Superboy Prime vs Superman 1 Million (kal kent)

Originally posted by Delta1938
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking "defenses" meant there was more than just breaking an ice cavern.

And, I'm not sure how that's as inconsistent as you're saying even if it's just breaking through a bunch of ice. That would be one poor example against him beating Firestorm like he did, owning the Metal Men(twice, actually, second when they were merged into a more powerful form), jumping to the Moon and punching through time.

yes exactly. he owned a solid herald with a slight breath. he bea tthe entire metal man crew. on the other hand couldnt break the ice cave , couldnt rip off the vent tunnel off the wall, and felt pain when robots shot him. however to his defence i will say owning firestorm happened when he just began losing his powers. then he came down to earth and beat the metal man while further losing his powers. all the low showings i stated happened when he was further and extremely depowered. however suddenly he could break the whole time barrier and punch into the future when ever greatly depowered. doesnt make that much sense but oh well... its just like PC Superman i guess.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
yes exactly. he owned a solid herald with a slight breath. he bea tthe entire metal man crew. on the other hand couldnt break the ice cave , couldnt rip off the vent tunnel off the wall, and felt pain when robots shot him. however to his defence i will say owning firestorm happened when he just began losing his powers. then he came down to earth and beat the metal man while further losing his powers. all the low showings i stated happened when he was further and extremely depowered. however suddenly he could break the whole time barrier and punch into the future when ever greatly depowered. doesnt make that much sense but oh well... its just like PC Superman i guess.

IIRC he could still fly when he owned Firestorm. I don't recall how much the Metal Men actually effected him, but I remember they sneak attacked him after he lost the ability to fly. Not sure if you mean the Metal Men or something else by "felt pain when robots shot him." Considering he specifically cited the Fortress defenses, I think it was a lot more than you're making it out to be. When he punched his way through the time barrier, he was using-up what was left of the solar energy from the Super Sun in his cells. In fact you can see he was greatly aged, beforehand the Justice Legion didn't think he could do it, and it was mentioned he was killing himself.

Superman 1 million curbstomps

Originally posted by Delta1938
IIRC he could still fly when he owned Firestorm. I don't recall how much the Metal Men actually effected him, but I remember they sneak attacked him after he lost the ability to fly. Not sure if you mean the Metal Men or something else by "felt pain when robots shot him." Considering he specifically cited the Fortress defenses, I think it was a lot more than you're making it out to be. When he punched his way through the time barrier, he was using-up what was left of the solar energy from the Super Sun in his cells. In fact you can see he was greatly aged, beforehand the Justice Legion didn't think he could do it, and it was mentioned he was killing himself.

thats why i said he was at the begining of his power losing process when owning firestorm. he was still depowered tho.

the metal man were able to effect him slightly he didnt want to fight. but when he said screw it he owned them combined while they were all holding him. and then when they composed themselves into a huge being he raped them.

the robots i mean the robots at the ice fortress. he beat the living hell out of them physically yeah but he felt pain and he stated it.

the ice fortress wasnt a big deal because afterwards in the next panel those mercenaries blust the entire ice cave without much trouble with only their guns so it wasnt anything unique.

basically he was using his last powers and everything he got when punching the time barrier. he doesnt have reserves or something like that. it was simply a fency way to state he is using all powers left in him. and yes it caused him to age but come on. cant break some ice cave entrence that guards blust with easy? but then bruise the time and punch into the future while altering events and sending shocwaves thru the time?

also nice feat from kal

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Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
thats why i said he was at the begining of his power losing process when owning firestorm. he was still depowered tho.

the metal man were able to effect him slightly he didnt want to fight. but when he said screw it he owned them combined while they were all holding him. and then when they composed themselves into a huge being he raped them.

the robots i mean the robots at the ice fortress. he beat the living hell out of them physically yeah but he felt pain and he stated it.

the ice fortress wasnt a big deal because afterwards in the next panel those mercenaries blust the entire ice cave without much trouble with only their guns so it wasnt anything unique.

basically he was using his last powers and everything he got when punching the time barrier. he doesnt have reserves or something like that. it was simply a fency way to state he is using all powers left in him. and yes it caused him to age but come on. cant break some ice cave entrence that guards blust with easy? but then bruise the time and punch into the future while altering events and sending shocwaves thru the time?

I was confirming it was when he could still fly. Also, I disagree on the term "depowered." That seems like you're actually powerless. I prefer the term "weakened," just sayin'.

Yep, he owned them twice after saying he didn't want to hurt them, but he didn't have time.

It's been a while since I read it, but if they were made from Kryptonian tech/designs, Kryptonian technology has shown to be quite powerful on multiple occasions, capable of giving Superman a fight. So that's not necessarily a bad showing considering how weakened he was.

Again, been a while since I read it, but like I pointed-out, that would really only be one bad showing, since the robots very well were more powerful than you think. For all we know he was trying to conserve power.

How does he not have reserves if he was gradually losing his powers? That's the very definition of "reserves." The way you're wording it, he should've been immediately powerless when coming to the 20th century. But he wasn't.

And what? So him gradually turning old from the strain isn't evidence of him using-up his reserves? So basically you're arguing he's inconsistent because you keep bringing-up the one likely legitimate example you've got of him looking bad. While still with most of his power, he owned Firestorm with a casual blow in his direction. While severely weakened, he owned the Metal Men twice(once when they were more powerful than normal), jumped to the Moon, and punched his way through time. You argue because he didn't break through ice, and he was hurt by robots, which very well could be more powerful than you think, as him being "so inconsistent?"

Originally posted by Delta1938
I was confirming it was when he could still fly. Also, I disagree on the term "depowered." That seems like you're actually powerless. I prefer the term "weakened," just sayin'.

Yep, he owned them twice after saying he didn't want to hurt them, but he didn't have time.

It's been a while since I read it, but if they were made from Kryptonian tech/designs, Kryptonian technology has shown to be quite powerful on multiple occasions, capable of giving Superman a fight. So that's not necessarily a bad showing considering how weakened he was.

Again, been a while since I read it, but like I pointed-out, that would really only be one bad showing, since the robots very well were more powerful than you think. For all we know he was trying to conserve power.

How does he not have reserves if he was gradually losing his powers? That's the very definition of "reserves." The way you're wording it, he should've been immediately powerless when coming to the 20th century. But he wasn't.

And what? So him gradually turning old from the strain isn't evidence of him using-up his reserves? So basically you're arguing he's inconsistent because you keep bringing-up the one likely legitimate example you've got of him looking bad. While still with most of his power, he owned Firestorm with a casual blow in his direction. While severely weakened, he owned the Metal Men twice(once when they were more powerful than normal), jumped to the Moon, and punched his way through time. You argue because he didn't break through ice, and he was hurt by robots, which very well could be more powerful than you think, as him being "so inconsistent?"

well its still can be called depowered which means within a loss of power.

yes but once again i am stating that Luthor's man blasted it with their guns and easily, therefor i think it would be false to asume it was reinforced with something hardcore. by the way it looked it wasnt more durable than just a block of ice. because the average guns blasted it to pieces.

it doesnt have anything to do with conserving power. the robots shot him and he felt pain from laser shots, which means his durability was that low. it has nothing to do with saving energy. if you feel the pain than you feel the pain you dont choose to feel pain just to save energy it doesnt even make sense.

well can you provide a scan showing he reserved on stacked up some portion of solar energy in his cells or his boom suit? the only way i see this statement is a fency depiction of the fact he was using all the powers he has left with. however claiming he had some secret solar reserve that he activated and suddenly empowered him to some degree would be unbacked theory.

him getting old is just showing his durability was very low at that point and he was aging with the time flying by. it has nothing to do with energy reservings.

yes and i preety sure anyone will agree with me on that one. being hurt by casual laser shots from robots, unable to break an ice cave, unable to tear off the wall the vent bars. but then beat the hell out of time itself and punch into the future while altering events is inconsistant. if you think he had some hidden reserves of solar energy which he activated please provide the evidence to that. until then he was just inconsistant

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
well its still can be called depowered which means within a loss of power.

yes but once again i am stating that Luthor's man blasted it with their guns and easily, therefor i think it would be false to asume it was reinforced with something hardcore. by the way it looked it wasnt more durable than just a block of ice. because the average guns blasted it to pieces.

it doesnt have anything to do with conserving power. the robots shot him and he felt pain from laser shots, which means his durability was that low. it has nothing to do with saving energy. if you feel the pain than you feel the pain you dont choose to feel pain just to save energy it doesnt even make sense.

well can you provide a scan showing he reserved on stacked up some portion of solar energy in his cells or his boom suit? the only way i see this statement is a fency depiction of the fact he was using all the powers he has left with. however claiming he had some secret solar reserve that he activated and suddenly empowered him to some degree would be unbacked theory.

him getting old is just showing his durability was very low at that point and he was aging with the time flying by. it has nothing to do with energy reservings.

yes and i preety sure anyone will agree with me on that one. being hurt by casual laser shots from robots, unable to break an ice cave, unable to tear off the wall the vent bars. but then beat the hell out of time itself and punch into the future while altering events is inconsistant. if you think he had some hidden reserves of solar energy which he activated please provide the evidence to that. until then he was just inconsistant

So much fail, and I'm too tired right now.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So much fail, and I'm too tired right now.

oh come on now you are taking it personal? if i fail somewhere then show it. other than that no need to be rude on a character discussion.

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
oh come on now you are taking it personal? if i fail somewhere then show it. other than that no need to be rude on a character discussion.

😕 How is saying "so much fail" taking it personally? And for one, you keep saying he doesn't have reserves. If he doesn't have reserves, how does he have powers after being cut off from his power source? Not having reserves would mean he's immediately powerless. Not losing his powers, his powers immediately gone. Completely. Answer that.

Originally posted by Delta1938
😕 How is saying "so much fail" taking it personally? And for one, you keep saying he doesn't have reserves. If he doesn't have reserves, how does he have powers after being cut off from his power source? Not having reserves would mean he's immediately powerless. Not losing his powers, his powers immediately gone. Completely. Answer that.

because he is losing his powers graduately, it was stated so. he doesnt bam lose his powers in a moment, he is extremely powerful being and it takes time to drain him from his power. i think you and me misundertood each other. when you say he used reserves to punch the time barrier what did you mean? did you mean he simply used all he have left in him? or did you mean he has some kind of savings which he activated and restored some of his powers while punching?

Originally posted by RealPizzaBoy
because he is losing his powers graduately, it was stated so. he doesnt bam lose his powers in a moment, he is extremely powerful being and it takes time to drain him from his power. i think you and me misundertood each other. when you say he used reserves to punch the time barrier what did you mean? did you mean he simply used all he have left in him? or did you mean he has some kind of savings which he activated and restored some of his powers while punching?

I don't think you know what energy reserves are.....

Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't think you know what energy reserves are.....

please enlighten me what did you mean with energy reservings. as if its what left in him or reserves he had which he activated and gave him boost