Super Saiyan Broly VS Thor

Started by carver922 pages

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove it was a "short time".

Thor doesn't need to physically touch Broly to harm him, as seen by Thor devastating planets and making stars flicker on accident. 👆

Bro, Thor just needs to fly around and he'll kill Broly on accident. 👆

How many yrs would it take someone to go planet by planet destroying everything in every solar system to the point that it ruined a galaxy. Add that to Broly age. Now Broly was either going many times faster than light to achieve what he did or he ruined a Galaxy within a short time. Your choice. By the way, how do you always find DBZ characters threads vs DC Marvel? Do you smell threads that is involving the characters so that you can go in them and low ball like usual?

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's only a stretch because Thor having FTL feats like Superman makes you uncomfortable, lol.

Terrible appeal to motive fallacy attempt.

And no, I'm about as objective as I can be. I gave Thor a majority over Superman years back when I believed he was close enough to Superman in speed. But he's not. Not even remotely close. FTL flying in space is not a reliable basis for combat speed, not without specific narration, or else thousands of characters would have basically infinite reflex speed.

Hell, I'd have to be worried about Cartoon Teen Titan Starfire being FTL reflexes for demonstrating space flight of that speed too.
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What if they turned slightly a few lightyears back? 🙂

The went the shortest route. Straight ahead. They have all of space to maneuver in front of them.


It is when your opponents are traveling over a million times faster than light.

Umm...reaction time is based on the *time* it takes to react.

Gorr clearly had seconds to react. That is plenty of time.

It took them several seconds to get to where he is. Their speed is irrelevant to the time he has to do something.


So you're saying that rather than Gorr being fast enough to chuck rocks at something flying millions of times faster than light, he instead used his super cosmic awareness to predict where they would be and managed to throw the chunk just before they arrived despite apparently being considerably slower than they were flying in terms of reaction-time, and the two Thors just happened to keep a consistent direction going rather than changing course at any point?

Nah, they could react and fight faster than light. 👆

What kind of crazy gymnastic lingo are you even trying to do here?

Gorr and the Thor's have comparable reaction time obviously.

He landed on a moon. Had seconds before they got there. Clearly its known that he can sense Godly energy. Locking on to something that obvious to him is not anything remotely important or indicative of great reflexes.

Else King Kai would have FTL reflexes for being able to pin-point Goku's ki and talk to him while he's on a FTL ship going to Namek.

He started throwing chunks while they are seconds away, knowing where they were coming, they run into said chunks (not even outmaneuvering it), and thus we are left with no reflex feats that amount to FTL whatsoever.

Easily summed up without any need for FTL reflexes, other than what we'd have to award for hundreds if not thousands of characters that don't demonstrate it with limb speed on land yet can conveniently call upon the fly-very-fast-in-space trope.

I once thought Carver was some horrible dbz Fanboy and made a bad name for its fans. Then I met the other supporters of DBZ.

I now know Carver is actually a very moderate and reasonable fellow

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The power of The House of El is too strong!

You can't harm me!

However, the pain of choosing between Broly and Thor is overwhelming you.

[B]YOU'RE WELCOME! [/B]

Answer my message , betrayer of the House of El.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I once thought Carver was some horrible dbz Fanboy and made a bad name for its fans. Then I met the other supporters of DBZ.

I now know Carver is actually a very moderate and reasonable fellow

Lol... I'm always reasonable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do you have any evidence against Thor in this specific run having FTL reflexes?

Do you have any for Thor or Gorr that demonstrate explicit FTL reflexes? Not you deriving something independently that comes from a trope feat as the base?

No. There were none in that arc.

Originally posted by carver9
How many yrs would it take someone to go planet by planet destroying everything in every solar system to the point that it ruined a galaxy. Add that to Broly age. Now Broly was either going many times faster than light to achieve what he did or he ruined a Galaxy within a short time. Your choice. By the way, how do you always find DBZ characters threads vs DC Marvel? Do you smell threads that is involving the characters so that you can go in them and low ball like usual?
Or he could use his FTL space ship.

Carver, are you being intentionally ironic when you accuse me of lowballing?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Arguably, but that actually is a prolonged long distance flight, unlike when Thor fought Gorr.

He wouldn't need to be mach 100 to do that, lol.

Which nuke is that btw?

Doesn't matter how long it was. The ship was going FTL.

Prove he can do it. By the way, Jeice and Burta attack is faster than Roshi attack.

Frieza Nuke.

So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.

Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Or he could use his FTL space ship.

Carver, are you being intentionally ironic when you accuse me of lowballing?

Lol...so he destroyed a planet, closed the door, opened it again, destroyed a planet, closed the door, rinse and repeat? Are you crazy or something? During that entire film we never saw Broly in a space ship, he flew around space the entire time. STOP LOW BALLING.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.

Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.

Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Thor still has to spin to get it to that speed, and there is a scan someone posted before of Odin telling Thor that Mjolnir can spin faster than light.

Thor is unsure, he tries for a little bit, doesn't start too great, and then he keeps trying and it suddenly goes faster than light, and he is surprised.

That set the precedence for the idea that it is Mjolnir's magic that causes it to spin that fast, not really Thor's physical speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Not seeing how that scan is bad. Since you also think that Hulk will counter a blitzing flash irc.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Carver, when did Burter and Jeice ever move that fast?

Burter and Jeice would not have been more than a few multiple times faster than Gohan, Krillin at that point scaling from power levels. Both of whom got stopped dead in their tracks by Guldo's time freeze.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Terrible appeal to motive fallacy attempt.

And no, I'm about as objective as I can be. I gave Thor a majority over Superman years back when I believed he was close enough to Superman in speed. But he's not. Not even remotely close. FTL flying in space is not a reliable basis for combat speed, not without specific narration, or else thousands of characters would have basically infinite reflex speed.

Hell, I'd have to be worried about Cartoon Teen Titan Starfire being FTL reflexes for demonstrating space flight of that speed too.
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It's only an appeal to motive my friend if I use it to support my argument. I'm not bringing up your transparent motives in an attempt to do anything of the sort. I am simply bringing them up.

You're getting too defensive, it's okay man. I think Superman is on average much faster than Thor too. 👆

The went the shortest route. Straight ahead. They have all of space to maneuver in front of them.

I see you didn't get the point.

Umm...reaction time is based on the *time* it takes to react.

Gorr clearly had seconds to react. That is plenty of time.

It took them several seconds to get to where he is. Their speed is irrelevant to the time he has to do something.

All right, let me spell this out to you.

How far away would you wager the Thors were from Gorr when the chunk of moon reached them? Ten planetary diameters maybe?

Now, Gorr somehow managed to pick up a huge chunk of the moon, and toss it at them at about an equivalent speed when they were that close. While they were moving millions of times faster than the speed of light.

And you somehow believe Gorr can't have FTL reaction-time?

What kind of crazy gymnastic lingo are you even trying to do here?

Gorr and the Thor's have comparable reaction time obviously.

Good, at least we agree on this.

He landed on a moon. Had seconds before they got there. Clearly its known that he can sense Godly energy. Locking on to something that obvious to him is not anything remotely important or indicative of great reflexes.

K.

Else King Kai would have FTL reflexes for being able to pin-point Goku's ki and talk to him while he's on a FTL ship going to Namek.

I don't recall King Kai having to react to Goku's speed, he just had to sense his Ki.

He started throwing chunks while they are seconds away, knowing where they were coming, they run into said chunks (not even outmaneuvering it), and thus we are left with no reflex feats that amount to FTL whatsoever.

So you believe he chose to throw the rocks very very slowly, rather than at the full speed he could muster?

This reminds me of when people used to argue Zeus chose to throw slow lightning bolts at Kratos.

Easily summed up without any need for FTL reflexes, other than what we'd have to award for hundreds if not thousands of characters that don't demonstrate it with limb speed on land yet can conveniently call upon the fly-very-fast-in-space trope.

It's a much more complicated, far more brainless explanation without need for FTL reflexes, sure.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor best showing.

World Engine, Celestials, Surtur, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't matter how long it was. The ship was going FTL.

Prove he can do it. By the way, Jeice and Burta attack is faster than Roshi attack.

Frieza Nuke.

No, it does. People can track the paths of things much faster than they are because it's over such a long distance.

He's moved faster than the speed of light, of course he can do it. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so he destroyed a planet, closed the door, opened it again, destroyed a planet, closed the door, rinse and repeat? Are you crazy or something? During that entire film we never saw Broly in a space ship, he flew around space the entire time. STOP LOW BALLING.
We see him fly through space to another world once. 😐

We actually see him use a space ship more times.

Glad to know you can't prove he flew to those planets himself though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Carver, when did Burter and Jeice ever move that fast?

Burter and Jeice would not have been more than a few multiple times faster than Gohan, Krillin at that point scaling from power levels. Both of whom got stopped dead in their tracks by Guldo's time freeze.

Burta moved that fast when Vegeta threw the Dragonball and Burta chased after it. Krillin and the crew wasn't as fast as the Ginyu force during that time.

Originally posted by carver9
Burta moved that fast when Vegeta threw the Dragonball and Burta chased after it. Krillin and the crew wasn't as fast as the Ginyu force during that time.

Wasn't it shown that the dragonball catch, guldo stopped time for?