Luke Skywalker (RotJ) vs. Darth Maul (TPM)

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Luke Skywalker (RotJ) vs. Darth Maul (TPM)

Who would win in a battle to the death?

Takes place on Endor.

Maul with difficulty

Nah, Maul wins easily.

Luke. Maul was losing a saber fight against Obi wan who was a padawan and had to resort to using the force.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Luke. Maul was losing a saber fight against Obi wan who was a padawan and had to resort to using the force.

Nah Maul beat him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nah Maul beat him.

Not in a pure saber fight.

Luke has a very valid chance here, though.

Maul.

Physicality - Goes to Maul.
Lightsaber skill - Goes to Maul.
Melee combat Skill - Goes to Maul.
Raw power in the Force - Skywalker
Skill in the force - Maul.

Maul knows how to control his force powers better, has shown masterful uses of Telekinetics etc, whilst Luke has only shown raw ability.

Luke had a rudimentary understanding of every form, but not in the masterful detail that Maul practiced.

A more in depth look at Maul from my darling historian...

Lightsaber Skill and Physicality.

Trained to perfection by his master, Darth Sidious, Darth Maul was a master lightsaber duelist. His focus on a purely physical victory led him to study and master the Juyo lightsaber, and couple it with his mastery of Niman, Jar'Kai, and his use of the double-bladed lightsaber.

Because of his training in Juyo, Maul was an incredibly aggressive fighter. He devoted his time to the physical aspects of fighting, forgoing the Sith tactic of Dun Moch in order to completely dominate his opponents through martial prowess.

Darth Maul's defense was strong, capable of holding off Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn and his padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi until he could lead them into an area to take advantage of Qui-Gon Jinn's weaknesses.

Darth Maul often incorporated his Teras Kasi mastery into lightsaber combat, giving him even greater utility in combat.
Darth Maul is a young, physically fit Zabrak. As such, Darth Maul was physically strong and agile, and possessed a remarkable resistance to pain.

Mentality:
Due to his harsh training under Darth Sidious, Darth Maul became little more than a vessel of hate, especially against the Jedi Order. However, he was still capable of feeling respect for others, granting them quick deaths. He was also capable of forming emotional attachments, showing a genuine brotherhood with Savage Opress.

Darth Maul was noted by Darth Sidious as being very prideful- even arrogant. He believed himself capable of killing every Jedi in the Jedi Temple- even the Jedi High Council- on his own. Darth Maul was often prone to gloating, which was what led to his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi on Naboo.

However, Darth Maul possesses an incredibly strong will. He is often willing to sustain any pain until his mission is completed. He was obsessed with achieving victory at any cost.

In combat, Darth Maul was an intuitive duelist. He would take advantage of an opponent's weakness to defeat them. When his lightsaber skill was insufficient, he would often rely on his tactical know-how to outmaneuver his enemies and move them into positions where he had an advantage.

Force Powers:
Darth Maul displayed a reasonable level of skill in telekinetics, as well as Force Choke and Force Grip. He was also resistant to Force lightning and telepathy.

However, due to Darth Maul's focus on physical combat, he did not use his Force powers in combat unless absolutely necessary.

Though that changed for TCW Maul (Though we're not using him)

Originally posted by Kotor3
Not in a pure saber fight.

Maul ignored Kenobi the entire duel, until the end where Kenobi gained nerd-rage, and even then, he was still not straining Maul.

Yeah, I go with Maul.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Not in a pure saber fight.

You and I must've watched a different movie then.

Legends: Maul
Disney: Luke

Canon: Maul.

Non-Canon: Maul.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul ignored Kenobi the entire duel, until the end where Kenobi gained nerd-rage, and even then, he was still not straining Maul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU

I do not know about ignored. Maul was nothing like Dooku who really did not give ground with fighting an ROTS version of Anakin and Obi wan. Maul gave up a lot ground, was push back by Qui Gon and saved by those shields that gave him time to recuperate.

As for not straining. We must be looking at different movies. Maul double bladed saber was split into one and Maul reverted to using the force to get Obi wan off him. If an enraged padawan Obi wan gave him that much difficulty, imagine what an enrage Jedi Luke would do to him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You and I must've watched a different movie then.

Yes we did.

Originally posted by Kotor3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHqdESArkqU

I do not know about ignored. Maul was nothing like Dooku who really did not give ground with fighting an ROTS version of Anakin and Obi wan. Maul gave up a lot ground, was push back by Qui Gon and saved by those shields that gave him time to recuperate.

As for not straining. We must be looking at different movies. Maul double bladed saber was split into one and Maul reverted to using the force to get Obi wan off him. If an enraged padawan Obi wan gave him that much difficulty, imagine what an enrage Jedi Luke would do to him.

Except Dooku had to resort to using the Force once Obi-Wan and Anakin got serious with their lightsaber skills >.>

Also, pretty sure Maul was luring Qui-Gonn to an area where his style would be less effective

Obi-Wan cut his lightsaber, and then barely gave him any trouble, he got kicked in the head after that for crying out loud. It's blatantly clear that Maul had the advantage.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Luke. Maul was losing a saber fight against Obi wan who was a padawan and had to resort to using the force.

1. Maul never lost the Saber fight to Kenobi.

2. Kenobi did lose the Saber fight to him earlier on in the fight while Maul was simultaneously taking on a greater Jedi than TPM Kenobi.

3. Who said he "HAD TO" use the Force to finish off Obi-Wan. Force push is a standard part of a Saber battle just like Kicks are. If Kenobi at least attempted to block the Force push, then you could say: "Maul only overpowered him because he was more powerful in the Force." But the way it happened Maul simply outfought TPM Kenobi.

4. Another 10+ years of training for Kenobi, time Maul spent in a straight jacket, and Kenobi still can't defeat Maul without immense difficulty, and that's in a pure Saber fight. Add in Force powers and Maul probably has the edge.

Originally posted by Based
Legends: Maul
Disney: Luke

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Originally posted by Samurai100
Except Dooku had to resort to using the Force once Obi-Wan and Anakin got serious with their lightsaber skills >.>

Ok. That would be expected. Nonetheless he was not giving ground.

Originally posted by Samurai100
Also, pretty sure Maul was luring Qui-Gonn to an area where his style would be less effective

I disagree. The movie clearly depicts a different picture, unless you have something from GL that says differently. The videos clearly shows Maul being back up by Qui Gon not luring. Maul purposely hits his saber on the those shields or whatever they are (I guess to see if it would go through) showing he was not aware of them or expected them to be there.

Originally posted by Samurai100
Obi-Wan cut his lightsaber, and then barely gave him any trouble, he got kicked in the head after that for crying out loud. It's blatantly clear that Maul had the advantage.

There is really nothing to discuss here. You say he barely gave him trouble I saw differently that he gave Maul a lot of trouble. He got kick in the head and landed on his feet and continue to fight toe to toe with Maul. Yeah, Maul had a great advantage.