was the one giving Dooku orders and masterminded the establishment of Dooku's power base, of which Dooku was merely the figure head (hence why Grievous and the Separatist Council are taking orders from Sidious ultimately post-Dooku). I don't see a more important position than that.

Originally posted by Selenial
Besides, Dooku could have enacted the great Jedi Purge himself, with the Seperatist army, given the way that the Banking clan and other financiers were operating.

The success of the Great Jedi Purge owed more to the surprise of Order 66; the droids were the known threat, so I'm not sure how it would have been as effective.

Originally posted by Selenial
Yes, I think she could have.

He wouldn't have attacked her, he wasn't unstable until he realised Windu was going to kill palpatine. She also had other Jedi around who would have helped her, the Temple guards etc.

She was also only left behind because they needed a Council member in the temple in case they failed, and Ti was easily the best leader out of the other 3.

She was a better duelist than Kolar, Tin and Fisto.

I think you're overestimating Shaak Ti, a little. Where is it stated she was a better duelist than Tiin, Fisto, and Kolar? In the novelization, Fisto wishes Yoda or Kenobi were going to confront the Chancellor, with him. Noone makes any mention of Shaak Ti needing to be there. Plus, Mace makes a reference to Agen Kolar, feeling confident that He and Windu alone could handle a Sith threat to Coruscant. I'm not saying Shaak Ti isn't skilled, but even Windu didn't consider her a necessity for the strike team.

As far as Anakin, he was clearly becoming unhinged as he was waiting in the temple. The movie also shows him going over what Palpatine said to him, as well as remembering his premonition about Padme. Shaak Ti wouldn't have been able to keep him in the temple.

I feel like the good Count is a little underrated in this regard. I mean he was the first and only prominent and most respected Jedi master of the PT Order that left the order, he was cunning and wise. I mean he trained and created TWO of the most fierce lightsaber duellists of his era(Ventress & Grievous) both of which killed many Jedi that weakened the order.

I also feel like Maul played a part as well as he was the first Sith to reveal himself in years and took out Jinn as well.

Also we gotta give credit to Jango, I mean his feat of taking down those Jedi is one of the many reasons Dooku left, not to mention he agreed to be cloned. The guy deserves some credit imo

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I feel like the good Count is a little underrated in this regard. I mean he was the first and only prominent and most respected Jedi master of the PT Order that left the order, he was cunning and wise. I mean he trained and created TWO of the most fierce lightsaber duellists of his era(Ventress & Grievous) both of which killed many Jedi that weakened the order.

I also feel like Maul played a part as well as he was the first Sith to reveal himself in years and took out Jinn as well.

Also we gotta give credit to Jango, I mean his feat of taking down those Jedi is one of the many reasons Dooku left, not to mention he agreed to be cloned. The guy deserves some credit imo

Sith: Darth Bane, Darth Plagueis, Darth Sidious
Jedi: Yoda, Anakin Skywalker, Sifo Dias

Logically, the entire Jedi Order; it had become so much accustomed to peace and lack of prepardness during the span of peace for a millennia that it grew out of touch of its old ways of vigilance and preparedness. Republic itself began to rot and descend in to corruption. Sith took advantage of these developments.

Some members of the Order were a whole hell of a lot more responsible than others.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could say Sidious isn't in top3 on causing the jedi purge. He is undoubtably the person most responsible for it.

Yeah, Palpatine inarguably bears the greatest responsibility for the purge. But setting that aside, Sidious is without question the most important Sith Lord in galactic history. Plagueis, Bane, Viti, and Krayt round out the top 5. Dooku, Revan, Kun, Ragnos, and Sadow wrap up the top 10.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, Palpatine inarguably bears the greatest responsibility for the purge. But setting that aside, Sidious is without question the most important Sith Lord in galactic history. Plagueis, Bane, Viti, and Krayt round out the top 5. Dooku, Revan, Kun, Ragnos, and Sadow wrap up the top 10.

I knew you would make this a Vittysiddy thing.

But I agree with you. Sidious' actions were the most critical ones as a sith in the galactic history. I wouldn't put Plagueis on no.2 though. Seems unfair to those who directly effected the galaxy.

Originally posted by Sinious
I knew you would make this a Vittysiddy thing.

But I agree with you. Sidious' actions were the most critical ones as a sith in the galactic history. I wouldn't put Plagueis on no.2 though. Seems unfair to those who directly effected the galaxy.

The others aren't ranked in order and I didn't turn it into a Vittysiddy thing unless you mean the indirect conclusion that Sidious is more important than Viti, which wasn't the point of the message, but is painfully obvious to anyone but LeGenD.

Importance of a Sith Lord is subjective matter. Darth Sidious is one of the prime figures of the mythos so he gets most spotlight accordingly. Undoubtedly he proved to one of the most cunning and accomplished Sith Lords of the mythos, perhaps the most in the matter of galactic conquest but his dynamics were different from those who attempted to do so in external fashion.

However, if galactic history is considered, Darth Krayt also achieved great success under right circumstances.

Emperor Vitiate ensured greatest progress of Sith ideals even though his ultimate plan was to eat the galaxy to become unstoppable. However, reconstituted ancient Sith made great progress in all aspects of Sith ideals covering Sith alchemy, Sith sorcery, understanding of the Dark Side of the Force and technological matters under leadership of Emperor Vitiate. Emperor Vitiate produced the highest quality Empire in the context of Sith ideals in galactic history at-least, first Sith superpower in true sense as well. He also orchestrated wars that nearly devastated the Republic and resulted in first known great purge of the Jedi Order in history.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, Palpatine inarguably bears the greatest responsibility for the purge. But setting that aside, Sidious is without question the most important Sith Lord in galactic history. Plagueis, Bane, Viti, and Krayt round out the top 5. Dooku, Revan, Kun, Ragnos, and Sadow wrap up the top 10.

I'd remove Dooku and Ragnos and put Ajunta Pall and Darth Ruin in their places.

I'd need a brush up on Pall and Ruin beyond the soundbytes.

Dooku played a pretty crucial role in Palpatine's endgame, which is extremely significant. And Ragnos anointed Viti, led the Sith through a century of prominence, mediated Sadow vs. Kressh, and anointed Kun. That's a pretty impressive Man Behind The Man CV. He's no Sidious, but...

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Importance of a Sith Lord is subjective matter. Darth Sidious is one of the prime figures of the mythos so he gets most spotlight accordingly. Undoubtedly he proved to one of the most cunning and accomplished Sith Lords of the mythos, perhaps the most in the matter of galactic conquest but his dynamics were different from those who attempted to do so in external fashion.

However, if galactic history is considered, Darth Krayt also achieved great success under right circumstances.

Emperor Vitiate ensured greatest progress of Sith ideals even though his ultimate plan was to eat the galaxy to become unstoppable. However, reconstituted ancient Sith made great progress in all aspects of Sith ideals ranging from Sith alchemy, Sith sorcery, understanding of the Force and technological matters under leadership of Emperor Vitiate. He produced the highest quality Empire in the context of Sith ideals in galactic history at-least. He also orchestrated wars that nearly devastated the Republic and resulted in first known great purge of the Jedi Order in history.

Predictable.

Anyway, you're wrong. Sidious is more important than Viti.

If that makes you happy. 🙂

It makes everyone happy but you, my son. Which only makes the rest of us happier.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It makes everyone happy but you, my son. Which only makes the rest of us happier.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You will be surprised but Darth Sidious is one of my favorite characters of the mythos.

I'm not surprised that you claim that.

Bottom line is, though, that Sidious is significantly more accomplished than Viti and had a fraction of the time to achieve anything of merit. Pound-for-pound, Viti is about as lame as it gets when you consider the length of his reign, but in terms of total achievements, he's still higher than most.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not surprised that you claim that.

Bottom line is, though, that Sidious is significantly more accomplished than Viti and had a fraction of the time to achieve anything of merit. Pound-for-pound, Viti is about as lame as it gets when you consider the length of his reign, but in terms of total achievements, he's still higher than most.

Well, I don't blame Emperor Vitiate for that. He was disadvantaged in the context of availability of resources to him. He had to hide from the Republic and make do with whatever limited resources he had at his disposal in the outer-rim. Even with such limitations, he accomplished a lot.

Palpatine, on the other hand, rose to prominence within the Republic itself and had tremendous resources of the Republic at this disposal to accomplish his grand plan.

Viti had the remnants of the Sith empire to play with, a bazillion trained Force users under his command, and a thousand years to build up a galaxywide army and navy.

Palpatine, hamstrung by political limitations as a Senator and Supreme Chancellor, built up two galaxywide armies and navies in ~10 years with the aid of exactly three Force users. 😐

Viti accomplished a lot, but against Sidious...? This is essentially a dark retelling of the tortoise and the hare... except the tortoise loses in the end. 😬