Superboy Prime vs Superman 1 Million (kal kent)

Originally posted by abhilegend
So how powerful Kal Kent is IYO?

my only issue with focusing solely on the galaxy feat is when we start getting into logical power-scaling thereafter. meaning: if superman m* was able to stop 50% the mass of the gorilla galaxy, then how powerful was solaris that it took kyle's construct, in conjunction with superman m*'s 'galactic' force-vision, just to contain him...? dunno, i have always viewed him as a peak trans-leveler, personally... though if you take the "more powerful than any metahuman ever" statement literally, an argument can certainly be made for a higher ranking.

...too bad that pesky k-nite weakness was still in play for him--he was almost perfect. 👇

Originally posted by Galan007

...too bad that pesky k-nite weakness was still in play for him. 👇

It was? I didn't read every single DC ONE MILLION tie-in issue, but I read the core storyline and don't recall Kryptonite ever effecting him or being stated to effect him. In fact, he couldn't access Superman's Fortress because his Kryptonian bloodline was so diluted it didn't even recognize him as Kryptonian. Would seem odd to me that he doesn't even have enough Kryptonian DNA to be recognized as one but Kryptonite still effects him.

Did I miss something, or are you mixing this up with Solaris' plan to kill Superman Prime with the Kryptonite that actually turned-out to be Kyle's Power Ring?

Prime, both times.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It was? I didn't read every single DC ONE MILLION tie-in issue, but I read the core storyline and don't recall Kryptonite ever effecting him or being stated to effect him. In fact, he couldn't access Superman's Fortress because his Kryptonian bloodline was so diluted it didn't even recognize him as Kryptonian. Would seem odd to me that he doesn't even have enough Kryptonian DNA to be recognized as one but Kryptonite still effects him.

Did I miss something, or are you mixing this up with Solaris' plan to kill Superman Prime with the Kryptonite that actually turned-out to be Kyle's Power Ring?

how can i contact grand morrison and ask him if there will be any content with kal kent anywhere soon? i felt like DC 1 MILLION could use some further developement. specially Superman 1 million since we really didnt get a chance to see how he is like when he is full power and fighting enemies.

I'm gonna go with Prime, barely, in round 1, and definitely Prime in round 2. While Kal Kent was able to blow away Firestorm when weakened(though he got right back up again), Prime was taking on groups of Lanterns at a time, which is a little more impressive than Kent's feat.

Originally posted by Galan007
this is the instance i was referencing:
http://i.imgur.com/qalfmFH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qf3xLpu.jpg
the k-nite weakness was still in play for superman m*--which is logical given that it was still in play for his predecessor/battery, superman prime.

From the 80 Page Giant. No wonder I missed it, thanks. I always saw Superman M* being powered by the Super-Sun because Superman Prime gave it, as Superman M* seemed to not get any power from the regular Sun in the modern day.

But it takes apparently a city-sized chunk of Kryptonite to effect Superman M*. Not too shabby.

Originally posted by Delta1938
From the 80 Page Giant. No wonder I missed it, thanks. I always saw Superman M* being powered by the Super-Sun because Superman Prime gave it, as Superman M* seemed to not get any power from the regular Sun in the modern day.

But it takes apparently a city-sized chunk of Kryptonite to effect Superman M*. Not too shabby.

i doubt very highly that a city-sized chunk of k-nite is the minimum that is needed to harm superman m*. after all, before we knew the knight fragment was really just a GL ring in disguise, we had every reason to believe that a handheld slice of k-nite was sufficient to poison the super-sun and outright kill superman prime himself. i doubt very highly that prime's 'heralds'(the superman dynasty) had a greater resistance to k-nite than he did. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
not sure i'm following the first part. you're correct in assuming that superman m* is only powered by the super-sun(ie. the post-700th century star of our solar system), but i guess i'm not sure why you brought it up..? 😕

i doubt very highly that a city-sized chunk of k-nite is the minimum that is needed to harm superman m*. after all, before we knew the knight fragment was really just a GL ring in disguise, we had every reason to believe that a handheld slice of k-nite was sufficient to poison the super-sun and outright kill superman prime himself. i doubt very highly that prime's 'heralds'(the superman dynasty) had a greater resistance to k-nite than he did. /shrug

well yeah golden prime is empowering the dynesty. however kal kent also got powers from the 5 Imp queen bloodline. so IMO it wouldnt be a stretch to believe he is imune to Knite because of that. he doesnt have to be more powerful than golden prime, only being resistant to knite.

also please people help me contact with morrison i need to know about 1 million. also maybe my question will remind him of the character and he will write something with it. i would love to see Doomsday try to go after kal kent and see what happens.

Originally posted by Galan007
not sure i'm following the first part. you're correct in assuming that superman m* is only powered by the super-sun(ie. the post-700th century star of our solar system), but i guess i'm not sure why you brought it up..? 😕

i doubt very highly that a city-sized chunk of k-nite is the minimum that is needed to harm superman m*. after all, before we knew the knight fragment was really just a GL ring in disguise, we had every reason to believe that a handheld slice of k-nite was sufficient to poison the super-sun and outright kill superman prime himself. i doubt very highly that prime's 'heralds'(the superman dynasty) had a greater resistance to k-nite than he did. /shrug

I brought it up because it seemed to me that Superman Prime had more to do with them being powered by the Super Sun than genetics. It wasn't really explained, but Superman M* wasn't recognized as Kryptonian by the Fortress so that's how I took it. It just seems odd he'd react to Kryptonite since he had barely any Kryptonian DNA left in him. Maybe the writer didn't think about it(or didn't know), maybe the writer didn't care.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
well yeah golden prime is empowering the dynesty. however kal kent also got powers from the 5 Imp queen bloodline. so IMO it wouldnt be a stretch to believe he is imune to Knite because of that. he doesnt have to be more powerful than golden prime, only being resistant to knite.

also please people help me contact with morrison i need to know about 1 million. also maybe my question will remind him of the character and he will write something with it. i would love to see Doomsday try to go after kal kent and see what happens.

...and it doesn't exactly help support the opinion that superman m* was extra-resistant to k-nite, when he was dropped like a wet sack of shit the one time he was exposed to it on panel. /shrug

Originally posted by Delta1938
I brought it up because it seemed to me that Superman Prime had more to do with them being powered by the Super Sun than genetics. It wasn't really explained, but Superman M* wasn't recognized as Kryptonian by the Fortress so that's how I took it. It just seems odd he'd react to Kryptonite since he had barely any Kryptonian DNA left in him. Maybe the writer didn't think about it(or didn't know), maybe the writer didn't care.

Originally posted by Galan007

yeah, dunno. evidently different writers had a different take on his kryptonian genealogy... that, or they just didn't give a f*ck. 👆

I figure the writer didn't know about what was already shown or didn't care. 'Cuz essentially Kal Kent wasn't even Kryptonian. We can just chalk it up to.....comics.

yup, that's 90s-era comics for ya.

though it's worth noting that the future superman dynasty did still descend from superman prime's bloodline...

"[Prime] sought out the current Superman, the millennia-distant blood of his blood, and forged a covenant...":
http://i.imgur.com/ZTO2d2i.jpg

S1MIL

supes 1M was awesome. lol him alone goes a long way to explaining how powerful and utterly ridiculous solaris was given what solaris was doing not only to him but to the entire 1M hero roster.... that, by inference, also gives us some indication of the level of power golden supes may have been harboring.....

Originally posted by Galan007
yup, that's 90s-era comics for ya.

though it's worth noting that the future superman dynasty did still descend from superman prime's bloodline...

"[Prime] sought out the current Superman, the millennia-distant blood of his blood, and forged a covenant...":
http://i.imgur.com/ZTO2d2i.jpg

Oh, I know they did descend directly from him. But like I said he essentially wasn't Kryptonian. For those who haven't seen it.

I figured they were written by different writers, checked and was right. So either Mark Millar wasn't aware of that, or he simply didn't care.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Oh, I know they did descend directly from him. But like I said he essentially wasn't Kryptonian. For those who haven't seen it.

I figured they were written by different writers, checked and was right. So either Mark Millar wasn't aware of that, or he simply didn't care.

the thing with 1 million being depowered is always jumping up and down the scales. at normal when depowered he couldnt break the ice cave and couldnt even rip a tunnel bar off the wall. however when needed he beat the crap out of all the metal man and even combined. and while extremely depowered broke the time itself 853 centeries into the future causing shocwaves in the history and altering events.
when i look at superman 1 million i see a modern version of PC Superman and i really think thats what he was suppose to be by morrison. he got so many insane powers for everything and when needed he got extreme powers and abilities.

while depowered,blowing slightly on firestorm and knocking him off. while stating he can destroy a giant red star with his breath alone. while extremely depowered to the point he cant even fly or break into an ice cave, beat the crap out of the time stream and punch into the future. hold off a whole charging galaxy that was traveling around light speed. yes he needed help from titano but when titano came and just put some effort into it the galaxy stopped right away and it was stated. it was stated the galaxy was stopped dead on spot. that means kal kent already slowed it down and held it off enough for it to stop dead on spot once any further power was applied.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
the thing with 1 million being depowered is always jumping up and down the scales. at normal when depowered he couldnt break the ice cave and couldnt even rip a tunnel bar off the wall. however when needed he beat the crap out of all the metal man and even combined. and while extremely depowered broke the time itself 853 centeries into the future causing shocwaves in the history and altering events.
when i look at superman 1 million i see a modern version of PC Superman and i really think thats what he was suppose to be by morrison. he got so many insane powers for everything and when needed he got extreme powers and abilities.

while depowered,blowing slightly on firestorm and knocking him off. while stating he can destroy a giant red star with his breath alone. while extremely depowered to the point he cant even fly or break into an ice cave, beat the crap out of the time stream and punch into the future. hold off a whole charging galaxy that was traveling around light speed. yes he needed help from titano but when titano came and just put some effort into it the galaxy stopped right away and it was stated. it was stated the galaxy was stopped dead on spot. that means kal kent already slowed it down and held it off enough for it to stop dead on spot once any further power was applied.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking "defenses" meant there was more than just breaking an ice cavern.

And, I'm not sure how that's as inconsistent as you're saying even if it's just breaking through a bunch of ice. That would be one poor example against him beating Firestorm like he did, owning the Metal Men(twice, actually, second when they were merged into a more powerful form), jumping to the Moon and punching through time.

Originally posted by Galan007
it was stated that the superman dynasty gained 10 new sensory powers when the superman of the 67th century married the imp queen. it was never stated, or even alluded to, however, that the dynasty became more resistant to k-nite because of said annulment.

...and it doesn't exactly help support the opinion that superman m* was extra-resistant to k-nite, when he was dropped like a wet sack of shit the one time he was exposed to it on panel. /shrug

you got me all wrong. i wasnt saying he doesnt have weakness to K-nite , we saw on panel he has. i just stated that it could make sense if he was imune to K-nite while golden superman prime wasnt even with the fact he empowers kal kent, and that could be explained by the blood mix with the 5 Imp.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
you got me all wrong. i wasnt saying he doesnt have weakness to K-nite , we saw on panel he has. i just stated that it could make sense if he was imune to K-nite while golden superman prime wasnt even with the fact he empowers kal kent, and that could be explained by the blood mix with the 5 Imp.

If you ignore Kal Kent being effected by Kryptonite, I do agree it'd logical that he wouldn't be effected by it while Superman Prime is, but not because of the 5D imp blood, but because he's so far down the generational line that he's not even recognized as Kryptonian.

Yeah, I know that wasn't to me, just felt like chiming in.