Gladiator vs Blue Marvel

Originally posted by carver9
Again Stoic, stop replying to me. Nothing was equal about a sneak attack that did damage. Look at Hyperion words after BM zipped him with anti matter. Again, it's clear he was damaged. If you reply to this post, I'm not responding to you.

Adam didn't assault King Hyperion in the same manner, he hit him with a different kind of attack than King Hyperion hit Adam with. If Adam would have returned the favor, and pummeled him in the same way that he was pummeled, there is very strong evidence to suggest that King Hyperion, would not have gotten back up. This is based on him being thoroughly defeated by 4 punches while seeing Adam in his face. You don't have to reply/ You know that Adam won, and that's really the only thing that matters here. This is also an open forum.

Originally posted by carver9
Again Stoic, stop replying to me. Nothing was equal about a sneak attack that did damage. Look at Hyperion words after BM zipped him with anti matter. Again, it's clear he was damaged. If you reply to this post, I'm not responding to you.

The only sneak attack is you coming up with these bankrupt arguments. I fully understand why PR abused you. You deserve it.

Who else but Quagmire?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Lol, I remember they used some super speed, but to say the fight was at light speed is not true. PLUS that was normal Hype, not King Hype. Also, where is your proof that Gladiator is stronger? And even if he was, what would be his defense against antimatter being that he is made of matter? Nice strategy, help keep BMs rep down so he doesn't surpass Superman's power level....

No, they fought at lightspeed. One throws a punch, a nanosecond later the other throws a punch. Light could move about 1 foot in a nanosecond.

Anyway, Glads strength feats are better. If you go by ABC logic against characters then PF Cyke casually blocked all of Thor's might when he tried to slam, yet Glads actually affected him.

And you can't beat that punching a planet into pieces feat.

Anti-matter from BM is shit. He has hit multiple beings with little effect. Apparently his anti-matter doesn't do much to herald level characters or above. Idk.

Originally posted by h1a8
No, they fought at lightspeed. One throws a punch, a nanosecond later the other throws a punch. Light could move about 1 foot in a nanosecond.

Anyway, Glads strength feats are better. If you go by ABC logic against characters then PF Cyke casually blocked all of Thor's might when he tried to slam, yet Glads actually affected him.

And you can't beat that punching a planet into pieces feat.

Anti-matter from BM is shit. He has hit multiple beings with little effect. Apparently his anti-matter doesn't do much to herald level characters or above. Idk.

Blue Marvel was stated as being in the High Herald tier just like Gladiator in terms of strength, and he is more powerful than Gladiator. Gladiator fought Hyperion (the original one) the fight took longer than the fight between Blue Marvel vs King Hyperion. What has to be established is whether the original Hyperion was stronger than King Hyperion, because if he isn't Gladiator is going to be crushed in a fight against Adam. As for the Anti Matter being nothing comment, it hurt King Hyperion, and unless I am mistaken, this is the same guy that pushed in the Juggernaut's kneecap.

Blue Marvel wins its not a question. look at all gladiator fights he is always at the recieving end. the guy is just terrible at fighting. black bolt was getting the best of him in only H2H. his recent fight vs Drax was only won via gladiator taking him to deep space. until that moment not a single punch was landed by gladiator. gladiator is suppose to be powerful but he is a walking (or better yet flying) punching bag to heralds.

Originally posted by Stoic
Blue Marvel was stated as being in the High Herald tier just like Gladiator in terms of strength, and he is more powerful than Gladiator. Gladiator fought Hyperion (the original one) the fight took longer than the fight between Blue Marvel vs King Hyperion. What has to be established is whether the original Hyperion was stronger than King Hyperion, because if he isn't Gladiator is going to be crushed in a fight against Adam. As for the Anti Matter being nothing comment, it hurt King Hyperion, and unless I am mistaken, this is the same guy that pushed in the Juggernaut's kneecap.

Anti-matter hurt? That's not enough. BM anti-matter has hit herald level beings with his so called anti-matter and not killed or koed them. I'm not saying Gladiator won't be affected but he isn't going to be koed or killed.

Glads has superior strength feats, superior speed feats, etc.

Bottomline: Glad can fight at light speed or close. BM can't. That is the biggest reason why Glads will stomp BM. No arguing around that. You have to go through that argument.

Originally posted by leonidas
as for the fight--probably bm for a majority but glads would make it very difficult, and his confidence would play no part in his losses--bm's power would be all the reason he needs to lose. this confidence thing is a myth i really need to bust....

Not a true myth as much as a misinterpreted thing.

Also, I think, and I hate saying this, carter is right. I've seen more reputable posters on other sites say Hulk was more powerful than normal drawing energy from the HEROES REBORN(or whatever it was) universe. Although that same Hulk, while "angrier than ever" or some shit saying he was immensely enraged, beat on Abomination(who Hulk thought was gray Hulk) for like 2 straight minutes which narration suggested was about a hit a second, and failed to KO Abomination. And IIRC it was when he had Abom on the ground and mounted like in MMA. So much for "strongest one there is." 😖hifty:

Originally posted by carver9
The writer himself said that Gladiator confidence was down when Logan stabbed him and even if it wasn't, Logan claws has stabbed through Thanos with the IG.

Except, there was nothing to show the IG amped his durability when he was fighting that team.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Not a true myth as much as a misinterpreted thing.

Also, I think, and I hate saying this, carter is right. I've seen more reputable posters on other sites say Hulk was more powerful than normal drawing energy from the HEROES REBORN(or whatever it was) universe. Although that same Hulk, while "angrier than ever" or some shit saying he was immensely enraged, beat on Abomination(who Hulk thought was gray Hulk) for like 2 straight minutes which narration suggested was about a hit a second, and failed to KO Abomination. And IIRC it was when he had Abom on the ground and mounted like in MMA. So much for "strongest one there is." 😖hifty:

nah, pretty much a straight up myth now-a-days. i'll bust it one day this summer hopefully.

and.....carter (and whoever else is making the claim) is certainly NOT right about hulk being amped in that fight. the scan he show (in some other thread) to support that stance was utterly ridiculous. you want to believe it though, go right ahead. but that idea is full-on internet bullsh!t and i'd wager my house it was a gladiator fan who came up with it. 😂

Originally posted by leonidas
nah, pretty much a straight up myth now-a-days. i'll bust it one day this summer hopefully.

and.....carter (and whoever else is making the claim) is certainly NOT right about hulk being amped in that fight. the scan he show (in some other thread) to support that stance was utterly ridiculous. you want to believe it though, go right ahead. but that idea is full-on internet bullsh!t and i'd wager my house it was a gladiator fan who came up with it. 😂

Do you want me to post the scans of what happened to Glads with Reed? It's not a "myth." Myth would mean there's no truth to it. It's something misinterpreted and blown out of proportion.

I'm not believing what carter argues because of anything carter said, but of much better posters than him(of course that is a rather low bar) pointing it out elsewhere. Granted, I haven't seen it in a while, but you seem to be assuming it's wrong just because kitty-cat is championing it. Smelly Cat doing a piss-poor job of proving his claim doesn't mean he's wrong. You know what they say about broken clocks.

you can post the reed scan from his first appearance if you'd like but powers change dramatically overtime and i said 'now-a-days' it is a myth as it is nearly 100% unsupportable. in the wake of guys like sentry, bm, hyperion, that whole 'confidence' thing is no longer taken into account as relates to glads, so, yeah, now-a-days, pretty much a myth. not to say next month some writer may focus on it again--but in the last bunch of years it may have been alluded to once. that makes it a myth imo. you have a different opinion, cool beans. 👆

and i'm not denying anything just because of carver--to his credit he actually SHOWED the scan he thinks supported the idea--though i doubt even he took it seriously. it was laughable and a hilarious stretch that i find it hard to believe anyone would subscribe to.

Originally posted by leonidas
you can post the reed scan from his first appearance if you'd like but powers change dramatically overtime and i said 'now-a-days' it is a myth as it is nearly 100% unsupportable. in the wake of guys like sentry, bm, hyperion, that whole 'confidence' thing is no longer taken into account as relates to glads, so, yeah, now-a-days, pretty much a myth. not to say next month some writer may focus on it again--but in the last bunch of years it may have been alluded to once. that makes it a myth imo. you have a different opinion, cool beans. 👆

and i'm not denying anything just because of carver--to his credit he actually SHOWED the scan he thinks supported the idea--though i doubt even he took it seriously. it was laughable and a hilarious stretch that i find it hard to believe anyone would subscribe to.

You do realize I pointed-out that the confidence issue is misinterpreted and blown out of proportion, right? Never did I say it works the way many people argue. Someone previously pointed it out, his powers simply drop when he does poorly against someone he KNOWS he should beat. That's why he was weakened in that FF issue. He owned Reed, literally left him all over town, then later is beating on Captain America's shield, but a hologram makes him think his powers are failing against Reed.

But you're arguing against it, saying it's "full-on Internet bullshit," simply because Kitty-Cat is championing it. We know he has piss-poor interpretation skills of the comics. Perhaps, he heard it from someone else and is trying to prove it but can't find where it happened? Although I admit I'd need to see it again. Maybe kitty-cat can tell me the issue references for the time period.

Also, I should note that carter actually has more reason to argue Hulk wasn't amped against Gladiator than you do. 'Cuz, ya know, he's championing Gladiator elsewhere so it'd be hard for him to argue Hulk over whoever he argues loses to Gladiator unless he argues that Hulk specifically. Which, you know he won't since he didn't start reading comics until WORLD WAR HULK, so that's the Hulk he holds torch for. And is premature for.

Aaaahhhhv, I forgot about this thread. Leo, I have the scans if you want them. One sec, I will be back.

This is the same Hulk. This scene took place right after his fight against Gladiator. He was amped. Pulling in energy from a pocket dimension.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_06b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_03b.jpg.html

Pretty much a repeat of World Breaker (at lower level though).

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10a.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_11b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_16a.jpg.html

Still giving off the green aura AND, he destroyed past enemies with ease.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk459_14b.jpg.html

Here is Sampson telling Hulk about the energy he is dishing off and his power level.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/HeroesReborn-thereturn0210.jpg.html

Does anyone have that scan of Doctor Strange tells Hulk he is dying because his body is pulling in too much energy from a pocket dimension due to his lost connection with Banner. If not, I will continue to look. Moral of the story is, you were wrong Leo.

Originally posted by carver9
This is the same Hulk. This scene took place right after his fight against Gladiator. He was amped. Pulling in energy from a pocket dimension.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_06b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk447_03b.jpg.html

Pretty much a repeat of World Breaker (at lower level though).

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10a.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_10b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_11b.jpg.html
http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk446_16a.jpg.html

Still giving off the green aura AND, he destroyed past enemies with ease.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/Hulk459_14b.jpg.html

Here is Sampson telling Hulk about the energy he is dishing off and his power level.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/biensalsa/media/Marvel%20Comics/Hulk%20vs%20WWH%20and%20WBH/Critical%20mass%20before%20WBH/HeroesReborn-thereturn0210.jpg.html

Does anyone have that scan of Doctor Strange tells Hulk he is dying because his body is pulling in too much energy from a pocket dimension due to his lost connection with Banner. If not, I will continue to look. Moral of the story is, you were wrong Leo.

Ahhh yes, some by Rao from that post he made that showed WWH being on "another level" for Hulk was more lip service than fact, that you said he did a good job without lowballing Hulk, and you'd come back later and prove him wrong. And never did. Then recently asked him for them so you can use them.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Ahhh yes, some by Rao from that post he made that showed WWH being on "another level" for Hulk was more lip service than fact, that you said he did a good job without lowballing Hulk, and you'd come back later and prove him wrong. And never did. Then recently asked him for them so you can use them.

I admitted to Rao on that same day that his post was on point so what's the point you're trying to make? WWH would still crush that version of Hulk which was what Rao was trying to argue against.

Originally posted by carver9
I admitted to Rao on that same day that his post was on point so what's the point you're trying to make? WWH would still crush that version of Hulk which was what Rao was trying to argue against.

You mean where you didn't reply to his examples at all besides saying you were going to reply to them later? You ran away. Like you do elsewhere. You would make a terrible lawyer.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You mean where you didn't reply to his examples at all besides saying you were going to reply to them later? You ran away. Like you do elsewhere. You would make a terrible lawyer.

I didn't run away. I don't linger around one thread or one area on this forum, I am debating against people everywhere. So if I miss replying to someone (like I did against Leo), then that means I was probably somewhere else crushing someone's hopes. That's why when this thread popped back up, I was able to respond to an old post from Leo. Moral of the story is, it happens.

Originally posted by carver9
I didn't run away. I don't linger around one thread or one area on this forum, I am debating against people everywhere. So if I miss replying to someone (like I did against Leo), then that means I was probably somewhere else crushing someone's hopes. That's why when this thread popped back up, I was able to respond to an old post from Leo. Moral of the story is, it happens.

You runaway all the time. You also lie.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You runaway all the time. You also lie.

No i don't and I don't lie either. Why are we off topic again Delta?