H/P Doomsday, Pre-Crisis Solomon Grundy, & Pre-Crisis Validus vs Gorr, WBH, & Odin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Dude, the scan you (I) posted is Odin retelling the ORIGIN of the nine worlds BUT there is more to the World Tree...that even Asgard had not fully explored. The ENTIRE point of the arc revolved around this. The scientist was telling Asgard something they didn't know....Volstagg and Thor almost strangled him over blasphemy....

Except Odin, he knew about the Dark Gods and the extent of everything but kept it secret IIRC.

I can't even believe I'm having this conversation, it was said clear cut like 4 times and was a major plot point.

I know you're autistic but try and understand the concept of time. How a previously established belief can be revealed to be untrue with further elaboration as a story continues.

Fraction answered that for you.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol.

Abhi getting all Skurge here. 'I'll take you all on!!!!!'

Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn right, operator and cheerleaders.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yip yip yip.

What does that make you lol. Quans on ignore. I've also extended invites to you, and you've been challenging others to BZs....

One down one to go.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well you certainly have your cheerleaders. Not that it's any reflection on you; scavengers will always follow a predator in the hopes of getting scraps they're too cowardly/weak to take themselves.

Not going to get into the Validus amd Odin debate (Looks Like Operator already has it covered.

But PC Grundy vs WBH should be a thing of beauty. I mean Pc geindy absorbs energy amd was powered up by a toxic radio-active waste beimg dumped in his swamp to the point he could Stomp Alan Scot PC Fate and Hourman (not that PC rex is a huge issue. His only really good showings PC was vs Baron Blitzctieg. Just not sure on who would

Originally posted by abhilegend
It has been firmly established as a pocket reality. Mind showing me its designated universe number if it's a full universe?

And? You do realize this doesn't contradict anything right? While pocket dimensions are, in general limited in size, they can be infinite if they are established to be so on panel. The runestaff pocket dimension was established to be infinite:

https://imgur.com/YVuqcFI

And Nightmare's pocket dimension was explicitly stated to be as vast and as complex as the regular 616 universe:

https://imgur.com/9fyHgYJ

And likewise, the Asgard dimension was established as such:

https://imgur.com/lowBJ6K

So you whining about it being a "pocket reality" doesn't mean squat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Validus opens Odin's throat forcefully and shits down his throat.

Combat feat wise Odin has nothing compared to Validus. He runs away against Mangog FFS.

Combat wise? What has Validus done, smacked a few superman level feebs? I know you and the others had a tendency to wank PC superman as galaxy level based on a few showings but how is that different from scaling off every being who defeated thor based on his godbomb or life bomb feats? Yes, Validus was considerably more powerful than superman/superboy, but PC superboy's/superman's average is far below that, with him using his full power to move a single planet (happened several times), or getting owned by a random fish monster, or getting owned by the persuader, or being inferior to mighto, or etc... i could go on but you get the idea.

Odin's combat showings are much, much superior and you know it. In fact, you yourself have admitted that Validus loses to Odin in this very thread 4 years ago, what has changed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, until Odin flat out says that World Tree has nine worlds only and shows nine world attached to it.

Wrong again. World tree exists on every plane of existence (plane of existence = universe in this arc, they were used interchangeably):

https://imgur.com/UOaxbqs

That's how seth intended to destroy all life across the multiverse:

https://imgur.com/taqQtqf

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

I'm not as childish as you are. So no, I enjoyed Infinity War. I also enjoyed Thanos wiping out entire Asgard, Thor crying and once again unable to beat the villain fully.

Thor is probably the only hero who let's other do his work for him since last three movies. Loki was defeated by Hulk, Kurse was defeated by Loki, Malekith by Jane Foster 😂, Ultron by Vision and Hela by Surtur.

Don't deny it now. The IW buzz is so strong in India that i bet your girlfriend is wearing a Thor t-shirt right now. I can only imagine how traumatic that must've been for you to experience.

Now i know why you couldn't comprehend a metaphor that is obvious even to 6th graders a few pages back. You're suffering from PTSD my friend.

Just know that we're all here for you if you wanna talk about it. 🙂

Originally posted by beatboks
Not going to get into the Validus amd Odin debate (Looks Like Operator already has it covered.

But PC Grundy vs WBH should be a thing of beauty. I mean Pc geindy absorbs energy amd was powered up by a toxic radio-active waste beimg dumped in his swamp to the point he could Stomp Alan Scot PC Fate and Hourman (not that PC rex is a huge issue. His only really good showings PC was vs Baron Blitzctieg. Just not sure on who would

It won't get to that. Odin either stomps him or bfr's him right from the start (Alan/Hal have bfr'd PC grundy more than once).

Also, he was quite inconsistent and Barry's punches at super speed have stunned him as well iirc (although flash's punches can be powerful at times, they have failed to hurt regular thugs in other showings, either way it didn't look good for grundy).

Well, they're thugs. Heroes ramping it way down on thugs is a common trope.

I mean, Val Armorr and Spidey can rip a thug in half with a finger. They've both failed to one shot KO thugs..

Batmans failed to KO thugs. Doesn't mean he can't level one the same way he kicks out a tree.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, they're thugs. Heroes ramping it way down on thugs is a common trope.

I mean, Val Armorr and Spidey can rip a thug in half with a finger. They've both failed to one shot KO thugs..

Batmans failed to KO thugs. Doesn't mean he can't level one the same way he kicks out a tree.

Except it wasn't a one-shot, there was a time when PC Barry literally smacked dozens of super-speed punches at thugs with no effect.

And that's beside the point anway (not to mention val is an exception as well, the guy has destroyed inertron and smacked around superboy ffs). Grundy is one huge mess in terms of consistency. I remember a post-Crisis issue where Alan couldn't hurt grundy yet wilcat KO'd him right after. Grundy solos the JSA including Alan and power girl yet gets KO'd by sand with a low level earthquake. PC Grundy smacks around Superman, yet gets hurt by flash's punches who in turn breaks his hand when he punched superman a few issues later. Hawkman has hurt PC Grundy as well iirc. What do you call that? Inconsistency is what it is.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Jeez. So emotional.

There are fundamentally differentways between us ganging up on carver and us ganging up on Abhi.

This is how it usually goes.

Carver: Hulk wins.
Poster A: *attacks Carver*
Poster B: *attacks carver*
Poster C: attacks Carver*

Etc.

With Abhi?
Abhi: Superman wins
Poster A: *attacks Abhi
Poster B: lolololol
Poster C: great points A! You're owning him!

Etc.

When people gang up on carver, to use Brans style of writing, it's like a gang rape. We all take turns, sometimes all at once.

When people gang up on Abhi, one guys does the raping, and the others stand back, wanking all over the rapist. Because they're too afraid of getting their dicks chewed off.

I mean, I join in too. This is more an average thing rather than a clear cut thing.

Originally posted by operator616
Except it wasn't a one-shot, there was a time when PC Barry literally smacked dozens of super-speed punches at thugs with no effect.

And that's beside the point anway (not to mention val is an exception as well, the guy has destroyed inertron and smacked around superboy ffs). Grundy is one huge mess in terms of consistency. I remember a post-Crisis issue where Alan couldn't hurt grundy yet wilcat KO'd him right after. Grundy solos the JSA including Alan and power girl yet gets KO'd by sand with a low level earthquake. PC Grundy smacks around Superman, yet gets hurt by flash's punches who in turn breaks his hand when he punched superman a few issues later. Hawkman has hurt PC Grundy as well iirc. What do you call that? Inconsistency is what it is.

Oh, no question. Very inconsistent.

That's comics for you. Remember when Spidey needed to use webbed boxing gloves?

Not to use Val again, but one moment that always stuck out for me was in his solo series, when he hurt himself hitting crab people.

This is a single issue after he was kicking Superboy through trees, actually defeated him, and solo's a good chunk of the legion. No way he should hurt himself on some crab people shell.

And this is the same series, and the same writer, only an issue apart.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There are fundamentally differentways between us ganging up on carver and us ganging up on Abhi.

When people gang up on carver, to use Brans style of writing, it's like a gang rape. We all take turns, sometimes all at once.

When people gang up on Abhi, one guys does the raping, and the others stand back, wanking all over the rapist. Because they're too afraid of getting their dicks chewed off.

👆. Let's hug it out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There are fundamentally differentways between us ganging up on carver and us ganging up on Abhi.

This is how it usually goes.

Carver: Hulk wins.
Poster A: *attacks Carver*
Poster B: *attacks carver*
Poster C: attacks Carver*

Etc.

With Abhi?
Abhi: Superman wins
Poster A: *attacks Abhi
Poster B: lolololol
Poster C: great points A! You're owning him!

Etc.

When people gang up on carver, to use Brans style of writing, it's like a gang rape. We all take turns, sometimes all at once.

When people gang up on Abhi, one guys does the raping, and the others stand back, wanking all over the rapist. Because they're too afraid of getting their dicks chewed off.

I mean, I join in too. This is more an average thing rather than a clear cut thing.

This is so true

You can actually go to certain threads and screenshot this. I think it’s mostly because it comes to who argues with Abhi and Carver

With Abhi it’s mostly Carver, Quan, and RW who act like like cheerleaders for the guy debating with Abhi
When it comes to Carver, the people who respond to him tend to have more knowledge and they all respond to Carvers

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆. Let's hug it out.

Shhhh.

Just stand there, resist, or lean into it.

It's all the same to me.

Wuzzat in ure pocket?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Exactly, hence Surtur being cut off from other realities by Manchester gods via otherworld and only getting access to nine realms via Yggdrasil.

Fraction answered that for you.

I'm not sure how to reply to this because it's as if you quoted the wrong poster.

You said Odin said there are only Nine Worlds. And there were, in the creation story (Scans below), BUT it was also revealed that the World Tree, is the center of an infinite number of fully developed Universes, other than the Nine Worlds, which are fully developed Universes themselves (Scans below). As stated on panel, multiple times:

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I can't believe Abhilegend called it the scientists "theory". Here the scientist describes the Nine Worlds "theory" that he also mentions he has the "science to support":
https://s31.postimg.cc/6m2x2l65n/RCO0031.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/tnji8cdiz/RCO0041.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/rvqjdf70r/RCO0051.jpg

This "theory" was the main plot of his first story-line, and the explanation for the new Dark Gods:
https://s31.postimg.cc/aig8yleaj/RCO008.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/44r5vare3/RCO009.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/m7k8miuyj/RCO010.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/3rzrp4w9n/RCO011.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/9sxgm8617/RCO012.jpg

https://s31.postimg.cc/814hrc23v/RCO0111.jpg

Btw, that right above is an awesome feat you should note Operator616. Odin's dark counterpart, through sheer will kept his Universe's entropic death at bay, and willed it's destruction.

I also mentioned Bor and his sons being older than this Universe, which was first mentioned here:
https://s31.postimg.cc/pr66cbaiz/RCO003.jpg
https://s31.postimg.cc/sl9bprkez/RCO004.jpg

Odin at his high-end, is so far beyond Doomsday and all these clowns, it's not even a fight.

As an aside, Enchantress just attacking the World Tree was destroying all of creation. Loki even says thousands of realities were smashing against each other and it is confirmed that the World Tree is at the center of the Universe:

These things are NOT mutually exclusive. The Asgardian mythos of the World Tree is that it is home to the Nine Worlds, and the center of the 616 Universe BUT also home to a near-infinite number of realities.