Again based on feats Prime in both but with some logic applied (FOPL) easy to see how Superman 1 million wins in both especially with a Solaris amp. Depowered Kal punched through time to his time. Kal would struggle more with the GA Amp though. Nevertheless it's safe to say Superman 1 million wins even without the "actual feats" and especially with an amp just based off of the feat previously mentioned.
Personally I put Superman M*'s time punching on par with Superboy Prime's Phantom Zone busting retcon punching despite it taking a lot more time(no pun intended). And Kal Kent was weakened to the point his senses were virtual gone, mental facilities were vastly lower, true super speed was gone, energy powers were gone, and he couldn't even fly.
Going by what it seems like he should be at fully powered, I'd still put him above the amped Superboy(man) Prime. Despite as others have pointed out that he doesn't have much in regards to feats, and I can't think of any significant fights either.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Personally I put Superman M*'s time punching on par with Superboy Prime's Phantom Zone busting retcon punching despite it taking a lot more time(no pun intended). And Kal Kent was weakened to the point his senses were virtual gone, mental facilities were vastly lower, true super speed was gone, energy powers were gone, and he couldn't even fly.Going by what it seems like he should be at fully powered, I'd still put him above the amped Superboy(man) Prime. Despite as others have pointed out that he doesn't have much in regards to feats, and I can't think of any significant fights either.
yes but dont forget it took him longer because he was punching centeries into the future. with the first punch he broke the time barrier and altered reality. and of course he was extremely depowered. once he got his powers back he re-enforced green lanterns force field around solaris and actually overpowered solaris without too much effort. also green lantern was bleeding and hurt before kal kent arrived to help him so the help kal kent got from him was minimal as he was about to break.
and once again there is kal kent holding with his force vision an entire galaxy that was charging at light speed, thats just insane. i dont see even trans levelers do that.
Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
yes but dont forget it took him longer because he was punching centeries into the future. with the first punch he broke the time barrier and altered reality. and of course he was extremely depowered. once he got his powers back he re-enforced green lanterns force field around solaris and actually overpowered solaris without too much effort. also green lantern was bleeding and hurt before kal kent arrived to help him so the help kal kent got from him was minimal as he was about to break.and once again there is kal kent holding with his force vision an entire galaxy that was charging at light speed, thats just insane. i dont see even trans levelers do that.
Yeah, I know it was 823 or so centuries into time. So I don't knock it taking a while(no pun intended against him. And him being weak is exactly why I put him under his full power so far above SBP. I think even that weakened Kal Kent could give Superboy Prime a fight, assuming he didn't rapidly lose power during the fight.
I really found the Solaris thing more a big feat for Kyle than Superman M* considering other factors, not the things you brought up.
I thought it was half a galaxy? Either way it's insane. It would be insane even at half a galaxy going at normal speeds, and IIRC it was a telekinesis feat. You wouldn't happen to know the issue reference? I probably have the comic but don't remember which.
Originally posted by Delta1938yeah, it took the cumulative force-vision/tk of superman m* AND titano to halt the forward progression of a galaxy:
I thought it was half a galaxy? Either way it's insane. It would be insane even at half a galaxy going at normal speeds, and IIRC it was a telekinesis feat. You wouldn't happen to know the issue reference? I probably have the comic but don't remember which.
and according to titano, the galaxies were moving toward one another at "incredible speeds":
http://i.imgur.com/haMlHc8.jpg
scans are from DC One Million: 80 Page Giant, btw.
Those galaxies were forcing entire hypertime to merge into a single universe. Hypertime is an infinite multiverse FYI.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was moving so fast that it caused ripples across time for centuries. Two galaxies are sometimes millions of lightyears apart in distance, colliding with another galaxy in two hours? So far above lightspeed, its not even funny. The effect of those two galaxies nearly colliding nearly folded entire Hypertime."Every possible universe at once."
Its so far above Hulk's feat that its not even funny.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway, Kal punching through time isn't so impressive on its own but when you consider how much he was weakened, its ****ing awesome. As per JLA 1M, he was at least weakened to 1/10000 level of his power as he is at least lightspeed and here he could only jump (not even fly) at 1/10000th speed of light.Then he gets weakened even more in DC 1M 3 where even his HV is gone and he's at the last reserves of his power.
Even more weakened in DC 1M 4 where he punches through time to the point he ages into an old man.
But as soon as he reaches 853rd century, he's back at his full power.
So it was Kal Kent at less than 1/10000th of his power who punched straight through time. At full power he would punch straight through Hulk too.
Originally posted by abhilegendit's hilarious to me that the gorilla galaxy's massive gravity is what momentarily crumpled time and warped "every possible universe"(ie. hypertime/infinity) into a single galaxy like that. the implications are staggering, really--i mean, how astronomical does a galaxy's gravitational field have to be in order to warp all of hypertime, instantly? 😱
Those galaxies were forcing entire hypertime to merge into a single universe.
...i doubt grant thought that one through, tbh.
Originally posted by Galan007
yeah, it took the cumulative force-vision/tk of superman m* AND titano to halt the forward progression of a galaxy:
http://i.imgur.com/nsMQCEy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jIwjX5Q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zTyu578.jpgand according to titano, the galaxies were moving toward one another at "incredible speeds":
http://i.imgur.com/haMlHc8.jpgscans are from DC One Million: 80 Page Giant, btw.
Thanks. First scan states the galaxy is blueshifting. According to Wikipedia, that means it's moving at relativistic speed, which is a decent percentage of lightspeed.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆good catch.
Thanks. Looking at Abhi's post though it probably was going a lot faster. But even an entire galaxy moving at 10% of lightspeed(apparently the rough minimum for "relativistic speed" if I got the article right) would, well, even half the effort of slowing it down is insane.
Originally posted by Galan007
it's hilarious to me that the gorilla galaxy's massive gravity is what momentarily crumpled time and warped "every possible universe"(ie. hypertime/infinity) into a single galaxy like that. the implications are staggering, really--i mean, how astronomical does a galaxy's gravitational field have to be in order to warp all of hypertime, instantly? 😱...i doubt grant thought that one through, tbh.
Kal Kent for skyfather category.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Grant didn't write it though IIRC and stupid or not, a feat is a feat. As it is, Kal Kent and Titano stopped a force that was threatening an infinite multiverse to merge into a single universe. You know how much field work someone like Mr. M would do with a feat like that?Kal Kent for skyfather category.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he was trying to dismiss or downgrade the feat or anything. Just point-out how stupidly insane it was.
Oh, and message me back jerkface!!! 😠
Originally posted by abhilegendfirst off, grant did write it:
Grant didn't write it though IIRC and stupid or not, a feat is a feat. As it is, Kal Kent and Titano stopped a force that was threatening an infinite multiverse to merge into a single universe. You know how much field work someone like Mr. M would do with a feat like that?Kal Kent for skyfather category.
secondly, pump the brakes, kiddo. i wasn't downplaying the feat by any means... just pointing out its glaring absurdity/uberness, is all.
