Which period of the galactic history is the golden era for the Sith?

Originally posted by Sinious
@ Carthage

What you're doing here is really tricky, kid. You base your arguments on feats, true but when we are to compare 2 characters from different eras where one has comic books, movies and a lot of quotes about him and the other one is less popular, the lack of info does not make that character less powerful. Darth Jadus is a perfect example for this. He never defeated another powerful force user in swtor but his being second to emperor quote and force feats help us understand his capabilities and rank him higher than some of the powerful PT characters.

The entire purpose of this forum is to do this and by ignoring that, you think you sound like a very scientific and clever person with strict debating rules yet you really don't.

So like I said before little one, you have admitted being a troll and I don't waste time with trolls. Now stop polluting my thread.

You're polluting your own thread.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I never explicitly stated that in this thread. Just that Dooku instantly wtfpwning Vitiate with the force is ridiculous.

Do you think that Vitiate instantly "wtfpwning" Dooku is ridiculous?

What you're doing here is really tricky, kid. You base your arguments on feats, true but when we are to compare 2 characters from different eras where one has comic books, movies and a lot of quotes about him and the other one is less popular, the lack of info does not make that character less powerful.

Nonsense, again relying on the appeal to ignorance like you always do. Showings are all that matter during comparisons between characters, I've never disputed Vitiate was a powerful force user, he just isn't as strong compared to others due to his lack of showings and the specific factors that come into play for his best feats. If there is a lack of feats and you are claiming that Vitiate is stronger (which you have done in the past for Jadus and Vitiate), then the burden of proof is on you to substantiate that claim.

Darth Jadus is a perfect example for this. He never defeated another powerful force user in swtor but his being second to emperor quote and force feats help us understand his capabilities

The entire purpose of this forum is to do this and by ignoring that, you think you sound like a very scientific and clever person with strict debating rules yet you really don't.
and rank him higher than some of the powerful PT characters.

Certainly not as clever as someone who foolishly defends featless characters, with appeal to ignorance fallacies and namecalling as opposed to well-reasoned arguments and feats.

So like I said before little one, you have admitted being a troll and I don't waste time with trolls. Now stop polluting my thread.

Your inability to beat my arguments doesn't make me a troll. Stop the asinine name calling and actually post something worth respond too for once or block me.

@Carthage the text supports that Bane's rainstorm feat is far above deflecting blasterfire from six shooters. You claim that deflecting three blasterbolts is somehow a superior feat.

Calculations heavily implied and supported by the text. I never denied that blasterbolts move faster, but blocking around a thousand raindrops a second for ten minutes is very easily superior to deflecting only three blasterbolts.

Except you have nothing in the way of a good track record. None of the other members believe you to not be unreasonable, I've pointed out several flaws and fallacies in your arguments, including you completely ignoring and contradicting canon statements (ironically enough in the favor of your own "theoretical calculations"😉, and I have provided evidence, including your own admittance, to you trolling. You have nothing at all suggesting a good reputation or anything that might amount to any form of credibility.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Do you think that Vitiate instantly "wtfpwning" Dooku is ridiculous?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I never explicitly stated that in this thread. Just that Dooku instantly wtfpwning Vitiate with the force is ridiculous.

Off nexus you haven't proven Vitiate can even stand with Dooku by order of his feats and showings. How is it a ridiculous assertion that Dooku can defeat Vitiate when his showings off a nexus are superior in every single way?

the text supports that Bane's rainstorm feat is far above deflecting blasterfire from six shooters. You claim that deflecting three blasterbolts is somehow a superior feat.

The text only states that Bane thought it would be impossible to do it, not that it is a superior feat to deflecting multiple blaster bolts while relying on precog, redirecting them faster than multiple shooters can react to, etc. Again who cares what an in universe Bane thinks, he also dodged bolts and did evasive maneuvers against the torrent he didn't just stand there and deflect them statically.

Calculations heavily implied and supported by the text. I never denied that blasterbolts move faster, but blocking around a thousand raindrops a second for ten minutes is very easily superior to deflecting only three blasterbolts.

Not when its faster than the shooters can react 👆, coming from multiple angles, and it relies on faculties such as speed, precog, etc all areas Bane sucks in. Again Krayt, Maul, Vader, and others have speed feats that put them above Bane in other areas. Bane was slower admittedly and if blocking water is the best you can devise to compare him to others, even in spite of him defeating his own feat by deflecting bolts this just highlights your lack of debating ability.

As for the rest of your post its the same irrelevant nonsense you always babble on about

Im not gonna argue about this again.

@ Carthage, Sidious66

For the last time, stick with the topic or stop posting here. I'll pm the mods to delete your posts if you keep trolling here.

Your ability to not respond to arguments is not trolling. But fair enough I will respect your wishes.

@Carthage Bane considered the rainstorm feat impossible to accomplish after having casually deflected blasterfire from half a dozen shooters. This a very clear sign that the rainstorm feat was superior to the half a dozen shooters feat by a considerable margin. And either of these speed feats is superior to the ones you have provided of Vader and Malgus deflecting only three blasterbolts. Your assumption that the rainstorm feat is inferior to blocking three blasterbolts can be classified as your own "theoretical tangent" or "non-canon calculations" by your logic, but the difference is that the text fails utterly to support your point of view while it pretty much confirms mine.

Your accusations of others using "theoretical tangents", even when they are supported by the text, despite you using "theoretical tangents" that are not supported by, and some times directly contradict the text, highlights your lack of debating ability.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes

👆

I will respect the OP's wishes and return to the topic of the thread.

The way I view it, there are three main factors to consider:
1. Quality
2. Quantity
3. Success
I will be providing three candidates chronologically, explaining my reasons for each, and then select the one that I believe to be the best example of the Golden Age of the Sith.

First off is Vitiate's Sith Empire. This order possessed both great quality and quantity of Sith, effectively possessing vast numbers of Sith, with a fair amount of powerhouses in there, effectively upholding the first two criteria. Unfortunately they kinda drop the ball on the third one relative to my other two candidates, which was success, seeing as Vitiate's empire never controlled the Galaxy.

Next up is the Banite Sith. Bane's Order possessed some of the most powerful Sith in Galactic History, "thirty in a millennium rather than the tens of thousands fit to be Jedi." The Banite Sith achieved such great power through the training and ambition of one day becoming the Dark Lord. This great power and secrecy culminated in the Grand Plan's fruition, and the Sith successfully taking over the Galaxy. At the expense of the criteria of quality and success however, the Banite Sith lacked the second criteria, which was quantity, with only two true Sith at a time, and only thirty Sith in a millennia.

My third and final candidate is Darth Krayt's One Sith Order. This order of Sith possessed great quantity with legions of Sith, and great success with their successful takeover of the Galaxy. Unfortunately they drop the ball on the first criteria, which is quality. The One Sith philosophy of fanatical devotion to Krayt to the point of suicide on his whim led to a general lack of ambition in his order, which is a crucial part in growth of a Sith's power. Only two or three of them ever aspired to be anything greater than Krayt's servants, and this shows when you see hordes of One Sith treated as fodder.

So the conclusion I have come to from my three top candidates is that there is no ideal representation of all three criteria, and the best we can settle for is one that upholds two of them the best. I will now go about determining that.

As per quality, this one falls between the Banite Sith and Vitiate's Empire. Bane's order I feel really outclassed every other order in this respect, with every Sith in the order training with the ambition to one day become the Dark Lord of the Sith. The Banite Sith trained with greater raw power, as a result of immense elitism in the selection of apprentices, greater ambition than any other order, with the prospect of one day becoming the Dark Lord, and immense knowledge with all the Sith knowledge of the order pooled together and added to for a thousand years. Quality: Banite Sith

As per quantity, this one falls between Vitiate's Empire, and the One Sith. Krayt's order had legions of Sith, however Vitiate's Empire had flourished and grown for much longer before revealing themselves to the Galaxy, and had a **** ton of them as per SWTOR. Quantity: Vitiate's Empire.

As per success, this one falls between the Banite Sith and the One Sith. Both took over the Galaxy, but I'd have to credit the Banite Sith for holding Galactic control for over three times as long as Krayt's One Sith. I'd also credit the Jedi purge of the Banite Sith being more successful, taking out 99% of a much larger order than the around 50% of the Jedi Order of Krayt's time. Success: Banite Sith.

Overall, based on relative superiority in factors compared to each other, I have determined that the fruition of the Banite Sith's Grand Plan is the golden age of the Sith, at least from my point of view. This would be followed closely behind by Vitiate's Empire and then Krayt's order.

Emperordmb
Only two or three of them ever aspired to be anything greater than Krayt's servants, and this shows when you see hordes of One Sith treated as fodder.

I'll note that you see just as many Vitiate Empire Sith treated as fodder.

Even among those who only aspire for power within the order, there are numbers of strong ones. They're still trained and battle hardened, and many have ambition to grow within the ranks... very much as is the case in the Vitiate Empire, where only a few dream of going beyond the Empire, even among Dark Councilors and the like.

Any big order will have it's stronger people, and it's less powerful ones, just as the Jedi do. SW, the main light side force users we follow are among the top warriors of the era, so of course they're going to win against most sith, even in groups, but if you followed a story about Orgus Din's exploits you'd see a lot of Vitiate era sith as fodder as well.

Originally posted by carthage
Showings are all that matter during comparisons between characters,

Lol.

Btw, last issue of Legacy 2- A One Sith trained sith (though a highly ambitious one- and not a high tier one) and a junior Imperial Knight force push over a several hundred foot across dish.

There's no lack of power

Q99, you mind posting links to the last 2 legacy comics? Or 3?

As I said Q99, Wyyrlok, that guy you mentioned(who was it btw?), Nihl, and possibly Maladi are the exceptions to the rule.

Oh yeah!!! How's Nihl doing as Dark Lord?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I have become a better debater since *shudders* SWF.

Really? Because you seem, like, exactly how we left you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And that is why a large bulk of members don't take you seriously.

Members like whom, exactly? Also, it's a reasonable assertion. Revan's TK feats hardly outstrip Ventress's in direct comparison. He's almost certainly the more powerful, though.

Revan's TK does outstrip Ventress'. Ventress can't even stand against Dooku without being ragdolled after a short duel. Revan took Vitiate's TK and kept on fighting after merely being pushed back.