Sentry vs Starbrand

Originally posted by carver9
He took on the most powerful team in comics right now and held his own while tanking their attacks. It took Hulk dive bombing him from space to stop him. He dropped Hyperion tanked Thor attacks while defending himself with a powerful blast. Sentry even though he is extremely powerful isn't taking on a team of that caliber...and this happened during the time when he knew 0 about his power. After that he became more fluent with all of his abilities. Sentry will give him a fight but he will lose.

Even in his initial appearance the Avengers were holding back because he was a kid. Did you notice toward the end, when they got serious, they had him dead to rights and he gave up. In their later confrontation, he even needed Nightmask's help and they STILL lost (he admits this to Nightmask).

Originally posted by zopzop
You're aware that when characters are first introduced they have a "good" showing then it mostly tappers off. Since then, what's he done? Nothing. The 'noob' excuse don't work anymore. It's been a year and he's had extensive training on the use of his powers by Nightmask.

Even in his initial appearance the Avengers were holding back because he was a kid. Did you notice toward the end, when they got serious, they had him dead to rights and he gave up. In their later confrontation, he even needed Nightmask's help and they STILL lost (he admits this to Nightmask).

He fought the Avengers again and held his own. Can you honestly see Sentry taking on Captain Marvel, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Hyperion at the same time and stalemating them? I sure as hell can't.

He gave up because he didn't know how to use his powers.

What else he's done? Hhhhhhmmmm, he ended a war with a blast that didn't even deplete him. A war that threatened the Universe. Yes, the shields was down but it was stated that he was the only being that had the power to do what he did and the entirety of the Shiar was there along with other armies.

So what do we have here. A guy that didn't even know how to use his powers holding his own against one of the most powerful team comics (Thanos had Generals to help him achieve something like this).

Fought the team again and did well and he was still inexperienced. Ended a war that threatened the Universe with just the wave of his hands.

That's all he really need my friend besides it being stated that he is the most powerful being on the Avengers right now. What else would you like for him to do Zop?

Originally posted by carver9
He fought the Avengers again and held his own. Can you honestly see Sentry taking on Captain Marvel, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Hyperion at the same time and stalemating them? I sure as hell can't.

He gave up because he didn't know how to use his powers.

What else he's done? Hhhhhhmmmm, he ended a war with a blast that didn't even deplete him. A war that threatened the Universe. Yes, the shields was down but it was stated that he was the only being that had the power to do what he did and the entirety of the Shiar was there along with other armies.

So what do we have here. A guy that didn't even know how to use his powers holding his own against one of the most powerful team comics (Thanos had Generals to help him achieve something like this).

Fought the team again and did well and he was still inexperienced. Ended a war that threatened the Universe with just the wave of his hands.

That's all he really need my friend besides it being stated that he is the most powerful being on the Avengers right now. What else would you like for him to do Zop?

I bet you could see Hulk stalemating them couldn't you though?

Out of every single feat Sentry has accomplished you still think he couldn't stalemate them.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I bet you could see Hulk stalemating them couldn't you though?

Out of every single feat Sentry has accomplished you still think he couldn't stalemate them.

Beating up Thor and holding up the Celestials? Not enough to beat a team of that caliber. Not nearly enough imo.

You do know how easily he disposed of Thor right?

Twice.

What makes him not able to dispose of the other heroes the way he did Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
Beating up Thor and holding up the Celestials? Not enough to beat a team of that caliber. Not nearly enough imo.

Beating up Thor should be rephrased as ko'ing him in 2 hits (then he was going to kill him). He also ko'd him with heat vision. He when he was stable was stated to have the power to destroy entire worlds when in a fight (Genis-Vell fight), (kind of get sick droning on about this) out-moleculed Molecule Man.

Equalling the power of every hero on Earth to stop Exitar. It almost seems like you're cherry picking feats to bolster your claims.

Not to mention in the fights with Thor he was holding back to subdue him not kill him. As it was his plan not the Apoc twins. Thor wont be no trouble to a no holds barred Sentry so how is "One Above Hulk" going to damage Sentry?

Sentry wins. Death Sentry wins.

WWH Sentry loses.

Originally posted by carver9
He took on the most powerful team in comics right now and held his own while tanking their attacks. It took Hulk dive bombing him from space to stop him. He dropped Hyperion tanked Thor attacks while defending himself with a powerful blast. Sentry even though he is extremely powerful isn't taking on a team of that caliber...and this happened during the time when he knew 0 about his power. After that he became more fluent with all of his abilities. Sentry will give him a fight but he will lose.

1 - He got beat by this team

2 - The team was holding back at the start of the fight.

3 - Your entire argument is "i think he should be that strong right now, because he was strong in the past"... sounds like DBZ style argument.

Starbrand has no feats to put him in the same class as best showings of Sentry.

Originally posted by carver9
Can you honestly see Sentry taking on Captain Marvel, Ironman, Hulk, Thor, and Hyperion at the same time and stalemating them? I sure as hell can't.

THIS is why you fail!

Get Carver Prime.

anyway, i still think this would be an awesome battle. sb can be a bit of a plot device, like sentry's powers i suppose. pis vs pis? potential for this fight would be uber. i'll still say split for the moment.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Beating up Thor should be rephrased as ko'ing him in 2 hits (then he was going to kill him). He also ko'd him with heat vision. He when he was stable was stated to have the power to destroy entire worlds when in a fight (Genis-Vell fight), (kind of get sick droning on about this) out-moleculed Molecule Man.

Equalling the power of every hero on Earth to stop Exitar. It almost seems like you're cherry picking feats to bolster your claims.

Not to mention in the fights with Thor he was holding back to subdue him not kill him. As it was his plan not the Apoc twins. Thor wont be no trouble to a no holds barred Sentry so how is "One Above Hulk" going to damage Sentry?

Thor will have help here. Thor, Wasp, and a worm took out Sentry. Thor will have high end help assisting him in crushing Sentry. Your argument is all over the place. Just because Orion one shot koed Superman with the ASTRO force doesn't mean he can beat the entirety of the JLA. It doesnt work like that. With that said, even though he took down Thor, and did it easily, that's proof that he is in the trans tier but it isn't proof that he could take down the Avengers.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
1 - He got beat by this team

2 - The team was holding back at the start of the fight.

3 - Your entire argument is "i think he should be that strong right now, because he was strong in the past"... sounds like DBZ style argument.

Starbrand has no feats to put him in the same class as best showings of Sentry.

He stalemated that team for a bit before losing and he wasn't even familiar with his powers.

Prove that the team was holding back.

Starbrand wins.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor will have help here. Thor, Wasp, and a worm took out Sentry. Thor will have high end help assisting him in crushing Sentry. Your argument is all over the place. Just because Orion one shot koed Superman with the ASTRO force doesn't mean he can beat the entirety of the JLA. It doesnt work like that. With that said, even though he took down Thor, and did it easily, that's proof that he is in the trans tier but it isn't proof that he could take down the Avengers.

I really hoped we could have a debate without a modicum of stupidity, and you mention the worm. So you know what heres my trump card to you.

Hulk loses to Gorilla therefore Sentry's punch destroys him but you know what I am not that terrible of a debater that I would resort to lowballing. Just be careful again of using examples when they easily backfire.

Sentry has been shown as I repeat to KO Thor with either 2 punches (while holding back) or heat vision he has shattered a planet from fighting (Collective fight) he has displayed the capability to destroy worlds. He has defeated Molecule Man. He has extremely high flight speeds as shown vs Morgana Le Fay and vs Thor. Sorry to burst your bubble but Sentry isn't this weak character that he can't stalemate the Avengers like you say. You call him a trans tier yet he according to you fails to stalemate Avengers. You really need to rethink here.

It's almost as if on this thread an outside force has removed all of Sentry's feats to make you believe he is incapable.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor will have help here. Thor, Wasp, and a worm took out Sentry. Thor will have high end help assisting him in crushing Sentry. Your argument is all over the place. Just because Orion one shot koed Superman with the ASTRO force doesn't mean he can beat the entirety of the JLA. It doesnt work like that. With that said, even though he took down Thor, and did it easily, that's proof that he is in the trans tier but it isn't proof that he could take down the Avengers.

If I brought up cases where Hulk has been ko'd then base street levellers would be able to dominate him.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I really hoped we could have a debate without a modicum of stupidity, and you mention the worm. So you know what heres my trump card to you.

Hulk loses to Gorilla therefore Sentry's punch destroys him but you know what I am not that terrible of a debater that I would resort to lowballing. Just be careful again of using examples when they easily backfire.

Sentry has been shown as I repeat to KO Thor with either 2 punches (while holding back) or heat vision he has shattered a planet from fighting (Collective fight) he has displayed the capability to destroy worlds. He has defeated Molecule Man. He has extremely high flight speeds as shown vs Morgana Le Fay and vs Thor. Sorry to burst your bubble but Sentry isn't this weak character that he can't stalemate the Avengers like you say. You call him a trans tier yet he according to you fails to stalemate Avengers. You really need to rethink here.

It's almost as if on this thread an outside force has removed all of Sentry's feats to make you believe he is incapable.

Hulk didn't lose to that Gorilla. A bite doesn't mean you lost a fight but let's move on.

You naming all of Sentry fts are impressive but I guess you've forgot what the others has done? Like Hulk strength nearly depleting an abstract of its power. Or his punch reversing time. Or Hyperion pushing two universes away from each other and withstand the destruction of two universes . Or Thor busting through Galactus head or damaging Chaos King. Again, Sentry has done well against Thor but that doesn't mean he could stalemate a squad with this kind of power. Taking out Thor doesn't mean you can take out a full team of Thors. Also, Thanos didn't knock Thor out...especially not as easily as Sentry did while holding back ( don't know where you got that from) so is Sentry more powerful than Thanos as well?

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk didn't lose to that Gorilla. A bite doesn't mean you lost a fight but let's move on.

You naming all of Sentry fts are impressive but I guess you've forgot what the others has done? Like Hulk strength nearly depleting an abstract of its power. Or his punch reversing time. Or Hyperion pushing two universes away from each other and withstand the destruction of two universes . Or Thor busting through Galactus head or damaging Chaos King. Again, Sentry has done well against Thor but that doesn't mean he could stalemate a squad with this kind of power. Taking out Thor doesn't mean you can take out a full team of Thors. Also, Thanos didn't knock Thor out...especially not as easily as Sentry did while holding back ( don't know where you got that from) so is Sentry more powerful than Thanos as well?

Believe me I know them feats, I said in regards to holding back that Sentry wanted to subdue him in the first fight. In the 2nd fight it was the same case it was only when he finally got the tentacles out did he decide to kill Thor, as he said.

"There is justice in it, there is"

I still haven't seen you admit to bringing up a a case of clear PIS. Here is another bit of the logic you used. Thor knocks Hulk out with 1 blast of electric therefore Hulk will always lose to electric based attacks (I have the image but file size is too big, I will post link). I would like to see why you think with Sentry's feats he can't stalemate or defeat the team.

With Sentry being able to perform all of the feats he can. I will even paste the respect thread in for you.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t585162.html

Tell me how he doesn't stalemate or win, without making childish references to PIS one off events.

Here is the link http://imgur.com/UhFkpk9

We can play this game if you want but until you come up with a solid reason then there is no point bringing up feats to disrespect Sentry. That's just bad debating.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk didn't lose to that Gorilla. A bite doesn't mean you lost a fight but let's move on.

You naming all of Sentry fts are impressive but I guess you've forgot what the others has done? Like Hulk strength nearly depleting an abstract of its power. Or his punch reversing time. Or Hyperion pushing two universes away from each other and withstand the destruction of two universes . Or Thor busting through Galactus head or damaging Chaos King. Again, Sentry has done well against Thor but that doesn't mean he could stalemate a squad with this kind of power. Taking out Thor doesn't mean you can take out a full team of Thors. Also, Thanos didn't knock Thor out...especially not as easily as Sentry did while holding back ( don't know where you got that from) so is Sentry more powerful than Thanos as well?

Same here, because the guy who withstands the destruction of universes when he gets a punch from the Hulk and Hulk draws blood form him do we say that Savage Hulk's punches are greater than 2 collapsing universes. No we recognise it as PIS.

http://imgur.com/a/6nHAT

"so is Sentry more powerful than Thanos as well?"

You seemed to think so so I wouldn't go chucking that argument around, so now you are disagreeing with yourself.

http://imgur.com/W48KySy

And just in case you say I am lying because I never posted the thread it's on page 2.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=592868&pagenumber=2

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Believe me I know them feats, I said in regards to holding back that Sentry wanted to subdue him in the first fight. In the 2nd fight it was the same case it was only when he finally got the tentacles out did he decide to kill Thor, as he said.

"There is justice in it, there is"

I still haven't seen you admit to bringing up a a case of clear PIS. Here is another bit of the logic you used. Thor knocks Hulk out with 1 blast of electric therefore Hulk will always lose to electric based attacks (I have the image but file size is too big, I will post link). I would like to see why you think with Sentry's feats he can't stalemate or defeat the team.

With Sentry being able to perform all of the feats he can. I will even paste the respect thread in for you.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t585162.html

Tell me how he doesn't stalemate or win, without making childish references to PIS one off events.

Here is the link http://imgur.com/UhFkpk9

We can play this game if you want but until you come up with a solid reason then there is no point bringing up feats to disrespect Sentry. That's just bad debating.

Ok, why are you still trying (key word, trying) to lowball? Where in my post where you Quoted me did i lowball. First thing, that was a surprise attack Thor hit Hulk with. Iirc, Hulk withstood Thor lightning just fine and kept fighting. Also, Hulk has received a power up since then. Now back to the real discussion here, again, Sentry has shown that he is powerful but nothing has been shown that he can beat a team of this caliber. Taking out Thor doesn't mean he can take out Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Ironman, and Captain Marvel at the same time. Let alone stalemate them.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Same here, because the guy who withstands the destruction of universes when he gets a punch from the Hulk and Hulk draws blood form him do we say that Savage Hulk's punches are greater than 2 collapsing universes. No we recognise it as PIS.

http://imgur.com/a/6nHAT

"so is Sentry more powerful than Thanos as well?"

You seemed to think so so I wouldn't go chucking that argument around, so now you are disagreeing with yourself.

http://imgur.com/W48KySy

And just in case you say I am lying because I never posted the thread it's on page 2.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=592868&pagenumber=2

I know what I think of Thanos and Sentry but I'm asking YOU what do you think of the two. Stop changing the subject.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, why are you still trying (key word, trying) to lowball? Where in my post where you Quoted me did i lowball. First thing, that was a surprise attack Thor hit Hulk with. Iirc, Hulk withstood Thor lightning just fine and kept fighting. Also, Hulk has received a power up since then. Now back to the real discussion here, again, Sentry has shown that he is powerful but nothing has been shown that he can beat a team of this caliber. Taking out Thor doesn't mean he can take out Thor, Hulk, Hyperion, Ironman, and Captain Marvel at the same time. Let alone stalemate them.

I will admit I am now becoming fed up with this. It's like talking to a brick wall. Did you or did you not use the example of the worm? If you did you are lowballing, my examples were on the basis of a counterargument. Like I said I am not that bad of a debater to that I would go that low to make my point.

Ah so it's a surprise attack when it hit Hulk, here is my counterargument Sentry was surprised when worm hit him so now you can't use that example (Sentry said Oh so you can't argue) and I wont argue over it being PIS again we have done that to death now. Sounds liek you covering up for Hulks failures again.

And I never said because he took out Thor that he could kill the team. I actually gave evidence via feats why he would win. Please for the 2nd time quit lowballing so we can debate properly.