Originally posted by Silent Master
No, those are facts based on the visual evidence.
Slow is an opinion. What's slow to you might not be slow to someone else. Like I said, in some scenes Batman was a lot faster than others.
Unskilled is actually a false statement since we know that Batman has some degree of skill.
Originally posted by h1a8
Slow is an opinion. What's slow to you might not be slow to someone else. Like I said, in some scenes Batman was a lot faster than others.Unskilled is actually a false statement since we know that Batman has some degree of skill.
If we compare like to like, IE best vs best. Cap is much faster and more skilled than Baleman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
If we compare like to like, IE best vs best. Cap is much faster and more skilled than Baleman.
I disagree. Cap isn't much faster. He might be slightly faster or slightly slower (it's really hard to say). I'm talking about Baleman at his fastest.
As far as skill, Baleman showed far more skill in Batman Begins than the other 2 films. I would say Cap may be slightly more skilled or it's a wash.
The thing about Cap is that it is harder to determine his skill due to him being enhanced (strength, speed, durability, etc).
I'm talking about h2h skill, not with weapons.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. Cap isn't much faster. He might be slightly faster or slightly slower (it's really hard to say). I'm talking about Baleman at his fastest.As far as skill, Baleman showed far more skill in Batman Begins than the other 2 films. I would say Cap may be slightly more skilled or it's a wash.
The thing about Cap is that it is harder to determine his skill due to him being enhanced (strength, speed, durability, etc).
I'm talking about h2h skill, not with weapons.
Of course you disagree, you're one of the most biased posters on this board. however, you disagreeing doesn't change the facts. Cap is visually faster and more skilled than Baleman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course you disagree, you're one of the most biased posters on this board. however, you disagreeing doesn't change the facts. Cap is visually faster and more skilled than Baleman.
Now you change to visually faster instead of much faster (best scenes). Cap may be faster comparing best for best. I didn't disagree to that, but he's not MUCH faster (best for best). Possibly more skillful too.
Originally posted by h1a8
Now you change to visually faster instead of much faster (best scenes). Cap may be faster comparing best for best. I didn't disagree to that, but he's not MUCH faster (best for best). Possibly more skillful too.
So, you going to have a fit because I left the word "much" out a post? wow, you really are desperate to get any sort of "win" aren't you?
Bottom line is; based on feats, Cap beats Baleman 10/10.
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Originally posted by Jmanghan
Cap curbstomps
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree.
Glad you've finally admitted it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you going to have a fit because I left the word "much" out a post? wow, you really are desperate to get any sort of "win" aren't you?Bottom line is; based on feats, Cap beats Baleman 10/10.
Edit:
Glad you've finally admitted it.
I agree that Cap beats Baleman. We are talking about Ozy here.
Is that H1 post editing I see? The guy who has openly labeled that kind of antic as trolling in the past? I am shocked. Absolutely shocked.
Anyway, as I have said in the past, the bullet catch is a legit reaction feat. Because whether you want to attribute it to anticipation, enhanced perceptions, or just insanely conditioned reflexes and muscle memory (which I think is actually most likely, given humans can apparently train themselves to superhuman levels by real world standards in that universe), he still had to physically turn his body and move his limb a notable amount of distance after the muzzle flash.
However, that also doesn't guarantee a win here. Cap has him in pretty much every other category, by feats. And those things matter. Stamina, endurance, strength. Blocking takes energy. Absorbing the impact from those blows (especially from a stronger opponent). Dodging takes energy. Just the movement. That's why if you're doing pad holding for someone practicing kicks and strikes, you yourself often start to work up a sweat after a while (well, unless the other person is a weakling). Never mind the fact an experienced opponent can counteract a speed advantage through strategy. A skilled fighter, for example, could throw a 5-move combo where the first 4 hits miss so that it creates an opening for the 5th, because they force their opponent to defend in such a way that their body position simply doesn't allow them to dodge or block the last hit. So, even under the premise that Ozy is faster, speed alone isn't a guarantee of winning. Especially as Steve himself does have a number of very good speed and reflex feats at this point, despite certain people's efforts to discredit them. The Captain just has too much going for him. Which is to be expected at this point. He has a ton of material to draw from relative to Ozy at this point.