Underworld vs. Blade

I haven't seen UW: Evolution for a long while, does anyone remember if the Lycan spawn of William can turn Vamps into Lycans? I know Lucian's can't but I can't exactly remember if Williams can.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I haven't seen UW: Evolution for a long while, does anyone remember if the Lycan spawn of William can turn Vamps into Lycans? I know Lucian's can't but I can't exactly remember if Williams can.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
It does, however, always kill them.

Though I am pretty sure that if William had ever preyed upon a vampire, he would have ended up a hybrid like his brother.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on what? IIRC, lycans and vamps aren't affected by each other's bites in the UWverse.

Though I am pretty sure that if William had ever preyed upon a vampire, he would have ended up a hybrid like his brother.

I don't think so. William would have to be bitten by a vampire in order to do so, if it is even possible.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Is this not your statement ““A single Lycan bite will turn anyone from team Blade into a Lycan, AND it only takes minutes, whereas a reaper bite takes days.”

So you make a false claim and now you want to switch your point. If you feel a Lycan bite is more dangerous, then say so without making up false statements.

I feel a reaper bite is more dangerous because it kills the vamps changing them to a reaper which is a vamp killer which would do nothing but add to their numbers.

Consider this: Nomak bites a pure blood vampire, let's say Frost (pre God powers obviously.) Obviously Frost is going to eventually turn into a reaper. But the thing is, he will still know who he is, he won't be some mindless drone programmed to do Nomak's bidding. His thirst will increase greatly, that's all. That and his physical appearance.

As for this statement:“Missed the point where all UW vampires can and would drink the blood of Corvinus, rendering them immune to sunlight.”? Selene.

I forgot about Selene. You are correct, however I do not see what advantage this gives. There is no time for that type of preparation. If there was then the Blade universe could do the same with Blades blood.

No prep? Well, the OP says they are five miles apart, and that Viktor is organizing the UW team. This implies prep time. All Corvinus has to do is allow each UW vampire to drink from him and they would all be immune to sunlight.

The blood pack was a special team made specifically to hunt and take out Blade. Please name one death dealer that shown any skill whatsoever besides Selene that is on the level of the Blood Pack?

Also the blood pack was formed from a whole organization of vampires that had soldiers. They were just a special unit.

Not all vamps in UW are death dealers.

I do not remember. What is your point?

Did you not watch Blade II? What do you think kill the reapers in the sewer? Blade did not die when the Daystar was released. Watch Blade Trinity.

OK so team Blade releases Daystar. Everyone who is 100% vampire is killed. This leaves Blade, Whistler's daughter and crew and reapers alive for team Blade. Team UW? All hybrids, all Lycans and the entire human strike force from UW: Awakening are left alive.

More false claims. I already did. You can ignore them all you want it does change the fact that the Blade universe has more weapons at their disposal.

No Blade and the Vampire Hunters would be alive. Also, we do not know if the Daystar would work on the reapers since the anticoagulant EDTA did not work on Nomak.

Seriously? So, when the daystar was shot with an arrow, the same could not be done with the anticoagulant?

I guess Blade needed to be close when the thrust it into Frost. The anticoagulant is a fluid that can be delivered multiple ways.

Stop making up BS statements.

So only UV rounds work on UW vamps? More false statements.

And? How does your statement support flying being an advantage for Marcus?

Ok. Well I could not pull up all the videos but for any who want to waste time and view the vamps with guns in the Blade movies just look at the videos below:
There are at least 15 to 20 vamps with guns in the first Blade movie alone.
Opening scene 11 + 7 or more in the archives and then you have the ending scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXWzck1VjZ8

Blade 2: Shows even more. Beginning scene, blood pack, sewers, and ending scene when Nomak charges the headquarters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L46ODsBkWXg

Then you have the Trinity which starts off showing vamps with guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrvaonT8qO8

Underworld only really shows vamps with guns in the first movie. The second it is at a minimum, third is in the past where guns did not exist, and the fourth is also at a very minimum.

So I disagree. Blade displays more vamps with guns.

This scene alone shows that the blood pack would destroy the death dealers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0Ch2_2o7I

Blade would obliterate them.

Blade, yes, he can take on most death dealers, but unfortunately for him this is an army thread.

Right that is why the death dealers kept getting own by the lycans because they were so good at using guns.

Your statement is not factual at all. Nothing but your opinion.

Then that makes your statement even that more ridiculous. Blade definitely has the advantage in numbers.

Show me one clip were Selene dodge a three bullet shot at here where the person was about 4 to 5 feet away. Show me a clip where Selene moves so fast you see her in multiple places at once.

Otherwise keep holding on to that one speed feat.

Dude, Frost was 20ish feet away from Blade when he dodged. But hey, here ya go:

YouTube video

Notice how, at the end, she gets shot point blank in the stomach with a shotgun and it doesn't even faze her. Blade? He would be done for.

This is one of the most hilarious statements. Who is fast enough or strong enough to drain Frost? If that is even possible. He regenerates his body parts without losing any blood. There you go again with BS claims with no evidence to back it up.

Thing is the vampires would be REMOVING his blood from his body. As they sucked away (no homo), the blood would leave him.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
I simply got mixed up. I was trying to say that if a Vampire is bitten by a Lycan, it is 100% lethal. I got mixed up between that and the question you asked about Vampires who drink the blood of Corvinus.
I am gonna disagree here. I feel a Lycan bite that can kill instantly and 100% of the time is more effective and efficient.

So in the case of lycan and reapers in terms of who has the deadlier bite both receive points. So we have UW – 1 and Blade Universe - 1.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Consider this: Nomak bites a pure blood vampire, let's say Frost (pre God powers obviously.) Obviously Frost is going to eventually turn into a reaper. But the thing is, he will still know who he is, he won't be some mindless drone programmed to do Nomak's bidding. His thirst will increase greatly, that's all. That and his physical appearance.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
No prep? Well, the OP says they are five miles apart, and that Viktor is organizing the UW team. This implies prep time. All Corvinus has to do is allow each UW vampire to drink from him and they would all be immune to sunlight.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
The bloodpack was rubbish. You see them in the club fight? They were just a bunch of spray and pray idiots.
If they are the "special unit", and they suck as bad as they did, imagine how bad the non "special" ones must be.
Inorite?

Still, I posted clear videos that showed the abilities of those in the blood pack. You have yet to show anybody besides Selene who had any skill remotely on the level of the blood pack. Also, Blade skill is greater than Selene.
So I see UW – 2 and Blade – 2. Not to mention the vampire hunters.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
UV grenades.
OK so team Blade releases Daystar. Everyone who is 100% vampire is killed. This leaves Blade, Whistler's daughter and crew and reapers alive for team Blade. Team UW? All hybrids, all Lycans and the entire human strike force from UW: Awakening are left alive.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Dodge. List them again or concede.

Difference is UW has one weapon that can kill reapers whereas Blade has multiple weapons to kill the vamps and Lycans.

Major weapons in Blade universe that do not exist in UW.
Daystar – A virus that kills all vampires.
Anticoagulant EDTA which reacts explosively with the vampire blood.”
They do have UV grenades as shown in Blade II in the sewer fight scene.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Ah, making up weapons and ammo now I see. Also, the anticoagulant was shown working only on those who are 100% vampire. Food for thought. It is a fluid that must be injected directly into the bloodstream of a vampire.

Blade threw the anti-coagulant into Frost multiple times and then kick one into his head. Blade showed that he can make the anti-coagulant into different weapons when he made it into spikes in Blade II.

So, I do not see how I am making up anything. They pre and made anti-coagulant ammo.

I still view this as a plus for Blade Universe.
UW – 2 and Blade - 3

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Er, I did not imply this, but yeah, UV rounds are the most efficient way to kill an UW vampire.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
OK, let's take the fight between Michael and Marcus, and Selene and Marcus. Marcus was only flying in one of them, and even then he was but five feet off the ground.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
OK I will concede this. BUT, team UW has one thing that team Blade does not have. UV rounds. If every UW team member has a gun with UV rounds, they have a massive advantage. And please do not bring Sun Dogs into this, They were shown being used only in Hannibal's pistol. If you reply with "ZOMG team Blade can all have Sun Dogs in all their guns!!!" I am gonna call BS.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Lol. no. Selene could easily duplicate Blade's and the Pack members feats in said vid, and then some.

The fact that you are putting Selene skill level on par with Blade is worrisome. If you cannot provide evidence showing Selene has that type of skill then you will have to concede to this point.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Blade, yes, he can take on most death dealers, but unfortunately for him this is an army thread.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Congratulations, you just testified to the pure badassery of the Lycans.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
O'rly? the UW movies show Vampires and Lycans over hundreds of years and over more movies. Explain.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Dude, Frost was 20ish feet away from Blade when he dodged. But hey, here ya go:

YouTube video

Notice how, at the end, she gets shot point blank in the stomach with a shotgun and it doesn't even faze her. Blade? He would be done for.

I am not sure if Blade would be done. But Selene was stab with a knife by Lucien and fainted and was saved by Michael. That faze her. So, I guess it depends on the movie or situation.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Thing is the vampires would be REMOVING his blood from his body. As they sucked away (no homo), the blood would leave him.

Now for teamwork and strategy:
UW – Vamps, Lycans, and humans mostly likely are not going to work together.

Lucien has shown the ability to work with Vamps but that was with Kraven, not Viktor which mostly likely would not happen. Marcus also would not bend to Viktor nor would William. Neither would humans work with the Lycans or Vamps. Alex Corv would just watch the fight to clean up the mess.

So for UW you have three teams who are not united but hate each other. I see this as a severe disadvantage for UW.

Blade – Vamps, Vampire Hunters, Reapers, Humans.

Blade has shown that he is willing to work with Vamps even Whistler. Humans have also work with the Vampires. So now you have an organized team or Vampire Hunters, Vampires, and humans.

Reapers are the wild card. Nomak will work with Blade as shown in Blade two. So as long as the rest of Blade team stays away from the reapers there should be no conflict.

I see team play and strategy as a plus an advantage for Blade universe.
So ending score I see is:
UW – 3 and Blade – 4.

Blade universe wins.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough. We feel differently on this point. However, I am sure we both can agree that both bites are lethal.

So in the case of lycan and reapers in terms of who has the deadlier bite both receive points. So we have UW – 1 and Blade Universe - 1.

There would be more changes besides the thirst such as, greater strength, immunity to silver and the EDTA, and lastly astounding durability. In the videos I posted lighthammer (Blade II club fight scene) crack the neck of a reaper with his hammer and the reaper just snap his neck back in place. Donnie Yen stab one with his sword and the reaper just rip his own body through the sword and left. Nomak snap his bones back into place with Blade broke his arm.

Ok. How many vamps could feed off of Corvinus in that much time? also how many before Corvinus went dry. I would say 3 max.
Do not see that as that much of an advantage. This would not save them from the anticoagulant EDTA.
However, being objective this is still a plus for UW. So far UW – 2 Blade universe - 1.

The Blood pack went against reapers who you are lowballing. The reaper abilities were unknown to them. Ok if you feel they were not special.

Still, I posted clear videos that showed the abilities of those in the blood pack. You have yet to show anybody besides Selene who had any skill remotely on the level of the blood pack. Also, Blade skill is greater than Selene.
So I see UW – 2 and Blade – 2. Not to mention the vampire hunters.

Did you forget that the Blade universe has humans who work for the Vampires? This includes soldiers. In Blade on alone he kills many humans with guns who work for the Vampires. I will comment on the teams at the end as to who I see has the team advantage.

Lazy are we? All you had do was look at the previous post. Here was my previous post concerning weapons:
“I pointed out that – the Blade universe have weapons with UV rays would also decimate UW vamps. The Blade universe also have weapons with silver and garlic. All which will kill UW vamps and Lycans.

Difference is UW has one weapon that can kill reapers whereas Blade has multiple weapons to kill the vamps and Lycans.

Major weapons in Blade universe that do not exist in UW.
Daystar – A virus that kills all vampires.
Anticoagulant EDTA which reacts explosively with the vampire blood.”
They do have UV grenades as shown in Blade II in the sewer fight scene.

How so? Since it has to be injected into the blood stream you need to be close? What are UV rounds or the sliver that was injected into Lucien? Weren’t they all fluids that are injected into the blood stream?

Blade threw the anti-coagulant into Frost multiple times and then kick one into his head. Blade showed that he can make the anti-coagulant into different weapons when he made it into spikes in Blade II.

So, I do not see how I am making up anything. They pre and made anti-coagulant ammo.

I still view this as a plus for Blade Universe.
UW – 2 and Blade - 3

Ok. Still no points for UW since Blade has the variety of weapons.

Not a strong argument but Ok Marcus can fly. Point for UW.
UW – 3 and Blade universe – 3.

Numbers do not bring advantage always. Strategy and team play does. I will explain my view at the end.

Totally disagree. Selene has not shown any ability to move like the members of the blood pack shown nor Blade. She has not face anybody with that type of skill. Has not shown the ability to move like that with a weapon.

The fact that you are putting Selene skill level on par with Blade is worrisome. If you cannot provide evidence showing Selene has that type of skill then you will have to concede to this point.

Most? 😕

Yes, I never said Lycans were not badass.

Not sure what your point is or what you want me to explain. It is implied in both universes that Vamps existed for centuries.

No Frost wasn’t.

I am not sure if Blade would be done. But Selene was stab with a knife by Lucien and fainted and was saved by Michael. That faze her. So, I guess it depends on the movie or situation.

Dude I feel you are reaching with this one. I could say the same for Selene or any Vamp. Do I think it would happen, no I don’t. This is an army vs another army.

Now for teamwork and strategy:
UW – Vamps, Lycans, and humans mostly likely are not going to work together.

Lucien has shown the ability to work with Vamps but that was with Kraven, not Viktor which mostly likely would not happen. Marcus also would not bend to Viktor nor would William. Neither would humans work with the Lycans or Vamps. Alex Corv would just watch the fight to clean up the mess.

So for UW you have three teams who are not united but hate each other. I see this as a severe disadvantage for UW.

Blade – Vamps, Vampire Hunters, Reapers, Humans.

Blade has shown that he is willing to work with Vamps even Whistler. Humans have also work with the Vampires. So now you have an organized team or Vampire Hunters, Vampires, and humans.

Reapers are the wild card. Nomak will work with Blade as shown in Blade two. So as long as the rest of Blade team stays away from the reapers there should be no conflict.

I see team play and strategy as a plus an advantage for Blade universe.
So ending score I see is:
UW – 3 and Blade – 4.

Blade universe wins.

It just occurred to me that we need numbers. This "All people shown in Blade and UW" thing is crazy, it's causing us to go back and forth. Besides, if we include all from both worlds, think about it: Team UW has pretty much the entire human race from UW: Awakening and the men of Corvnius. This means attack helicopters, all armed with mini guns that fire UV and Silver nitrate rounds. Napalm. This makes it an INCREDIBLE landslide victory for team UW.

We need Quan to give us a roster of combatants. This will make this debate WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier for all involved.

That, or one of us can start another thread? That, or we can continue as is.

Your call.

As it stands, this thread is over. Observe:

YouTube video

See the Blackhawk choppers firing missiles and UV/Silver nitrate rounds? Bladeverse has no defense for that. Viktor simply orders the choppers to spam the team Blade castle until all are dead.

/thread.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
It just occurred to me that we need numbers. This "All people shown in Blade and UW" thing is crazy, it's causing us to go back and forth. Besides, if we include all from both worlds, think about it: Team UW has pretty much the entire human race from UW: Awakening and the men of Corvnius. This means attack helicopters, all armed with mini guns that fire UV and Silver nitrate rounds. Napalm. This makes it an INCREDIBLE landslide victory for team UW.

We need Quan to give us a roster of combatants. This will make this debate WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier for all involved.

That, or one of us can start another thread? That, or we can continue as is.

Your call.

I agree. A more concise roster would be more a better fit for a discussion. I do not know if we are going to really agree but there are a few things that we should be able to made a final decision on so as to fully close this thread:
These are things that I feel would be needed in order to win a war:
Weapons
Soldiers
Armor
Vehicles
Allies
Organization
Resources
Strategy/Tactical
Skill of soldiers
Power/Abilities

I may being missing some but simply what do you rate a win for which sides?
My take:
Weapons - Blade - Gave my reasons. I know you are going to choose UW.
Soldiers - Numbers go to UW
Armor - Not sure. I do say that I do not believe UW has an answer in weapons for Drake nor Frost. I also believe blade universe is more durable due to the reapers, Drake, and Frost.
Vehicles - Both have shown that they have access to vehicles so I would say tie.
Allies - This would definitely go to Blade as humans work the Vamps. As well as the vampire hunters when needed.
Organization - I feel goes to Blade
Resources - UW due to the amount of humans involved.
Strategy/Tactical - Blade
Skill of Soldiers - Blade
Power/Abilities - Blade

Now I know you are not going to agree with a lot my choices. But one thing you have to agree with, history in the real world has shown that numbers to not win wars.

Blade universe will be organized with team work. UW would not which would lead to their downfall.

Also trump card. Drake could pose as Viktor the president of the US and order the soldiers of UW to put themselves in a bad position to lose.

Anyway new thread needed agreed.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I agree. A more concise roster would be more a better fit for a discussion. I do not know if we are going to really agree but there are a few things that we should be able to made a final decision on so as to fully close this thread:
These are things that I feel would be needed in order to win a war:
Weapons
Soldiers
Armor
Vehicles
Allies
Organization
Resources
Strategy/Tactical
Skill of soldiers
Power/Abilities

I may being missing some but simply what do you rate a win for which sides?
My take:
Weapons - Blade - Gave my reasons. I know you are going to choose UW.
Soldiers - Numbers go to UW
Armor - Not sure. I do say that I do not believe UW has an answer in weapons for Drake nor Frost. I also believe blade universe is more durable due to the reapers, Drake, and Frost.
Vehicles - Both have shown that they have access to vehicles so I would say tie.
Allies - This would definitely go to Blade as humans work the Vamps. As well as the vampire hunters when needed.
Organization - I feel goes to Blade
Resources - UW due to the amount of humans involved.
Strategy/Tactical - Blade
Skill of Soldiers - Blade
Power/Abilities - Blade

Now I know you are not going to agree with a lot my choices. But one thing you have to agree with, history in the real world has shown that numbers to not win wars.

Blade universe will be organized with team work. UW would not which would lead to their downfall.

Also trump card. Drake could pose as Viktor the president of the US and order the soldiers of UW to put themselves in a bad position to lose.

Anyway new thread needed agreed.

I'll start a new one as soon as I get a chance.

I'm sorry, dude, I have to address this:

Originally posted by Kotor3

Weapons - Blade - Gave my reasons. I know you are going to choose UW.

Soldiers - Numbers go to UW

Armor - Not sure. I do say that I do not believe UW has an answer in weapons for Drake nor Frost. I also believe blade universe is more durable due to the reapers, Drake, and Frost.

Armor is irrelevant, they both have armor. Bladeverse is NOT more durable tan UWverse. It's not even close.

Vehicles - Both have shown that they have access to vehicles so I would say tie. /b]

Again, no. Bladeverse has ground vehicles only. UWverse has the entire human race (UW: Awakening) and has Blackhawk choppers. They probably have tanks too.

[b]Allies - This would definitely go to Blade as humans work the Vamps. As well as the vampire hunters when needed.

In these threads, teams all work together effectively. All play well with their teammates.

Organization - I feel goes to Blade

Resources - UW due to the amount of humans involved.

Strategy/Tactical - Blade

No, UW takes this category. Viktor and the elders have centuries worth of experience attacking/defending castles. Viktor is a better leader than anoyne in Bladeverse.

Skill of Soldiers - Blade

Power/Abilities - Blade

Blade universe will be organized with team work. UW would not which would lead to their downfall.

As I stated, in these threads, all team members cooperate with each other.

Also trump card. Drake could pose as Viktor the president of the US and order the soldiers of UW to put themselves in a bad position to lose.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
I'm sorry, dude, I have to address this:

Lol, no. UW has UV rounds in all their guns. They also have Blackhawk attack choppers that spew forth: Missiles, UV rounds, silver nitrate rounds. Bladeverse has nowhere near the wepons that UW has.

Hard to tell, there are so many covens in both franchises. Offhand I would say UW because there are three species.

Armor is irrelevant, they both have armor. Bladeverse is NOT more durable tan UWverse. It's not even close.

Again, no. Bladeverse has ground vehicles only. UWverse has the entire human race (UW: Awakening) and has Blackhawk choppers. They probably have tanks too.

In these threads, teams all work together effectively. All play well with their teammates.

Hard to tell, for the same reason I stated under Soldiers.

Agreed.

No, UW takes this category. Viktor and the elders have centuries worth of experience attacking/defending castles. Viktor is a better leader than anoyne in Bladeverse.

Skill is about even.

Lol no. UW has far more members with special abilities and powers.

Why do you keep saying this? Did Blade and the blood pack play nice together? Nope.

As I stated, in these threads, all team members cooperate with each other.

Lol, no. Drake is in a castle, he is not in the White House. Also, he would have to get to the president, which will be nigh impossible.

However there are two points that I do not see why you are disagreeing with me and that is teamwork and skill.

Either way this thread is to open, I am going to create one between the Blood Pack and Death Dealers. Blade will be with the blood pack and Selene with the death dealers.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Fair enough. I didn't think we would agree.

However there are two points that I do not see why you are disagreeing with me and that is teamwork and skill.

Either way this thread is to open, I am going to create one between the Blood Pack and Death Dealers. Blade will be with the blood pack and Selene with the death dealers.

Because Blade and the pack could not work together. Not alot of teamwork there.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Because Blade and the pack could not work together. Not alot of teamwork there.

Originally posted by Kotor3
They did work together. Being cautious is not the same as defiant. Not sure what your definition of working together is.

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Selene literally said lycan bites are 100% lethal as she drives away with Michael after Lucian bites him. This is why she was so amazed, this is why she brought him back to the mansion.

I don't think so. William would have to be bitten by a vampire in order to do so, if it is even possible.

Marcus became a hybrid by drinking lycan blood. Pretty sure that if Willian had eaten a vampire, he would have become a hybrid too.

Originally posted by Epicurus
She said a bite from an Immortal. Not just Lycan. She also mentioned that ordinary humans are guaranteed to die if bitten by both species.

Marcus became a hybrid by drinking lycan blood. Pretty sure that if Willian had eaten a vampire, he would have become a hybrid too. [/B][/QUOTE] Hard to believe that William, bloodlusted as he was, never fed from a vampire. 😕

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Hard to believe that William, bloodlusted as he was, never fed from a vampire. 😕

Singe, the Lycan that caused Marcus to hybridize, was directly turned by Lucian. Lucian was the first Lycan (to be able to change to and from the wolf form). Obviously, he was genetically different than his werewolf predecessors.

IMO, Marcus was changed specifically because he got the strain from Lucian indirectly via Singe.

Of course, this could have probably worked with any Lycan...because I believe all were turned by Lucian (Viktor had Lucian create tons of Lycans).

Anyway, I do not think any such special vampire exists in Underworld. This is why William probably did not turn into a hybrid knowing, full well, that he probably killed dozens of early vampires when they were trying to hunt him down.

William was a full-blown Werewolf, not a lycan.

I think the logic from this comes from the fact that Vampires are much more human-like than the Werewolves. I know that seems non sequitur but this is the reason: the Vampires appear to be more compatiable with Lycans than Werewolves. So William would not be able to hybridize when feasting on Vampires in the same way Marcus did when he was revived with Lycan blood: werewolves are too different than vamps to hybridze, readily. It takes a lycan-vampire combo to hybridize.

My source for this information: every hybrid has always been Vampire-Lycan or Lycan-Vampire. The only hybrid who is not like that is Selene. She's Vampire-Immortal hybrid...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Singe, the Lycan that caused Marcus to hybridize, was directly turned by Lucian. Lucian was the first Lycan (to be able to change to and from the wolf form). Obviously, he was genetically different than his werewolf predecessors.

IMO, Marcus was changed specifically because he got the strain from Lucian indirectly via Singe.

Of course, this could have probably worked with any Lycan...because I believe all were turned by Lucian (Viktor had Lucian create tons of Lycans).

Anyway, I do not think any such special vampire exists in Underworld. This is why William probably did not turn into a hybrid knowing, full well, that he probably killed dozens of early vampires when they were trying to hunt him down.

William was a full-blown Werewolf, not a lycan.

I think the logic from this comes from the fact that Vampires are much more human-like than the Werewolves. I know that seems non sequitur but this is the reason: the Vampires appear to be more compatiable with Lycans than Werewolves. So William would not be able to hybridize when feasting on Vampires in the same way Marcus did when he was revived with Lycan blood: werewolves are too different than vamps to hybridze, readily. It takes a lycan-vampire combo to hybridize.

My source for this information: every hybrid has always been Vampire-Lycan or Lycan-Vampire. The only hybrid who is not like that is Selene. She's Vampire-Immortal hybrid...

Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Hard to believe that William, bloodlusted as he was, never fed from a vampire. 😕

That would imply that they had come across other instances of William's rampage, and in most of these instances, they had to deal with the reanimated zombie-werewolves instead of Willian(who managed to escape to his next hunt before that).