Originally posted by carver9
Operator is in here destroying. He is literally one of the only individuals on this site that I take the time to read his long posts. Keep it going operator. By the way, team 2 stomps.
BAH!
The Operator has failed to answer my challenge.
You have lowered yourself with this posting. In fact, you've gone from a Carver state to a PRE- Carver state.
I would tell you to get Carver Prime but I doubt you can rise to that level anymore!
Originally posted by operator616Yeah, I've actually posted the scans of Mangog ripping him apart easily before, but I don't think I've ever seen scans of Orikal's power on the forums, so...
Yeah, 😂 Hilarious stuff.Let's also not forget that Mangog forcibly ripped the chalice from Orikal in thor v2. And that was the same Orikal who was shown to be superior to Odin in Thor #138-139 (His power literally allowed the trolls to nullify Odin's power, draining his sceptre, nullified his enchantment on the hammer, etc..). And even before that story Odin had feats like drawing the electro magnetic particles of all the universe (in JiM #99), and was shown to be superior to Surtur who was stated to be a galaxy buster (in JiM #104).
Along with Mangog a greater threat than Ego supposedly.
So im not even sure what's the problem with Mangog giving Odin any sort of trouble.
I mean, Odin does have low showings; but referencing Mangog as a low showing? ....
Overpowers Mjolnir's enchantment:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor138-13.jpg
Rocks Odin:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor138-17.jpg
Odin grows weary from said battle:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor139-05.jpg
Drains his sceptre:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor139-06.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor139-07.jpg
Creates a duplicate Mjolnir:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor139-08.jpg
Though I think your description is underselling it. Mangog shreds Orikal like a tin can.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_vol2-522-020-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_vol2-522-020-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor_vol2-522-020-22.jpg
But Mangog is a huge pussy because... ________ and Odin losing to him (and winning also) is a big black mark on Odin's history. Also Pre Crisis.
It's not conclusive or anything but I always thought this scene gave a good idea of where Mangog was intended to be power wise when Thor considers who could be capable of what Infinity is doing (Loki too, but whatever, he uses less direct methods):
Originally posted by h1a8
Mangog is weaker because he is shown to be. Thor takes many blows without being koed, hit's Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thor, etc. Comics>>>>>>>>>>>opinions.
Mangog has no feats to show that he has uber strength (beyond 2x that of Thor), not one. There is no lowballing going on when I will accept his highest strength feat as the basis of his strength in a forum match. So that's that.Odin tearing a universe in half? Scans.
Yeah, that Thor guy is a real weakling, never capable of going above and beyond. Especially under Lee/Kirby.
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Too much Odin wanking here. First thing first, I'm not saying Validus wins against Odin. In a physical confrontation though? He would beat the shit out of Mangog and Odin together.
Originally posted by operator616WTF kind of logic is that? Mangog hasn't even destroyed a planet let alone stated to be able to destroy galaxies. He isn't even 10 times as strong as Thor going by their showings and you're wanking the shit out of him like he's an abstarct or something. Yet being billions of times stronger than entire LOSH and fatal Five means Sun eater is just trans? But I like how you consider being stronger than LOSH and Fatal Five means you're just trans. A billion times stronger than post-crisis Superman would make you nigh-abstract, let alone pre-crisis Superboy. Just look at H/P Doomsday. But since Thor was stated to be stronger than Odin and actually overpowered him in strength in Thor 291, I'd reconsider that. Just recently Odin pounded on him in Fear Itself and Thor wasn't even KOED. But we would forget that and pretend that Odin is somehow billions of times stronger than PC Superboy. Hilarious.
Validus has never won against skyfather beings. Ultra Boy, Mon-El and Superboy were Trans level in SA only. And even then, it was more like low trans or mid at best. Not sure how's that supposed to be comparable to Odin in any way though.But yeah, let's look at how Validus compares to Skyfather characters shall we? 🙂
Sun Eater is not even Skyfather. It's a Trans-level character, who destroys galaxies by gradually destroying the stars (not instantly) and it was literally stated to be [B]billions of times
more powerful than the Legion + Fatal Five (including Validus):
And as confirmed when they had to amp themselves to face it.Taking a cue from yourself, here is Darkseid compared to Time-Trapper and Infinite Man.Darkseid, is another Trans-level character, and he created and can uncreate Validus easily. Darkseid creating Validus in LOSH v2 annual #3:
http://i.imgur.com/2rKay5g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t7YFUKS.jpgDarkseid uncreating Validus easily in LOSH v3 annual #2
http://i.imgur.com/P0GOMyU.jpg
And please don't go around referencing GDS Darkseid, because that was an amped up version.
http://i.imgur.com/kBrv0P4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yCFz4yb.jpg
So, everyone in DC is trans according to you?
Btw, Odin has defeated Mangog on several occassions. Though he's different from Validus, since Odin can't cut him from his power source as he did Mangog. Doesn't change the fact that Odin can outright stomp him.That's why Mangog oneshotted him?
2 examples where Trans-level (or let's even say skyfather in Sun Eater's case) where Validus is easily shown to be far below them. So why should we presume that Validus isn't inferior to Odin? Especially when he has no showings to support the fact that he can take on someone like Odin?If someone like Mangog can do that? Why not?
Just because it's a "Pre-Crisis" character doesn't grant him the auto-win. [/B]It doesn't makes lowballing them excusable too.
Originally posted by operator616How is being billions of times more powerful than LOSH+Fatal Five is supposed to be below Odin level? Odin isn't that much powerful comapred to Thor, let alone the entire LOSH combined. If you think he is, I'd like to see the scene where he is stated to be above Thor by that margin. Or do you think Thor is comparable to Validus now?
That doesn't mean he can't overpower Validus. Sun Eater is below Odin, and he's billions of times more powerful than Validus apparently. Same goes to Darkseid. And the fact that Validus has nowhere near the feats to compete with Odin.
Why would Odin use a time stop when he can cut him from his power source instantly?Because he can't do that as Validus isn't his creation?
Though you ignored the part where Mangog was > Ego (who was at Galactus' level back then). Can't see why.And Thor defeated Ego in Thor 131. So Thor>Ego>Galactus and then Galactus almost killed Thor so Galactus>Thor>Ego. C'mon man.
Not to mention he ripped the chalice from Orikal in Thor v2. Same Orilak, who previously in Thor #138-139, was shown to be superior to Odin.And again got killed by Thor. So Thor>Orikal>Odin. Makes perfect sense.
😂 So let's consider this ridiculously high end feat of Superboy's, and pass it off as his average, right?And here is Odin, Zeus and Vishnu combined attacking with the force which can reel a planet out of its orbit.Ok. Let's look at other showings though.
Here's Superman using all his strength to move a single planet in Superman v1 #66 (which was the pre-crisis time period where his feats started to manifest, and obviously he's equal to SA Superboy since he's the same being):
http://i.imgur.com/nmtyEKi.jpg?1
"with all the power of his being..."
Here's the same thing happening in Superman v1 #72.
http://i.imgur.com/SQaXZ2q.jpg
"using his muscles to the utmost"
Same thing in Superman v1 #220:
http://i.imgur.com/vOP1Crg.jpg
He was continuously pushing against the Earth with all his strength.
And all those scans are pre-depowerment.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/13573/1935600-celestials_odin_zeus_vishnu_2_super.jpg
Add eternity using every bit of its power to destroy a planet/LT's most powerful attack being a supernova/above supernova attacks from Celestials turning Destroyer into slag. I wonder where Odin's galaxy busting went against Celestials?
That's enough for this part. So you really think pulling a galaxy worth of planets is some sort of average showing?No, its not. This is his average against marvel top tiers is.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111327/3460713-3326147-nuff%2Bsaid.jpg
Superman wasn't even moved by a Hulk who was growing geometrically stronger by the second (2x stronger by every second). Compare how Mangog fared against Thor who at best is equal to average savage Hulk.
Unto the 2nd part though. Superboy's title where he moved those planets. Let's see the other side of showings.I don't know what's your point? That everyone has got low points? Should I start mentioning Odin's low points?Same Superboy couldn't penetrate a random ship protected by a forcefield though (in Superboy #167).
Same Superboy who got owned by Persuader (who's a high herald, low trans if you want to stretch it) in Superboy #198
Same Superboy who got owned by a goddamn fish monster in Superboy #202
Same Superboy who was inferior to Mighto in strength (who iirc needed some sort of chemical device to blow up the Earth).
Same Superboy who gets overpowered by Ultra-Boy in #205.
Same Superboy who gets owned by Star Boy merged with a phantom in #215.
Etc...
Btw, Superboy is also susceptible to anyone who can mentally control matter (Mind over Matter). Jonathan disguised as Mental emperor was completely immune to his powers in Superboy #111.And that's relevant how?
Anyway, now that we've established the PC character's average.Have we?
You also ignored this part though:By a surprise attack. A surprise attack from Superboy, Mon-El and Ultra-Boy would KTFO Odin too.--------------------------------------
Here's Superboy/Mon-el/Ultra-Boy KOing Validus in Superboy #231 though:
Same comic Colossal Boy was doing fine against Validus. And he's not on Superboy's level.Thor overpowered Odin in Thor 291. So?
--------------------------------------Odin and Surtur were killed by Odin's suicide atatck which didn't even destroy the city they were in. So?As for Mon-El and Ultra-Boy (the two other legionnaires who are on Superboy's level, although Ultra-Boy has a disadvantage that he can only use one power at a time), they get KOed by a negasphere that was going to destroy the Earth alone in Superboy #244:
http://i.imgur.com/CbkPSJZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fr0T7sl.jpg
So you'll have to forgive me when Validus handling Mon-El, Validus, and Superboy, one at a time is not on Odin's level.In physical power? He is above Odin who at one point was stated to be weaker than Thor.
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"As simple as that". Your reasoning is pretty convincing.So, highfather is universal level in power and base Darkseid has been stated to be his equal? Good to know. Why is that when Odin does a feat and Mangog is considered to be uber but when Highfather does a feat, it makes Darkseid weaker?PC Darkseid is above Odin though? And what possible showings does he have that puts him anywhere near Odin? BFRing Infinity Man (a trans level character) and sealing him in another dimension? Because that's the best feat Darkseid has pre crisis wise.
Talk about telepathy though. Let's see a direct comparison between them. The whole point of New Gods v1 (at least the first part of it) and Forever People v1 was Darkseid coming to Earth to seek the ALE from the minds of Earth's people (same story was featured in post-crisis comics too btw). Which he did after great effort (and not through mindraping everyone, he actually used machines to do that, to extract the ALE) Odin on the other hand, has literally mindraped all of the people on Earth instantly. Multiple times at that. Here's one example from JIM #104:
http://i.imgur.com/zZV1EDS.jpg
PC Darkseid with the full power of the ALE (which was confirmed to grant him universal level power) was literally defeated by an extremely weakened Highfather (who was near powerless since he was cut from the source in New Gods v1 #19) and Orion then rebounded only to get vaporized by Dessad's cannon. in Adventure Comics #460
http://i.imgur.com/3l8qRbG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CUJrvjW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ARjVYt5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DcsQfnM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bfft3dH.jpg
He then resurfaced in a JLA arc, and got owned pretty badly by Firestorm.By rebounding his own power. That happens all the time.
Id have to recheck the Hunger Dogs, but from what i remember Darkseid was implied not to be able to survive planetary destruction in that comic.Able to take on entire LOSH and winning? Compared to time trapper and Infinite Man?With that saide...Hmm....do you see any advantage which PC Darkseid has over Odin? Because i sure don't.
It's your turn now to make an argument why PC Darkseid is superior to Odin.He isn't. He is in the same league though.
Yeah. By ignoring what Mangog was supposed to represent, and by applying the highest of high showings to superboy (and applying them to Ultra-Boy and Mon-el in turn) then saying those are the same beings who've been handled by Validus. Even though the exact same opposite happened as well.Just like using odin as an example to how uber Mangog is when mangog has conceded that he's no odin?
And ignoring the fact that those 3 never operated on this level on average. Especially Ultra-Boy.And I've seen no reason to believe Validus wouldn't pound Odin into paste if its goes into h2h. Because mangog, orikal and universe buster!!!! LOLZ!I explained all this in detail but this is the summary of it.
And you've given literally no reason at all why Darkseid is superior than Odin other than you simply think so. Evidence shows otherwise though.
Originally posted by kgkg
Why are we assuming this is H2H?
It is the scenario that makes the fight the most interesting.
The other point is that Odin is the only one who can essentially attack without any physical confrontation whatsoever. The other combatants would be in a hand to hand struggle.
Gorr's Necroblade against Grundy and Doomsday provides room for some interesting arguments.
Grundy is already dead so what can the Necroblade do to him?
When Amazo battled Grundy the death within Gold started to corrupt Amazo's body.
H/P Doomsday should tank the Blade given his performance.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeHe never evolved past physical damage. He was hurt the entire arc. They wanted to stop the resurrection of him and the process which is why they took him to the end of time.
Physically Odin is inferior to all here.HP DD would stomp Odin (he evolved past physical damage, chronal energies and even the omega effect and psi)
Val would rip WBH apart like a doll
Grundy vs Gorr would be interesting but this won't be enough
I disagree with everything else you've said here but you haven't supported it just made baseless claims.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThe blade and weapon that was able to seriously harm Galactus and defeat him?
It is the scenario that makes the fight the most interesting.The other point is that Odin is the only one who can essentially attack without any physical confrontation whatsoever. The other combatants would be in a hand to hand struggle.
Gorr's Necroblade against Grundy and Doomsday provides room for some interesting arguments.
Grundy is already dead so what can the Necroblade do to him?
When Amazo battled Grundy the death within Gold started to corrupt Amazo's body.
H/P Doomsday should tank the Blade given his performance.
I think the Necroblade is a dangerous item in this fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
The blade and weapon that was able to seriously harm Galactus and defeat him?I think the Necroblade is a dangerous item in this fight.
His argument on Grundy vs the Necroblade is because Grundy is already dead. I haven't read the comics, but based on what LoB posted, I would think the Necroblade only worked on the living. Is he correct? If so, I can't see it doing much to Grundy.
And for the record, Colossal Boy didn't do "just fine" like operator is saying. He had a few times where he looked good in largely separate instances, but arguably from sneak attack. His first attack you could argue staggered Validus, but then immediately got his ass kicked while the narration talked about how he wasn't a match for Validus. If anything it's the fact that Colossal Boy was still conscious is the lowball for Validus.
Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF kind of logic is that? Mangog hasn't even destroyed a planet let alone stated to be able to destroy galaxies. He isn't even 10 times as strong as Thor going by their showings and you're wanking the shit out of him like he's an abstarct or something. Yet being [b]billions of times stronger than entire LOSH and fatal Five means Sun eater is just trans? But I like how you consider being stronger than LOSH and Fatal Five means you're just trans. A billion times stronger than post-crisis Superman would make you nigh-abstract, let alone pre-crisis Superboy. Just look at H/P Doomsday. But since Thor was stated to be stronger than Odin and actually overpowered him in strength in Thor 291, I'd reconsider that. Just recently Odin pounded on him in Fear Itself and Thor wasn't even KOED. But we would forget that and pretend that Odin is somehow billions of times stronger than PC Superboy. Hilarious.
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Uh, you're right. Being billions of times stronger than them and being trans doesn't make sense. Which is why im not asking you to take that statement literally. But its implication is quite clear. Sun Eater dwarfs them, which is why they had to amp themselves. Perhaps it's not "billions" of times more powerful than them, but well above them for sure.
And i even said that Sun Eater could be regarded as skyfather level depending on the way you look at it. Either way though, Sun Eater is not on Odin's level (high skyfather) and still well above Validus.
And yeah, Thor giving Odin a fight is a low showing for Odin, which is also weird. Since Odin was willing to kill Thor yet Thor was holding his own for a while, despite the fact that before that story Odin has outright depowered Thor instantly from Asgard (while Thor was on Earth). He's depowered Thor in JiM #101, JiM #113, Thor #145 previously, so he could've done the same thing instead of fighting and then kill Thor (which he eventually did not of course, but that's besides the point).
Originally posted by abhilegend
Taking a cue from yourself, here is Darkseid compared to Time-Trapper and Infinite Man.http://i.imgur.com/kBrv0P4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yCFz4yb.jpgSo, everyone in DC is trans according to you?
Scan #1: White witch saying "Not since Darkseid have i seen so much power" is a reference to GDS, where Darkseid was amped.
Scan #2: In the Legion continuity Darkseid is best known for GDS (where he was amped), and that's what made him so dangerous a foe. So the bio saying "he's a foe in Darkseid's class" is true as far as threat level goes. Because in GDS, Darkseid amped himself to a point where he could become a TT level foe (not to mention that's a 1988 bio and TT later had more feats)
There's a similar statement in an '87 bio; which also states that he's a peer of Darkseid, but goes on to say that his personal abilities are not known:
http://i.imgur.com/o2LLkVG.jpg?1
So they're referring to his threat level given that they don't know the extent of his personal power. After all, in his very first appearances TT looked like a weakling, and used tech to battle the Legionnaires. And Darkseid was such a high level threat only because he amped himself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why Mangog oneshotted him?
And Odin defeated Mangog as well. In the same arc no less, and while he possessed the Odinsword.
Originally posted by abhilegend
If someone like Mangog can do that? Why not?
Because Validus is no Mangog.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It doesn't makes lowballing them excusable too.
Lowballing? 😂
So pointing out that Validus was confirmed to be below 2 trans level characters (or skyfather in Sun Eater's case, it's debatable imo) is lowballing?
And pointing out that pulling a galaxy worth of planets is not Superboy's average is lowballing too?
But i guess just because im arguing against the DC side, i must be lowballing them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is being billions of times more powerful than LOSH+Fatal Five is supposed to be below Odin level? Odin isn't that much powerful comapred to Thor, let alone the entire LOSH combined. If you think he is, I'd like to see the scene where he is stated to be above Thor by that margin. Or do you think Thor is comparable to Validus now?
Already addressed. Let's not repeat ourselves in various quotes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he can't do that as Validus isn't his creation?
You'll notice that I was referring to Mangog when i said that. Prof. T.C McAbe was asking why would Odin not use time stop, i said that why would he need to do that given that he can cut him from his power source.
Well that, and he rarely uses that power. Because the same can be said for Thor, who can also stop time in a limited area, and he could do that in the Mangog time period. Thor froze Odin once in Thor #198 so that Hela couldn't claim him, and also froze a limited area in JiM #110. (Mjolnir's time capabilities were later drained though).
Prof. T.C McAbe apparently thought that given that Odin didn't use time stop on Mangog, he can't use it on Validus. Which he can, but wouldn't need to.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Thor defeated Ego in Thor 131. So Thor>Ego>Galactus and then Galactus almost killed Thor so Galactus>Thor>Ego. C'mon man.And again got killed by Thor. So Thor>Orikal>Odin. Makes perfect sense.
133 you mean.
And it's not like Thor was facing Ego face to (world-big) face. He was inside him, and Ego was fighting him with some anti bodies, then Thor freed himself from Ego, he did some damage, but nothing permanent.
Well he actually didn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And here is Odin, Zeus and Vishnu combined attacking with the force which can reel a planet out of its orbit.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/13573/1935600-celestials_odin_zeus_vishnu_2_super.jpg
Add eternity using every bit of its power to destroy a planet/LT's most powerful attack being a supernova/above supernova attacks from Celestials turning Destroyer into slag. I wonder where Odin's galaxy busting went against Celestials?
Those are different scenarios from the ones concerning Superman.
Regardless of its capability of causing collateral damage, the key is in the power of the blast itself. For example, PR Owen blasted Beyonder with a multiverse-busting attack and it didn't even destroy the building they were in.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, its not. This is his average against marvel top tiers is.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111111327/3460713-3326147-nuff%2Bsaid.jpg
Superman wasn't even moved by a Hulk who was growing geometrically stronger by the second (2x stronger by every second). Compare how Mangog fared against Thor who at best is equal to average savage Hulk.
Well actually i never argued Thor > PC Superman/Superboy. In fact i believe it's the opposite. But that doesn't mean we have to blow PC characters out of proportion like Prof. is doing.
And if this is your way of saying that Mangog sucked then i already gave 2 reasons apart from Mangog handling Odin, with which we can gauge his power. And it makes sense to be comparable to Odin. It's also been stated on panel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know what's your point? That everyone has got low points? Should I start mentioning Odin's low points?
You would understand the point if you followed the discussion instead of jumping blindly to defend Superboy.
Prof. T.C McAbe was using the Superboy #140 feat as some sort of an average feat for Superboy, and then applying it to Mon-el and Ultra-boy as well.
By mentioning those showings from the same title where Superboy performed this uber feat, i was explaining to him that it's definitely not his average .
Simple.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By a surprise attack. A surprise attack from Superboy, Mon-El and Ultra-Boy would KTFO Odin too.Thor overpowered Odin in Thor 291. So?
A one-shot surprise attack.
And no, it won't KO Odin too.
Already addressed the overpowering part earlier.
Originally posted by abhilegend
In physical power? He is above Odin who at one point was stated to be weaker than Thor.
I was never arguing about physical power in particular. Though i can also make an argument about it since Odin can easily alter his size to a point where he dwarfs planets.
Yeah, like JiM #94, one of Odin's very first appearances.
In any case, i never said that Odin is without low showings. When we consider average showings of Odin and Validus, Odin's is clearly far better.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, highfather is universal level in power and base Darkseid has been stated to be his equal? Good to know. Why is that when Odin does a feat and Mangog is considered to be uber but when Highfather does a feat, it makes Darkseid weaker?
Dude, are you paying attention or not? Even if Highfather was universal level in power (which he most definitely isn't), he was near powerless in that instance.
Let's start with Highfather being universal in power. Where are you getting that exactly? Because his best feat was in New Gods #14, where he one-shotted the individuals through which Beldam manifested. And one of those individuals was easily handling Orion. Highfather one-shotted them all while he was in New Genesis, which at that same time period (in Mr Miracle v1 #19, 21) was confirmed to be beyond all time and space.
this is impressive, but not universal level. He's a Trans-level character, just like Darkseid.
Unto being weakened though. Given that it's the 3rd time this is getting ignored, i might as well post scans to confirm this.
The Adventure Comics #459-460 story was a continuation from where New Gods #19 left off. And Highfather was near powerless in that instance. Read what he says in NG #18:
http://i.imgur.com/i2R4zUj.jpg?1
That's the Highfather whom Darkseid faced.
Originally posted by abhilegend
By rebounding his own power. That happens all the time.Able to take on entire LOSH and winning? Compared to time trapper and Infinite Man?
He isn't. He is in the same league though.
Not sure how's that relevant. It happened, period.
Darkseid wasn't taking on the entire LOSH and winning. Not to mention that GDS was an amped Darkseid.
Already addressed this part. Darkseid was compared to them on the basis of being a threat on their level. And he achieved that through amping.
No, Neither Pre nor Post crisis Darkseid is in the same league as Odin.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And I've seen no reason to believe Validus wouldn't pound Odin into paste if its goes into h2h. Because mangog, orikal and universe buster!!!! LOLZ!
That's good, although irrelevant since the fight is not limited to h2h. And even if it is, one could just as easily argue in Odin's favor.
Originally posted by Delta1938
And for the record, Colossal Boy didn't do "just fine" like operator is saying. He had a few times where he looked good in largely separate instances, but arguably from sneak attack. His first attack you could argue staggered Validus, but then immediately got his ass kicked while the narration talked about how he wasn't a match for Validus. If anything it's the fact that Colossal Boy was still conscious is the lowball for Validus.
He attacked and staggered Validus, then Validus punched him and kicked him twice, after which he stood and punched Validus yet again and survived a psychic assault from his as well.
That's what doing fine against Validus means for someone like Colossal Boy. He did better than what Mon-el or Superboy did in other instances.
Originally posted by operator616
He attacked and staggered Validus, then Validus punched him and kicked him twice, after which he stood and punched Validus yet again and survived a psychic assault from his as well.That's what doing fine against Validus means for someone like Colossal Boy. He did better than what Mon-el or Superboy did in other instances.
I don't see "effecting with sucker punches/while Validus was distracted" and enduring a beating as "doing fine." I can't really say for sure he sneak attacked Validus(or Validus was distracted) the third time, but since he couldn't do anything when we know Validus was aware of him, I feel like it's consistent with what was shown before that CB caught Validus unaware.
As for the mental assault, I don't know how powerful Validus' mental blasts are supposed to be, but for what it's worth he also appears to be getting attacked by Saturn Girl at the same time he's blasting Colossal Boy. CB was also down from the assault until the Fatal Five left.
