Super Saiyan Broly VS Thor

Originally posted by Stanor
Powerscaling.

Frieza holding back destroyed a planet 11x larger than Earth. That same Frieza who was near death AND survived the planet's explosion. This would put Frieza on Large Planet Durability++++. That same Frieza who came back even stronger was easily sliced by Trunks and had his body destroyed by trunks by relative ease. King cold who was stronger than Frieza also got obliterated by trunkd with relative ease. Android 18 broke trunks sword (and also beat the shit out of him along with vegeta) displaying that she is WAY over Frieza and King Cold. Imperfect cell was already above Android 18 and semi perfect cell is many times stronger. I could keep going but I already made my point.

And that's a massive non sequiter. As Neme said about planet busting and star busting are entirely different tiers, etc

Seriously though, people still use this as an argument?

Originally posted by ares834
Or power levels are bullshit.

Silly shit like that makes it hard to bank on them in every case.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Restricted? In terms of overall potency? Nah. Only limited in collateral damage. Generally, if character x is stronger than character y, character x will win the beam wars.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
And that's a massive non sequiter. As Neme said about planet busting and star busting are entirely different tiers, etc

Seriously though, people still use this as an argument?

It's the only way to calculate DBZs power.

A lot of people just want to use 40 tons as a way to downplay DBZ.

Originally posted by Galan007
The ease in which he stomped multiple SSJs+Kamiccolo simultaneously, puts him comfortably on PCell's level.

First off, the Androids are fodder next to beings of this caliber--dunno why you keep bringing them up. Secondly, the roster of characters they've beaten, and the casual nature in which they did so, is almost identical... Yet you cannot grasp why they're peers? none

Step back and reevaluate your stance for a moment before you respond. 👆

Vs ssj? 18 Broke Vegeta in one kick... not sure how fodder. Based on Trunk's appearance this movie takes place prior to him and Vegeta's htc power up. Technically even thier first as neither used their "Super" modes but Gohan was SS but not ascended.

This is the pecking order:
FPSSJ Goku~FPSSJ Gohan>>ASSJ Trunks~/>ASSJ Vegeta>>>Imperfect Cell>>>#16~base-form Cell>>Piccolo~#17>#18>n00b SSJ Vegeta.

So yeah, the only Z fighter featured in Movie #8 who would have been hard-pressed to defeat the Androids, was Piccolo. In comparison to the others, however, the Androids were lulz-worthy fodder. Unquestionable.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Vs ssj? 18 Broke Vegeta in one kick... not sure how fodder. Based on Trunk's appearance this movie takes place prior to him and Vegeta's htc power up. Technically even thier first as neither used their "Super" modes but Gohan was SS but not ascended.

Anyway, Movie 8 most certainly took place after Trunks and Vegeta trained in the HTC--Trunks' hair is indicative of such. This means they were unarguably ASSJ's during the film. As for their second stint in the HTC: the power increase they received was nominal, at best(which Goku stated would be the case, prior to them going back in.) Remember, by the time of the Cell Games they were still far inferior to Goku/Gohan, despite training more than twice as long.

And for what it's worth, Gohan was wearing the same style clothing as Piccolo in the film--which he only received after emerging from the HTC. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Hm, just saw this. You must have edited after you read my post.

Anyway, Movie 8 most certainly took place after Trunks and Vegeta trained in the HTC--Trunks' hair is indicative of such. This means they were unarguably ASSJ's during the film. As for their second stint in the HTC: the power increase they received was nominal, at best(which Goku stated would be the case, prior to them going back in.) Remember, by the time of the Cell Games they were still far inferior to Goku/Gohan, despite training more than twice as long.

And for what it's worth, Gohan was wearing the same style clothing as Piccolo in the film--which he only received after emerging from the HTC. /shrug

Tbf Vegeta & Trunks seemed to learn the Lssj form but abandoned it. I'll concede my argument as trunks hair does indicate htc power up. Still don't believe in power scaling.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Tbf Vegeta & Trunks seemed to learn the Lssj form

Nope.

LSSJ cannot be learned. You are born with it. They achieved USSJ. Looks sorta similar due to the bulky muscles but LSSJ is unique to "The Saiyan of Legend" aka Broly, and costantly increases his ki.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Tbf Vegeta & Trunks seemed to learn the Lssj form but abandoned it. I'll concede my argument as trunks hair does indicate htc power up. Still don't believe in power scaling.

The bulky form attained by Trunks when he fought Cell(and also by Goku in the HTC) is commonly referred to as an 'Ultra Super Saiyan'(USSJ.) While it may look similar to Broly's LSSJ form, USSJ had one glaring weakness: the excess bulk slowed Trunks down tremendously, rendering him unable to land any hits on Cell.

Conversely, the LSSJ form didn't hinder Broly's speed at all, despite the added musculature--he simply kept getting stronger/faster.

Here's some pertinent info in the forms I just mentioned:
USSJ, LSSJ

Broly was incredibly slow, he just flew through enemies in all the movies. I know they are supposed to be seperate forms but Super Trunks looks nearly identical to Broly.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Broly was incredibly slow, he just flew through enemies in all the movies. I know they are supposed to be seperate forms but Super Trunks looks nearly identical to Broly.

He outsped ALL of the Z-Fighters in his first film. He was quick as hell

He flew into them, he didn't even do the typical teleport fight that is a staple of the series. 90% of his non blast offence are closelines and chokeslams.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
He flew into them, he didn't even do the typical teleport fight that is a staple of the series. 90% of his non blast offence are closelines and chokeslams.

But we know the Z-Fighters are super speedy and they couldn't dodge his clotheslines

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Broly was incredibly slow, he just flew through enemies in all the movies. I know they are supposed to be seperate forms but Super Trunks looks nearly identical to Broly.

Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. USSJ=/=LSSJ. They are completely different transformations. This is established fact.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Broly was incredibly slow, he just flew through enemies in all the movies. I know they are supposed to be seperate forms but Super Trunks looks nearly identical to Broly.

Lol over 9000 at this mockery

So he didn't fly directly into Trunks and then flew through a wall into Gohan then flew through a wall into Goku and Trunks smothering them? He has one single speed feat with a sonic sway but then gets tagged by Gohan & Trunks immediately afterwards...

there is so much pis in the first Broly movie its crazy Broly just seems to know where everyone is no matter what, despite the fact it should be the other way around because the Z fighters can actually sence energy.

You are mistaken, Brolly is a million times faster then USSJ.

Just accept this.

Do you think Perfect Cell is faster than Broly?