Originally posted by dadudemon
I would like to see a current and rooted Android phone that has had the bloatware removed. 🙂But, the video comparison is more real world because the vast majority of users are not going to root their android phone and remove crap.
I'd like to see a Moto X (2nd Gen) and the next Nexus when it is announced, compared to an iPhone 6 Plus. That'd be interesting. And yeah, you are right about this being more of a real life test for most people.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The test shows that the iPhone is actually better at stacking apps in RAM, even though it has less of it. It has to reload fewer apps than the other two, and that's partly why it picks off much faster. The only thing that had to be reloaded (i.e. was not in RAM) was the tab in the browser (and that was the case for the S5 and the M8 as well)
That test he does is designed quite well, imo.
He's going through enough apps that it should push the hefty RAM-having phones past their limit. That way, the Android phones don't get an advantage of being able to load up the same app that is still in RAM.
Shrink the number of things being opened down to 1/3 that amount and then the Android phones, due to their RAM, get an unfair advantage such as the browser tab still being open.
On my Note 3, it seems to be able to hold 3-4 apps before it starts "shutting" them down. This includes games, browsers, and image apps.
This video seems to be more accurate. Instead of a skinny-fat hipster who has probably never done something strenuous in his life, we get a normal guy who describes himself as "skinny." Seems to bend quite easily. I think how flimsy these things are is actually being downplayed by the Apple community. I think it's worse than we thought (at least what I thought). Also, he flips the phone around so that the bending is not focused on the identified "structural weakness" to dispel any people crying foul:
I'll be skipping this generation of iPhones. Hopefully, next year, they release a more durable product.
It's hard to compare, if he doesn't do it to any other phones.
Either way, it seems pretty clear that it is not a real problem in practice, sure, if you are in the habit of trying to bend your phone on purpose in your hands, you probably won't want it.
I mean, we'll see in the long run, they probably sold like 20 million of them already, but I am pretty convinced it's just not a real problem.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's hard to compare, if he doesn't do it to any other phones.
I tried it with my Note 3: it didn't come close to budging. Since my Note 3 has had plenty of rides in my pocket, without bending, I'll call it good. The Note 3 is the only phone it took 2 months to get the cover for: no issues. I did order the cover the same day I got the phone but some shit yadda yadda, took a while to get the cover.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Either way, it seems pretty clear that it is not a real problem in practice, sure, if you are in the habit of trying to bend your phone on purpose in your hands, you probably won't want it.
I'm thinking bending in pockets is more of the issue, here.
http://9to5mac.com/2014/09/30/bendgate/
Originally posted by Bardock42
I mean, we'll see in the long run, they probably sold like 20 million of them already, but I am pretty convinced it's just not a real problem.
I mean, since they are literally bending in people's pockets (this is how this got started: users reporting it bent in their pockets and then that dude made that super hi-res video that started bendgate), it's not a readily dismiss-able problem. It is an issue. People need to buy a sturdy cover. 😄
Originally posted by Bardock42
Like I said, doesn't seem to be a problem in practice. I mean 9 people out of 10 million, is negligible.
The video in that news article from that Mac blog contends that 9 number thing (that is is clearly a PR lie from Apple...unlikely Apple will open up their case records to the public). Well, probably because far more than 9 people had reported bending in their phones in various comments before bendgate broke with that video.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You'll definitely be fine with a case, and almost certainly be fine without one.
I'll still wait. This phone of mine will definitely last one more year. It still works like a champ. The iPhone 6s + should be an awesome phone. And I bet you Apple is going to make that mother-f*cker a tank. 😄
But, yeah, I was hoping for a good phone from Apple. This one is a skipper.
Did you get the new iPhone 6? I think you did...didn't you?
Well, we'll see, but lets be honest, the iPhone 6 and 6 Pus will, again, sell more phones than any other did before, that's already pretty clear. I assume we'll look back on the silliness of "bendgate" like we do with "antennagate", "mapgate" and "scuffgate"...it's just the new thing that journalists love to tout, because an "Apple is doomed" story sells, but probably won't hurt sales at all, might even help them, free advertising.
I don't think Apple will react much, they made their choice in tradeoffs, and aluminium, thinness and lightness is what they want, that it makes it more bendable is probably a trade off they are willing to make, especially cause it has almost no real life consequences.
I did get the iPhone 6 on launch day. It's awesome. Definitely the best phone on the market right now (2nd is the iPhone 6 Plus and 3rd is the iPhone 5S, Android really didn't catch up to the 5S in the last year 😛 )
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, we'll see, but lets be honest, the iPhone 6 and 6 Pus will, again, sell more phones than any other did before, that's already pretty clear.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I did get the iPhone 6 on launch day. It's awesome. Definitely the best phone on the market right now (2nd is the iPhone 6 Plus and 3rd is the iPhone 5S, Android really didn't catch up to the 5S in the last year 😛 )
Oh man, so true, I would love a phone in the 4th Gen iPod Touch casing!
The iPod Touch 5th Gen, afaik, is made from the same aluminium as the new iPhones (and the Macs), it is also prone to the same bending btw (but, again, that also didn't and doesn't matter in real world usage).
The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus is very similar to the 5th Gen iPod.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I think your assessment of why people choose Apple is simplistic and betrays a lack of understanding of the market.And yeah, there's some Android phones that have better specs in some aspects, but that doesn't make them better experience wise (btw, that spec sheet has a lot of mistakes on it).
My wife loves the shit out of the iPhone. She loves the UI and the features. They just click with her, for some reason. It has nothing to do with "appearances." She can buy any phone she wants (except for those million dollar jewel encrusted phones). She prefers the iPhone. She's completely oblivious to "fashion" trends related to phones. She doesn't even know if it is popular or not. She still likes the iPhone. I think my wife is a very common consumer of iPhones. Apples makes a good product with an intuitive interface with great features. The phone is perfect for her. 🙂
I am getting her the 6+ around December 25th.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Maybe Apple will address this problem with the release of iPhone 6S/+.
Yup. That's what I'm going to do. Based on what Apple has done in the past, they will probably make a very sturdy phone for the 6S and the 6S+.
Interesting discussion you guys were leading, read it all 😄. I agree that the problem with the bent housing is made to be a big deal which, in reality, it won't be for most users.
Marius, I remember you to be sceptical towards the Apple device family. We had a discussion on the MacBook Pro once. Now I'm on Android and you're a hardcore iPhone fan. Whatever happened? 😄
Originally posted by Bardock42
More on the Apple Watch: http://www.ablogtowatch.com/apple-watch-hands-on-review/Really interesting piece. And the guy who wrote it was also on a podcast (which is also very interesting)
http://www.resolvepodcast.com/episodes/2014/9/30/apple-watch-the-21st-century-wristwatch
I'm getting really excited about the Apple Watch.
I'll have to disagree here, though. Apple didn't live up to the expectations at all. I think the mediocre market response to the last Keynote largely arose from the disappointment with the Apple Watch.
Apple has a reputation of taking an existing device class, filling it with new ideas and making it attractive to the mass market. The Apple Watch didn't quite nail it, though. It's still a device without a clear purpose as it doesn't really do anything your phone doesn't already do. It's also pretty useless without a phone you're carrying around. So that's really "meh".
What really kills it for me is the design though. In my opinion, it looks clunky, bulky. It's not really any better looking than the Samsung watches of gen. 2 or 3. It may use more high-class materials but that's about it. The design really lacks a key feature of a smartwatch. It's supposed to be a fashion article. It's a watch, you'll always carry it visibly.
And matching it against the new generation Android smartwatch counterparts, it looks rather dull, really. The LG G Watch R, despite its terrible name, is much sexier and looks like something you'd much rather wear to a suit.
imho, Apple should have waited a little longer and created a device that has its own, unique features, and maybe a round display would've helped as well. It's what I had expected from them, not this mediocre tech toy.
Originally posted by eezy45
Interesting discussion you guys were leading, read it all 😄. I agree that the problem with the bent housing is made to be a big deal which, in reality, it won't be for most users.
Marius, I remember you to be sceptical towards the Apple device family. We had a discussion on the MacBook Pro once. Now I'm on Android and you're a hardcore iPhone fan. Whatever happened? 😄
Yeah, I used to be very skeptical of Apple. In particular I thought their iPods just weren't worth it, compared to offerings by Creative or Cowon. For me it changed when I got the 4th Gen iPod Touch, I still think that is the best value consumer gadget ever made, probably by a large margin. To be fair, from the iPhone 4 onwards Apple added a lot of things that made the trade offs much more appealing to me as well.
With the Macs though, even more so than with the other devices, my dislike really stemmed from ignorance regarding it, and believing the "overpriced" tropes without questioning them.
Originally posted by eezy45
I'll have to disagree here, though. Apple didn't live up to the expectations at all. I think the mediocre market response to the last Keynote largely arose from the disappointment with the Apple Watch.
Apple has a reputation of taking an existing device class, filling it with new ideas and making it attractive to the mass market. The Apple Watch didn't quite nail it, though. It's still a device without a clear purpose as it doesn't really do anything your phone doesn't already do. It's also pretty useless without a phone you're carrying around. So that's really "meh".What really kills it for me is the design though. In my opinion, it looks clunky, bulky. It's not really any better looking than the Samsung watches of gen. 2 or 3. It may use more high-class materials but that's about it. The design really lacks a key feature of a smartwatch. It's supposed to be a fashion article. It's a watch, you'll always carry it visibly.
And matching it against the new generation Android smartwatch counterparts, it looks rather dull, really. The LG G Watch R, despite its terrible name, is much sexier and looks like something you'd much rather wear to a suit.imho, Apple should have waited a little longer and created a device that has its own, unique features, and maybe a round display would've helped as well. It's what I had expected from them, not this mediocre tech toy.
I can see what you mean, the presentation was very unfocussed, and they didn't yet clearly answer the why ("Why do we even need smartwatches"😉, though, to be fair, it's earlier than usual. They might reveal a more clear vision when it comes out in a couple months. On the other hand, it really does a lot, considerably more than any other smartwatch offering (and according to Apple they haven't even shown everything yet). It seems to me like this is an actual attempt to make something that could replace the phone as the center of computing (as it has become for many people) in a couple generations.
Hmm, well, tastes are definitely different. I find it actually a very beautiful design, far above any of the competition. Comparing it to the Moto G for example, the Android watch looks like a toy to me. It is hefty, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, I think.