Originally posted by dadudemonLOL, what's so bait worthy about your study?
I can link you the study via PM (I don't want XYZ to win at trolling me). They think the controlled for the stuff you talk about, for the most part.
I don't even need to see it, Epicurus has already told you that "races" are not subspecies or anything similar. It simply doesn't exist in biology.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
LOL, what's so bait worthy about your study?I don't even need to see it, Epicurus has already told you that "races" are not subspecies or anything similar. It simply doesn't exist in biology.
That gent and I had a nice conversation, in private.
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It was quite amazing to have an adult conversation about a sensitive topic in an academic manner. You do not seem capable of doing something like that.
Additionally, I have, from a medical approach, already thwarted your "race doesn't exist" argument, in the past. You even conceded the main point of contention. Did you forget about the last time I disproved your fringe idea?
Originally posted by Epicurus
Of course, there are some instances like a peer of Richard Dawkins who claimed to have done a new research which revealed higher levels of genetic difference than previous similar studies performed, but his work has received a lot of controversy not to mention questions have been raised about the way his study was conducted.
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Indeed. It's too taboo to be seriously considered.
Originally posted by queeq
This tread is getting quite silly. And the posters rather unkind to each other.
Well, everyone is being very respectful to eachother except for XYZ. XYZ has a history of not being able to hold adult conversations with others. Even Epicurus and I, who argue quite a bit in other parts of the board, have checked our egos and focused on the facts.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
Well, you mentioned middle eastern people as being genetically inferior. That's damning a culture, unless you have a different grasp of the English language to me.
Well, I don't like to think I have a better grasp of English than others. But you're not using the word "culture" very well. That's not the word you mean but I think I know what you're trying to say.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
Well, you asked a question, not really made a point. You're suggesting that BECAUSE Bonobos and Chimps have different genetics despite being able to produce fertile offspring and one is more peaceful, then it's a genetic argument for violence, and it could be compared to different (I'll have to say this) "races" of the human species for example, middle eastern people (even though other moronic racists don't even consider middle easterns as a race, but no one can come up with a consistent list of "races"😉 as more aggressive and violent ignoring the culture, climate, the entire ****ing religious wars that this thread even debates and the fact that they're more hated than the United States.
Well, I can understand why you are so violently opposing what I'm saying: you haven't properly grasped what I'm saying and have taken quite a few liberties in interpretation (such as adding things).
Others seem to understand my point, just fine. So I am not worried about your confusions.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
You're basically asking: "I wonder if biologists can find a genetic disposition among different races being more violent?"
No, that's not what I'm saying. I looked for the word "race" in my original comments on that topic and I'm just not finding it. Maybe you should start there and then work your way up into understanding my words. It is not a very complicated idea because it has already been partially studied so I won't belittle you and explain it to you like you're a toddler.
Since I've pointed out what seems to be the central problem in your understanding of my words, we can probably move on. I don't need you to apologize or even admit you were wrong: I'm not that petty.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
I understand your opinions on politics,
Based on your replies to me where you try to explain my positions back to me, you really do not understand some of my positions and opinions.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
I had to reread that, you refer to my interests in the first sentence, then to me in the second sentence. GRAMMAR FAIL.
I'll spell it out for your so it is simpler to understand (now I will talk to you like a toddler...I apologize but it is the only way I can break this down any simpler):
[1]If I respected you and [2]thought your interests in this topic were sincerem [3]I might humor you. [1]I don't, [2]you're not, [3]so I won't.
[1]If I respected you - I do not respect you.
[2]If I thought your interests in this topic were sincere - You're not sincere.
[3]I might humor you - I will not humor you.
I color-coded and numbered them for you. 🙂
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Do they have brown people where you live, dadudeman?
I do. Lots. Many kinds.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
He lives in Oklohama so I believe the Mormons banished them for not having souls.
Your ignorance is showing. Oklahoma is a very anti-Mormon state. Very unfriendly to Mormons.
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Originally posted by Raisen
nobody has reasonably disputed DDM yet.
people are letting their sensitivity to perceived racism override these facts. that sucks.
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Indeed. This is also why it cannot be readily studied in the academic community: fear of being de-funded or de-credentialed. No one wants to be the laughing stock of their peers in the academic community.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
One of the whackier/funnier racist scientist:
Franz Ignaz Pruner (1808–1882) was a medical doctor who studied the racial structure of Negroes in Egypt. In a book which he wrote in 1846 he claimed that Negro blood had a negative influence on the Egyptian moral character. He published a monograph on Negroes in 1861. He claimed that the main feature of the Negro's skeleton is prognathism, which he claimed was the Negro's relation to the ape. He also claimed that Negroes had very similar brains to apes and that Negros have a shortened big toe, which is a characteristic connecting Negroes closely to apes.
Originally posted by Robtard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racismOne of the whackier/funnier racist scientist:
Franz Ignaz Pruner (1808–1882) was a medical doctor who studied the racial structure of Negroes in Egypt. In a book which he wrote in 1846 he claimed that Negro blood had a negative influence on the Egyptian moral character. He published a monograph on Negroes in 1861. He claimed that the main feature of the Negro's skeleton is prognathism, which he claimed was the Negro's relation to the ape. He also claimed that Negroes had very similar brains to apes and that Negros have a shortened big toe, which is a characteristic connecting Negroes closely to apes.
Sounds accurate.
Those dang Negroes and their poisonous blood. Voodoo and witchcraft, I tell yas.
Originally posted by RobtardNo more than you bash Hamas. That's the problem. I don't have delusions about Hamas, while most people seem to be delusional about Israel. Every time someone mentions "peace in the Middle East" for most people it only means peace for Israel. Situation in Palestine is a thousand times worse yet its barely acknowledged by anyone. Because screw them, according to the media they're all terrorists anyway. And Israel has the right to defend itself from them.. while it continues to invade their territory. You're getting invaded and bombed so naturally... you are the problem and it's on you to stop this violence. And no one seems to have a problem with that logic. A husband beats up his wife and instead of dealing with him people give her some tips on how to be a better wife in order to avoid taking another beating. A rough analogy but it's basically that. And God forbid someone points how messed up it is you're instantly labeled "anti-Semitic" or in this case just "bashing". Because normal rules and common sense do not apply to Israel.
You don't want to have a discussion, you just want to bash Israel it seems.It is "very noble" of Israel considering their enemy wants them eradicated, if we compare the two.
While I don't know exactly what Israel would do if Palestine smashed Hamas as I'm not a seer (will be soon though), it would be a step towards a possible peace and compromise between Israel and Palestine and it would definitely put Israel in the spotlight for being the one that has to push for an equal peace solution.
Tell me, what's your solution? Since you think mine of Palestine breaking itself free of Hamas as a first step is terrible.
Nobility has nothing to do with the fact they are not nuking the area. You know it as well as I do, not even going to address that.
I don't believe it will solve anything. More settlements will be built, more people get killed and eventually another organization will take Hamas' place and start firing missiles at Israel. I do believe that both sides need to compromise, but peace will never be achieved without a third party. And right now the only state that has the power and influence to do something about it is basically saying "screw those rag-heads" and that's not changing regardless of what Palestinians do, therefore they will never compromise knowing that it will lead to them living under the same inhumane conditions or more likely in worse ones seeing how new settlements are still being built despite the several UN resolutions. So until Palestinians' rights for the land (not to mention their basic human rights they're being constantly denied) are recognized as well as israeli's there will be no compromises.
But the Palestinian's claims for land far extends the border of the West-Bank and Gaza. And they want that just as bad as the dismantlement of the settlements.
Besides, seen the picture of the tunnels Israel is destroying: long, intricate, well crafted concrete tunnel system with electricity everywhere? Costing millions and millions of dollars while their population is short on food, water etc.
Everywhere you look in this conflict, everything is convoluted and weird.
Like I said I have no delusions about Hamas. They can claim whatever they want, there are UN established boarders. And while Palestinians only claim for land Israel is actually taking it by force. To this day and is not planning to stop any time soon. Imagine for one second how the world would react if the roles were reversed. You'd hear words like "apartheid" and "genocide" thrown in every mass media before the inevitable interference into the conflict one day later.
Originally posted by SamZED
And while Palestinians only claim for land Israel is actually taking it by force.
Errr... I think all the terrorist activities from 1964 (the year PLO was founded) have been about getting land from Israel by force. As early as 1948 the surrounding countries used force to destroy Israel. But Israel has had more force in the last 50 years.
Originally posted by queeqI don't follow you. I was talking about the recognition of Palestinians right to the land based on the UN resolutions adopted after 1964.
Errr... I think all the terrorist activities from 1964 (the year PLO was founded) have been about getting land from Israel by force. As early as 1948 the surrounding countries used force to destroy Israel. But Israel has had more force in the last 50 years.
Originally posted by SamZED
I don't follow you. I was talking about the recognition of Palestinians right to the land based on the UN resolutions adopted after 1964.
You were saying the Palestinians only CLAIM for land and that Israel is taking it by force.
Besides the Palestinians don't recognise Israel either, recognising the 1948 UN resolution. Both sides do what they blame the other side for doing. The only difference is that Israel has a much bigger and stronger army. But even that doesn't bring a resolution closer. Only further away.
And that is what I am saying: the situation there is completely screwed and both sides are to blame.
Would you recognize a country who is actively invading you because they consider themselves owners of your land? Which frontiers would define that country?
I know some arab political leaders go too far as far as their anti-Israel speeches go -not to recognize Israel is a nod in that direction-. But those harsh speeches aren't genocide, placing blame on one, both sides, the US, Europe or the saiyan... Would we even care about this battle if a professional army wasn't bombing civilians on a regular basis now?