Scourge and Wrath vs Exar Kun and Darth Malgus · Star Wars Versus Forum

Selenial I Choose Violence

Also, why are we using Game mechanics here?

If you go into Malgus alone, he greets you by name, which very well means he could have only been bested in Single combat.

Noting of course that he's ****ing easy to Solo >_>

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Even if this point actually mattered, Orgus was turned over by the Twi'leks. They all ambushed him.

You mean Flesh Raiders?

I don't think even a bunch of Flesh Raiders would be sufficient to stop Jedi Master Orgus Din. Bengel Morr was the real threat to him.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You need to think. Slaying thousands of mooks and no names doesn't stack to in game showings. And considering Act II HoT's greatest feat is defeating someone well below Revan in raw power, I'm not sure how you made that conclusion.

Lord Scourge actually had immense potential in the Force which other prominent Force-users sensed in him, potential that Lord Scourge successfully tapped during his time as Emperor's Wrath I.

You have incredible potential. (Darth Nyriss)

Revan had sensed the Force in him; he had incredible potential. (Jedi Master Revan)

Emperor's Wrath I is a different ballgame then young Lord Scourge who met Jedi Master Revan. Emperor Vitiate performed experiments on Lord Scourge to transform him into an extremely powerful warrior, a warrior who was strong enough to serve as Emperor's personal executioner and not be susceptible to negative effects/decline that comes with aging.

There was only one Scourge, his life prolonged by Sith Alchemy, and his battle prowess enhanced by the Emperor. (TOR Encyclopedia)

Therefore, you cannot realistically claim that Emperor's Wrath I is far below Revan. Emperor's Wrath I is likely about Darth Nyriss and a good match for Revan, IMO. He is legitimately among the most powerful Sith to have ever existed.

Also, you think that Emperor Vitiate would use his personal executioner to target mooks?

When a Jedi grew too powerful or a Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat. (TOR Encyclopedia)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yep, for some reason I keep replying to your wanking of people with your only justification of their power being the era they were born in and their kill count, even when said kill count doesn't have any judge of skill, power levels, or even number during each confrontation.

I don't blindly wank TOR era characters by virtue of my liking of the era in general. I have studied TOR content books, played the game and connected the dots properly from all available revelations to formulate an understanding of the ground realities of TOR era.

You have no idea of how good Emperor's Wrath I is and yet you claim to be a supporter of Emperor's Wrath in debates. Most important thing for you is to have complete knowledge of whom you choose debate in favor for.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not that impressive, especially considering the amount of time he's been alive. In an age where you could through a cat and hit a Jedi or Sith.

Not that impressive?

Tell me the kill count of Jedi Master Yoda (excluding shitty droids). Age is irrelevant, great power and combat prowess of Emperor's Wrath I is apparent from his phenomenal combat record. An ordinary individual cannot kill over a thousand Jedi and Sith and live to tell the tale, let alone, have such an impressive kill count.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And? The number of Jedi he's killed means shit when he can't compete with the powerhouses before their primes.
What has the Wrath done to be on Kun or Malgus' level? The Wrath couldn't solo Malgus either, and Kun is well above Malgus.

He can't compete with the powerhouses before their primes?

ENTIRE GENERATIONS of the Sith Dark Council have passed under the watchful eyes of the Emperor's personal executioner, the grim Lord Scourge. As the feared "Emperor's Wrath." Scourge enforced his Master's will for more then three centuries. When a Jedi grew to powerful and Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat. (TOR Encyclopedia)

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Exar Kun is well above Darth Malgus? This keeps on getting interesting.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Selenial
You realise Scourge lived for 300 years right?
That's 3.3 Sith or Jedi per year.
What an Impressive record 🙄

This makes no sense.

Emperor's Wrath I survived in over a thousand battles against Jedi and Sith and slaughtered most of his enemies/targets in return. Is this not an indication of his extreme power and combat ability?

Age is irrelevant argument. An individual can be over a thousand years old and have 0 kill count or may not be able to take on a single Jedi.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]You mean Flesh Raiders?

No.

I don't think even a bunch of Flesh Raiders would be sufficient to stop Jedi Master Orgus Din. Bengel Morr was the real threat to him.

And soliders have never, ever, ever, ever, ever overwhelmed Jedi when they are caught by surprise. Oh wait... Then again those Jedi didn't live in the Era of Awesomeness.

Lord Scourge actually had immense potential in the Force which other prominent Force-users sensed in him, potential that Lord Scourge successfully tapped during his time as Emperor's Wrath I.
You have incredible potential. (Darth Nyriss)
Revan had sensed the Force in him; he had incredible potential. (Jedi Master Revan)

This is said to literally every person with a name in Star Wars.

Emperor's Wrath I is a different ballgame then young Lord Scourge who met Jedi Master Revan. Emperor Vitiate performed experiments on Lord Scourge to transform him into an extremely powerful warrior, a warrior who was strong enough to serve as Emperor's personal executioner and not be susceptible to negative effects/decline that comes with aging.

And he still lost to an opponent before his/her prime. Badly. An opponent who was not on Malgus' or Kun's level when the encounter happened.

There was only one Scourge, his life prolonged by Sith Alchemy, and his battle prowess enhanced by the Emperor. (TOR Encyclopedia)
Therefore, you cannot realistically claim that Emperor's Wrath I is far below Revan. Emperor's Wrath I is likely about Darth Nyriss and a good match for Revan, IMO. He is legitimately among the most powerful Sith to have ever existed.

I'm sorry....what? That's some of the most awful reasoning I have ever heard. None of those things put him on anyone's level on their own. Also Nyriss was not a match for Revan by a long shot.

Also, you think that Emperor Vitiate would use his personal executioner to target mooks?

Yes.

When a Jedi grew too powerful or a Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat. (TOR Encyclopedia)

That doesn't make them powerhouses anymore than saying, "The Force is strong in you," means you're a powerhouse. In fact, that sentence says that before anyone could become a threat, Scourge was sent to kill them.

I don't blindly wank TOR era characters by virtue of my liking of the era in general. I have studied TOR content books, played the game and connected the dots properly from all available revelations to formulate an understanding of the ground realities of TOR era.

Okay. It's not my place to argue your delusions. You're obviously happy in this world where everything was better, but then somehow got worse because reasons. Far be it from me to tell you to leave it.

You have no idea of how good Emperor's Wrath I is and yet you claim to be a supporter of Emperor's Wrath in debates. Most important thing for you is to have complete knowledge of whom you choose debate in favor for.

I don't have to support a character just because I like them anymore than I have to support how good a character is based on their age and corporal state.

Not that impressive?
Tell me the kill count of Jedi Master Yoda (excluding shitty droids). Age is irrelevant, great power and combat prowess of Emperor's Wrath I is apparent from his phenomenal combat record. An ordinary individual cannot kill over a thousand Jedi and Sith and live to tell the tale, let alone, have such an impressive kill count.

They can when they get to live as the Emperor's personal assassin for 300 years. And Yoda's kill count of mooks is irrelevant. I judge him by displaces of power, especially in one sitting, not the number of droids he's destroyed.

He can't compete with the powerhouses before their primes?
ENTIRE GENERATIONS of the Sith Dark Council have passed under the watchful eyes of the Emperor's personal executioner, the grim Lord Scourge. As the feared "Emperor's Wrath." Scourge enforced his Master's will for more then three centuries. When a Jedi grew to powerful and Sith too ambitious, Scourge eliminated the threat. (TOR Encyclopedia)

And still lost to the HoT, who is by no means a god of the saber at this point in the story. I'm not sure how you don't understand this. You can keep spaming that mastabatory quote for Scourge as many times as you want. It won't change anything.

Exar Kun is well above Darth Malgus? This keeps on getting interesting.

To be fair, Kun didn't get to breath the same air as Vitiate, my bad.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Kun is above Malgus due to superior force ability, as duelists they're probably equal more or less or at the very least on the same tier.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No.
And soliders have never, ever, ever, ever, ever overwhelmed Jedi when they are caught by surprise. Oh wait... Then again those Jedi didn't live in the Era of Awesomeness.

Do you have proof for your claim that Jedi Master Orgus Din was overwhelmed in an ambush?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This is said to literally every person with a name in Star Wars.

Sweeping generalization

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And he still lost to an opponent before his/her prime. Badly. An opponent who was not on Malgus' or Kun's level when the encounter happened.

Hint: "You are the Jedi's finest."

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm sorry....what? That's some of the most awful reasoning I have ever heard. None of those things put him on anyone's level on their own. Also Nyriss was not a match for Revan by a long shot.

My point is that Lord Scourge became more powerful during his reign as Emperor's Wrath, much more powerful since he monitored even the Dark Council.

I mistakenly wrote about, I believe that Emperor's Wrath surpassed Darth Nyriss.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes.

Amazing counter-argument. If your plan is to exchange jokes, let me know.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That doesn't make them powerhouses anymore than saying, "The Force is strong in you," means you're a powerhouse. In fact, that sentence says that before anyone could become a threat, Scourge was sent to kill them.

When a Jedi grew too powerful = powerful Jedi in plain and simple terms.

As far as Sith are concerned, Emperor's Wrath monitored all Sith in the Empire.

Emperor's Wrath is one of the most demanding and risky roles in the Empire. Only Sith of great power can perform this role.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Okay. It's not my place to argue your delusions. You're obviously happy in this world where everything was better, but then somehow got worse because reasons. Far be it from me to tell you to leave it.

My delusions?

Sith went in to decline after the fall of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire and end result was Brotherhood of Darkness. Then Darth Bane arrived, ended the Brotherhood of Darkness and created a new Sith Order which would make Sith strong again, this improvement continued till Darth Sidious. After this powerful Sith emerged on periodical basis.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't have to support a character just because I like them anymore than I have to support how good a character is based on their age and corporal state.

How can you even debate in favor of a character without adequate knowledge of the character's ground realities and capabilities? You cannot and your attempts would be feeble.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They can when they get to live as the Emperor's personal assassin for 300 years. And Yoda's kill count of mooks is irrelevant. I judge him by displaces of power, especially in one sitting, not the number of droids he's destroyed.

You are not making any sense here.

You do realize that Emperor's Wrath I was not immune or omnipotent, right? His life was at stake in every battle in the same way as that of his opponents.

The fact that Emperor's Wrath managed to kill so many Sith and powerful Jedi is testament to his enormous power and extraordinary combat prowess.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And still lost to the HoT, who is by no means a god of the saber at this point in the story. I'm not sure how you don't understand this. You can keep spaming that mastabatory quote for Scourge as many times as you want. It won't change anything.

Really?

HoT had subdued Lord Praven earlier, a Sith Lord who have history of defeating one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order in its history during the Sacking of Coruscant event.

I suggest that you refresh your knowledge with this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t586426.html

HoT wasn't lacking in abilities at the time of end of Act II, don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
To be fair, Kun didn't get to breath the same air as Vitiate, my bad.

Darth Sidious acknowledged Darth Malgus as one of his most powerful predecessors and also noted that the latter's battlefield feats have never been duplicated. I am sure that Darth Sidious would have known about Exar Kun as well.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you have proof for your claim that Jedi Master Orgus Din was overwhelmed in an ambush?

Play the game.

Sweeping generalization

Not really.

Hint: "You are the Jedi's finest."

What is with you and taking hyperbolic statements as fact? Unless they show it at the time, then that statement means nothing.

My point is that Lord Scourge became more powerful during his reign as Emperor's Wrath, much more powerful since he monitored even the Dark Council.

Your point as no basis. While Scourge is more powerful, you don't know by how much. You're just making statements based on nothing but your opinions.

I mistakenly wrote about, I believe that Emperor's Wrath surpassed Darth Nyriss.

Based on?

Amazing counter-argument. If your plan is to exchange jokes, let me know.

What's there to joke about? Why wouldn't the Emperor send his "personal enforcer" to enforce his will? It's kind of in the job description.

When a Jedi grew too powerful = powerful Jedi in plain and simple terms.

No it doesn't. Why would you wait until they were powerful when you could nip the bud while it's growing?

As far as Sith are concerned, Emperor's Wrath monitored all Sith in the Empire.

And?

Emperor's Wrath is one of the most demanding and risky roles in the Empire. Only Sith of great power can perform this role.

There have only been two of them, both used because of the opportunity. You don't get to set standards, LeGenD. The most opportunistic, not the most powerful Sith, is used.

My delusions?
Sith went in to decline after the fall of the reconstituted ancient Sith Empire and end result was Brotherhood of Darkness. Then Darth Bane arrived, ended the Brotherhood of Darkness and created a new Sith Order which would make Sith strong again, this improvement continued till Darth Sidious. After this powerful Sith emerged on periodical basis.

Um, no. While the Sith as a whole declined, tech, Force power(which has nothing to do with organization strength), and skill did not. The Sith as a whole undoubtedly improved under Bane's Rule of Two. The idea that the galaxy as a whole also became weaker for some reason is also ludicrous.

How can you even debate in favor of a character without adequate knowledge of the character's ground realities and capabilities? You cannot and your attempts would be feeble.

I wouldn't know, but you seem to be doing a fine job of it, so I think I'll manage.

You are not making any sense here.
You do realize that Emperor's Wrath I was not immune or omnipotent, right? His life was at stake in every battle in the same way as that of his opponents.
The fact that Emperor's Wrath managed to kill so many Sith and powerful Jedi is testament to his enormous power and extraordinary combat prowess.

No it isn't. It's a testament to how long he lived. He had ample to reach the almighty kill count you keep attributing to him. If he had done that in a life time, sure, it'd be amazing. It wouldn't be a testament to his power, but it'd be amazing. In this situation, it is neither. Power comes from display, not number. Quality over quantity. Here, he has one, but not proof of the former.

Really?
HoT had subdued Lord Praven earlier, a Sith Lord who have history of defeating one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order in its history during the Sacking of Coruscant event.
I suggest that you refresh your knowledge with this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t586426.html
HoT wasn't lacking in abilities at the time of end of Act II, don't be ridiculous.

I suggest you don't tell me what to catch up on when you hardly know what you're talking about yourself. I've played through the HoT's story a few times now. S/he still has limitations, limitations that Malgus is able to exploit well after their first confrontation with the Emperor. The fact that you keep ignoring that and trying to hide behind a respect thread, which are made to show only the strengths of characters not their weaknesses, is proof enough that you can't get past the fact that Scourge is not on Malgus' level, when Malgus was able to contend with a more powerful version, plus three of the galaxies finest. well after the HoT stomped Scourge.

Darth Sidious acknowledged Darth Malgus as one of his most powerful predecessors and also noted that the latter's battlefield feats have never been duplicated. I am sure that Darth Sidious would have known about Exar Kun as well.

I'm sorry, what did this prove? Malgus acknowledges Exar Kun as a true Sith, and many Sith put him above Malgus, since we're using that instead of feats as proof of power.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

I'm sorry, what did this prove? Malgus acknowledges Exar Kun as a true Sith, and many Sith put him above Malgus, since we're using that instead of feats as proof of power.

When was this?

NewGuy01 perpetual

He didn't.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

I didn't think so.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by carthage
When was this?

It's made apparent that the Sith make big deal out of Kun during the Wrath's story on Korriban. While it's possible Malgus is the odd one out, I doubt it.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's made apparent that the Sith make big deal out of Kun during the Wrath's story on Korriban. While it's possible Malgus is the odd one out, I doubt it.

Really?

I know they discuss Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow's combat abilities during the AC choosing discussion, didn't know Kun was mentioned at all.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Someone calls Wrath the 'second coming of Exar kun" or something like that iirc

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Selenial
Really?
I know they discuss Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow's combat abilities during the AC choosing discussion, didn't know Kun was mentioned at all.

Something about the Wrath being super powerful and people thinking he's the second coming of Exar Kun. It's passing dialogue.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Play the game.

I have played Jedi Knight story up to level 50 content.

Orgus Din is depicted laying on the feet of Bengel Morr, indicating the two had a confrontation. Details of this confrontation have not been provided.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not really.

Start making a list.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What is with you and taking hyperbolic statements as fact? Unless they show it at the time, then that statement means nothing.

Did you play the game?

Emperor's Wrath and Hero of Tython fought each other before the latter's confrontation with Emperor.

When Hero of Tython subdued Emperor's Wrath, it was at this moment that the latter revealed/acknowledged that he have never met a warrior as good as Hero of Tython from the Jedi Order.

Keep in mind that Emperor's Wrath have history with many Jedi including Revan and Surik.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your point as no basis. While Scourge is more powerful, you don't know by how much. You're just making statements based on nothing but your opinions.

You serious?

This guy went from getting pwned by a Dark Council member in a battle to monitoring generations of Dark Council members, such was his magnitude of progression and increase in power. Emperor himself performed experiments on his Wrath to improve him in all aspects, it was a necessary development.

As the Sith Emperor's personal executioner, the grimly fatalistic Lord Scourge has personally killed more than a hundred Jedi–and ten times as many Sith. Even the most powerful members of the Dark Council avoid offending the man bearing the title "the Emperor’s Wrath." (TOR codex entry)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Based on?

Common sense

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
What's there to joke about? Why wouldn't the Emperor send his "personal enforcer" to enforce his will? It's kind of in the job description.

Emperor does not needs to send his Wrath to deal with mooks who pose no threat to his plans and existence, wastage of time. Emperor dispatched his Wrath to deal with Jedi and Sith whom he identified as a threat to his plans and existence.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it doesn't. Why would you wait until they were powerful when you could nip the bud while it's growing?

You cannot understand simple English?

The Jedi were carefully observed and those were neutralized who became strong and ambitious enough to be identified as a threat to Emperor's plans.

Why would Wrath deal with mere padawans/younglings? You think that Wrath visited Jedi academies and Temples to kill a bunch of padawans now and then?

I advice use of common sense.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And?

To identify potential threats to Emperor's plans and existence within the Empire as well. Those Sith who grew too ambitious, Wrath dealt with them.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
There have only been two of them, both used because of the opportunity. You don't get to set standards, LeGenD. The most opportunistic, not the most powerful Sith, is used.

Do you even understand the purpose of Emperor's Wrath? I guess not.

Let us consider the example of Emperor's Wrath II. Why do you think he killed Darth Baras? Because Darth Baras became too ambitious and a threat to Emperor's plans and existence. Darth Baras was responsible for trapping Emperor on Voss.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Um, no. While the Sith as a whole declined, tech, Force power(which has nothing to do with organization strength), and skill did not. The Sith as a whole undoubtedly improved under Bane's Rule of Two. The idea that the galaxy as a whole also became weaker for some reason is also ludicrous.

Did you read Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction properly?

Brotherhood Sith had abandoned the philosophies of ancients that ensured production of quality Sith. They also stopped focusing on ancient sources of knowledge to hone their talents in the dark side. This is why Darth Bane began to despise them, when he started digging in to ancient secrets out of curiosity. In-fact, Darth Bane found just (Darth) Revan having greater knowledge of dark arts then the entire Brotherhood combined. Darth Bane began to hone his talents in the dark arts by studying Revan's holocron, that knowledge served him well when he confronted Kas'im and on other occasions.

Kas'im was the only individual who was legit in combat prowess in the entire Brotherhood. Other Sith were weaklings as apparent from how easily Darth Bane choked one of the most senior Lords of Brotherhood to death.

Darth Bane decided to eliminate entire Brotherhood and start fresh with proper emphasis on Sith ideals to make Sith stronger once again like they used to be in ancient times.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I wouldn't know, but you seem to be doing a fine job of it, so I think I'll manage.

I hope that this discussion open your eyes. You didn't know much about Emperor's Wrath until this discussion and you also demonstrated lack of knowledge in other areas.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it isn't. It's a testament to how long he lived. He had ample to reach the almighty kill count you keep attributing to him. If he had done that in a life time, sure, it'd be amazing. It wouldn't be a testament to his power, but it'd be amazing. In this situation, it is neither. Power comes from display, not number. Quality over quantity. Here, he has one, but not proof of the former.

So much misconception and low-balling in this matter.

Emperor's Wrath prolonged life is a product of corporeal immortality. This doesn't means that he is invincible or omnipotent, he would have very good defensive abilities by virtue of this condition but this is it.

Aging is irrelevant argument. Emperor's Wrath role involved lot of combat and he had to be extremely strong and capable warrior to defeat so many powerful Jedi and Sith in battles that were identified as threats to Emperor's plans and such. Otherwise, he would have fallen in a battle easily like he fell against Darth Nyriss back then when he was a mortal.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I suggest you don't tell me what to catch up on when you hardly know what you're talking about yourself. I've played through the HoT's story a few times now. S/he still has limitations, limitations that Malgus is able to exploit well after their first confrontation with the Emperor. The fact that you keep ignoring that and trying to hide behind a respect thread, which are made to show only the strengths of characters not their weaknesses, is proof enough that you can't get past the fact that Scourge is not on Malgus' level, when Malgus was able to contend with a more powerful version, plus three of the galaxies finest. well after the HoT stomped Scourge.

If you really have played Jedi Knight story then you won't have questioned HoT's credibility with a lightsaber at the time of his confrontation with Emperor's Wrath.

Prior to confrontation with Emperor's Wrath, HoT had defeated Lord Praven (a master swordsman) in single combat, in-fact, Lord Praven have history of defeating another master swordsman in single combat, he was so good. This point of yours ("And still lost to the HoT, who is by no means a god of the saber at this point in the story.") is moot.

I am not going to speculate about who is better among Emperor's Wrath and Darth Malgus, what I do understand is that Emperor's Wrath is one of the greatest warriors in the history of the Empire/mythos just like Darth Malgus.

As far as your logic is concerned, HoT handled Emperor with aid of only T7 droid, noted that Emperor was weakened at this point but he was still the most dangerous Lord to contend with. So Malgus > Emperor?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm sorry, what did this prove? Malgus acknowledges Exar Kun as a true Sith, and many Sith put him above Malgus, since we're using that instead of feats as proof of power.

Which Sith assert that Kun is better then Malgus?

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Wrath is a legitimately powerful swordsman, and his defeat of Baras suggets a parity with Kun and Malgus to an extent. I couldve made this topic better though by putting someone else instead of Scourge.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
[B]I have played Jedi Knight story up to level 50 content.
Orgus Din is depicted laying on the feet of Bengel Morr, indicating the two had a confrontation. Details of this confrontation have not been provided.

The Twi'leks talk about it when they try to capture you.

Start making a list.

Don't pull that shit, LeGenD. Being praised as powerful is given to every random person with a name out there. I'm already wasting much of my time replying to your asinine responses. I'm not going to make a list of everyone called powerful.

Did you play the game?
Emperor's Wrath and Hero of Tython fought each other before the latter's confrontation with Emperor.
When Hero of Tython subdued Emperor's Wrath, it was at this moment that the latter revealed/acknowledged that he have never met a warrior as good as Hero of Tython from the Jedi Order.
Keep in mind that Emperor's Wrath have history with many Jedi including Revan and Surik.

Scourge, let's say that to not confuse, also thinks the HoT can wield the Emperor's full power by the end of Act III. Again I ask, what is with you using hyperbolic praise as fact. Especially from someone trying to manipulate the you into serving their purposes. The HoT did not display anything that put them on Revan's level as of the end of Act II, and Scourge hasn't displayed anything to put him on Nyriss' level throughout the entire story.

You serious?
This guy went from getting pwned by a Dark Council member in a battle to monitoring generations of Dark Council members, such was his magnitude of progression and increase in power. Emperor himself performed experiments on his Wrath to improve him in all aspects, it was a necessary development.

The Emperor making Scourge into his enforcer and amping him is not a measure of Scourge's power. Seriously, implying that because he is the Wrath he must be at anyone's level is again, foolish, because it doesn't translate into anything besides your opinion. As you've provided absolutely nothing to prove any of Scourge's hype besides he's an experienced swordsman, I'm not going to assume that he is uber powerful.

As the Sith Emperor's personal executioner, the grimly fatalistic Lord Scourge has personally killed more than a hundred Jedi–and ten times as many Sith. Even the most powerful members of the Dark Council avoid offending the man bearing the title "the Emperor’s Wrath." (TOR codex entry)

That's great, where are the feats that back up his supposed strength that makes him above Malgus or Kun. I've never denied that Scourge has strength, but saying that because someone does not want to fight Scourge that they must be weaker than him is a fallacy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
My Opinion

Anything to back up the claim? No? Let's move on then.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
More of my not supported My Opinion

I'm sorry, not really, but saying that because Scourge killed them, they must have been extremely skilled and powerful Sith and Jedi that would have been a threat to the Emperor at the time of their killing is also baseless. For one who talks about common sense, you seem to think that everyone waits until someone is at their peak to challenge them.

You cannot understand simple English?

You don't know the difference between has and had.

The Jedi were carefully observed and those were neutralized who became strong and ambitious enough to be identified as a threat to Emperor's plans.
Why would Wrath deal with mere padawans/younglings? You think that Wrath visited Jedi academies and Temples to kill a bunch of padawans now and then?

Don't put words in my mouth. What I said is that the Wrath was sent to kill Jedi and Sith before they became too powerful and a threat to the Emperor. That does not mean that they must be apprentices and Padawans. It means that they are killed before they become true threats or grow into their full power, as anyone with the common sense you claim to have would have done.

I advice use of common sense.

I advice you learn on what that means.

To identify potential threats to Emperor's plans and existence within the Empire as well. Those Sith who grew too ambitious, Wrath dealt with them.
Do you even understand the purpose of Emperor's Wrath? I guess not.

And you don't get the point. The Wrath monitoring the Empire does not make the Wrath any more powerful than anyone else. Again, without feats to back up his power it is completely your opinion with no basis. While it comes with implied competency, you cannot claim he is above anyone with actual feats to support their power.

*snip for length*

Bane's goal was to accomplish what the ancient Sith could not, which was total domination of the galaxy, a feat the the Sith Empire has not been shown to accomplish. Ancient knowledge was rediscovered and converted for many lifetimes to accomplish this. That does not mean that by the time of the PT the Sith had just caught up to the ancient Sith, and it also has nothing to do with the entire galaxy suddenly losing any knowledge they would have gained for Sith tech, most of which had nothing to do with the Dark Side.

I hope that this discussion open your eyes. You didn't know much about Emperor's Wrath until this discussion and you also demonstrated lack of knowledge in other areas.

Get off your high horse. All you've done is annoy me for a good month and a half and put me on the verge of vomiting. But as the idea that you believe you have the right to claim that you have educated me is laughable, I'll continue replying for the hell of it.

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Having three hundred years to kill 1000 people is not super impressive in the role of an enforcer when you have no idea of the placing of said kills in any time frame. Do not insult my understanding of English, when you obviously aren't reading what anyone is saying.

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No it's not. Praven defeat at the hands of the HoT is from all accounts do to the HoT's power more than their skill in the saber. If you actually played the Knight's storyline, you would know that. And as the HoT has a natural power level well above just about anyone in SWTOR, saying that because they beat Praven, they must be on par with anyone in sabers is baseless.

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Malgus has feats to suggest his power, while Scourge has literally only opinions. If he can't show said power that you claim he has, it means nothing.

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Except I actually saw the HoT defeat the Emperor with their mastery of the Force, and it was just someone stating, "The HoT traveled around the galaxy and defeated many Sith. Everyone in the Jedi Order respected them and knew that they were indeed their champion. S/he was truly redeemed."

Which Sith assert that Kun is better then Malgus?

I've already been through that. If it's not enough for you, whatever.

And if you're going to keep replying stop with the thousand line posts.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Exar Kun could possibly solo this with his sorcery, not just with Force Blast, but with that external Essence Transfer technique that he took Luke out with, he also froze lightsabers IIRC.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Scourge, let's say that to not confuse, also thinks the HoT can wield the Emperor's full power by the end of Act III.

Hmm??? Got a quote for this?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it's not. Praven defeat at the hands of the HoT is from all accounts do to the HoT's power more than their skill in the saber. If you actually played the Knight's storyline, you would know that. And as the HoT has a natural power level well above just about anyone in SWTOR, saying that because they beat Praven, they must be on par with anyone in sabers is baseless.

Praven indicates the HoT beat him with both skill and power and marvels at both.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hmm??? Got a quote for this?

"There's been a distress call from the Twi'lek settlement...I'm on my way to the settlement meet me there."
[plot and details]
"Matriarch stand aside, handing over the boy/girl's master wasn't enough. This Padawan has to die"
"Bengel Morr came to me. He said he would end the flesh raider attacks if we gave him your master."
[mindrape, Jedi nonsense, and tears]

Praven indicates the HoT beat him with both skill and power and marvels at both.

While no doubt the HoT was skilled, saying was as they grew considerably throughout the next few years and had training on board the Emperor's Station, growing more there, Praven was more marveled by their power and honor than anything, it seemed to me. Ancient Sith stuff.