Originally posted by operator616pc superman, mon el, and ultra-boy are all solidly in the trans teir and validus was treating all of them like they were weak feebs (not to mention all of the other LoSH members that attacked him).
Any reason why you think so? Because theres nothing Validus has done to suggest that. Odin alone is well above him.
Well, id like one person in this thread to give an actual valid reason as to why Validus takes on Odin, much less the whole team. Go ahead.
Originally posted by deathslash
pc superman, mon el, and ultra-boy are all solidly in the trans teir and validus was treating all of them like they were weak feebs (not to mention all of the other LoSH members that attacked him).
And that's supposed to somehow put him above Odin? Odin can handle SA Superboy, Mon-El and Ultra-Boy easily. Just an FYI
Funny you should mention that. Here's Superboy/Mon-el/Ultra-Boy KOing Validus in Superboy #231 though:
http://i.imgur.com/cefOwS8.jpg?1
Same comic Colossal Boy was doing fine against Validus. And he's not on Superboy's level.
And btw, that's the bronze age, in which Superboy/Superman were depowered. Superman was officially depowered in Superman #242 (along with multiple letter's pages establishing that). Superboy was unofficially depowered. Since if you read his comics, you'll notice there's a large gap between his SA and BA feats. And the BA has much more low showings. And Mon-el and Ultra-Boy were always on his level (Validus was actually stated to be 12 times stronger than SA Superboy, which is very impressive but....one's gotta consider all showings).
Inertron has contained Validus.
The Sun Eater (the one from Adventure Comics #353) who is below Odin's level, was stated to dwarf the Legion + Fatal Five (including Validus). And they had to amp themselves to actually face it.
Hell, Shadow Lass iirc managed to use pressure points on Validus in one of the early Legion v2 issues.
Saturn Girl managed to manipulate his psychic attacks (which is the only thing he has besides strength....not much to go against Odin)
Validus is also below Darkseid (and im not talking about the amped GDS version, im talking about regular; and regular Darkseid pre-crisis was not on Odin's level either)
So based on all of that, im supposed to believe that Validus is in any way comparable to Odin? Why would one think that Validus can solo a team of Gorr, Odin and WBH Hulk (who's the only one i can certainly say gets defeated by Validus) is beyond me.
The combination of speed and power that Validus displayed in dispatching trans tier/low Skyfather characters justifies the opinion.
Straight up of Odin engages Validus the way he did Mangog he gets savaged. In the context of the team battle, Validus easily solos Gorr and WBH.
There is a bit of hyperbole and humor but in the end...
Venne Vetti VALIDUS
Originally posted by deathslash
pc superman, mon el, and ultra-boy are all solidly in the trans teir and validus was treating all of them like they were weak feebs (not to mention all of the other LoSH members that attacked him).
When did Validus defy a time stop? How does he resist a mind that was able to battle Galactus' mind in a TP battle? What does he do when Odin amps up to levels beyond what he can handle, and then becomes a 1000ft tall giant that stomps the mess out of him? Odin solos.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The combination of speed and power that Validus displayed in dispatching trans tier/low Skyfather characters justifies the opinion.Straight up of Odin engages Validus the way he did Mangog he gets savaged. In the context of the team battle, Validus easily solos Gorr and WBH.
There is a bit of hyperbole and humor but in the end...
Venne Vetti VALIDUS
Validus has never won against skyfather beings. Ultra Boy, Mon-El and Superboy were Trans level in SA only. And even then, it was more like low trans or mid at best. Not sure how's that supposed to be comparable to Odin in any way though.
But yeah, let's look at how Validus compares to Skyfather characters shall we? 🙂
Sun Eater is not even Skyfather. It's a Trans-level character, who destroys galaxies by gradually destroying the stars (not instantly) and it was literally stated to be billions of times more powerful than the Legion + Fatal Five (including Validus):
http://i.imgur.com/1ni5jon.jpg?1
And as confirmed when they had to amp themselves to face it.
Darkseid, is another Trans-level character, and he created and can uncreate Validus easily. Darkseid creating Validus in LOSH v2 annual #3:
http://i.imgur.com/2rKay5g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t7YFUKS.jpg
Darkseid uncreating Validus easily in LOSH v3 annual #2
http://i.imgur.com/P0GOMyU.jpg
And please don't go around referencing GDS Darkseid, because that was an amped up version. Pre-
Btw, Odin has defeated Mangog on several occassions. Though he's different from Validus, since Odin can't cut him from his power source as he did Mangog. Doesn't change the fact that Odin can outright stomp him.
2 examples where Trans-level (or let's even say skyfather in Sun Eater's case) where Validus is easily shown to be far below them. So why should we presume that Validus isn't inferior to Odin? Especially when he has no showings to support the fact that he can take on someone like Odin?
Just because it's a "Pre-Crisis" character doesn't grant him the auto-win.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Validus is a better Mangog, why did Odin always flee from Mangog or needed help?
What makes you believe that Pre Crisis Val is more powerful than silver age Mangog in the first place? What if just one of his billion billion beings were as strong as the Thing alone? He'd be a pretty powerful guy right?
Originally posted by Stoic
What makes you believe that Pre Crisis Val is more powerful than silver age Mangog in the first place? What if just one of his billion billion beings were as strong as the Thing alone? He'd be a pretty powerful guy right?
Answering a question with a question?
Mangog is a brute. Val is a brute. Odin didn't use time stop or other means. Easy.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Answering a question with a question?Mangog is a brute. Val is a brute. Odin didn't use time stop or other means. Easy.
Just because he didn't use it doesn't mean that he can't. I fully agree that just because Pre Crisis mentioned doesn't mean auto win. Odin has so many powers that he would easily defeat any of the guys on team one.
Ok, first thing's first, I never said that I think validus can solo. Someone asked Reflash why he thought validus can solo and I answered the question for him. The next thing I know, half the people here are jump down my throat and trying to rip out my vocal cords for poluting the thread with such nonsense.
Originally posted by operator616
Validus has never won against skyfather beings. Ultra Boy, Mon-El and Superboy were Trans level in SA only. And even then, it was more like low trans or mid at best. Not sure how's that supposed to be comparable to Odin in any way though.But yeah, let's look at how Validus compares to Skyfather characters shall we? 🙂
Sun Eater is not even Skyfather. It's a Trans-level character, who destroys galaxies by gradually destroying the stars (not instantly) and it was literally stated to be [B]billions of times
more powerful than the Legion + Fatal Five (including Validus):http://i.imgur.com/1ni5jon.jpg?1
And as confirmed when they had to amp themselves to face it.
Darkseid, is another Trans-level character, and he created and can uncreate Validus easily. Darkseid creating Validus in LOSH v2 annual #3:
http://i.imgur.com/2rKay5g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t7YFUKS.jpgDarkseid uncreating Validus easily in LOSH v3 annual #2
http://i.imgur.com/P0GOMyU.jpg
And please don't go around referencing GDS Darkseid, because that was an amped up version. Pre-
Btw, Odin has defeated Mangog on several occassions. Though he's different from Validus, since Odin can't cut him from his power source as he did Mangog. Doesn't change the fact that Odin can outright stomp him.
2 examples where Trans-level (or let's even say skyfather in Sun Eater's case) where Validus is easily shown to be far below them. So why should we presume that Validus isn't inferior to Odin? Especially when he has no showings to support the fact that he can take on someone like Odin?
Just because it's a "Pre-Crisis" character doesn't grant him the auto-win. [/B]
If you use examples outside of PC that invalidates the parameters of the thread.
Given the DC side I would presume this is more akin to a physical battle rather than allowing Odin all of his abilities. Even if the skyfather can bring everything to bare, how are his battles with Mangog irrelevant?
Odin has the advantage given all his abilities but he is certaintly not dispatching of Validus with ease.
Looking at the battle it is Odin vs H/P Doomsday, Grundy and Validus.
