Originally posted by Rao Kal El
And?I am trying to see your point, but all I see is a decision based on business
Dc only looks bad because they backed down from a release date they had up against just Cap. They need to worry about establishing their own universe and not taking on the big bad bully known as marvel in the first place.
Marvel asserted its dominance once again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not every dc character comes along with Batman and Superman but in this case a lot of heroes are being established. This is a film which features two icons against one marvel hero in one outing and they back down.Who had the date first ?
What? Cap is more a sure thing than SvB, as it has the Avengers behind it. SvB has more to lose. So they moved to a period where they'd make a shit-load more money. Struggling to see how that's a bad decision.
I don't know who had it first.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think it makes them look scared of marvel as do others. So to each his own.
Scared of what? All the extra money they'll make?
And it's still WB v Disney, not Marvel v DC, no matter how much you want to make it so.
WB execs are terrified i'm sure:
"What, they called us cowards? How will we ever go on?"
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't know who had it first.
Marvel had it first. But it was an unknown/untitled film when WB announced B v S was moving to the same date.
I guess WB assumed it was going to be some new title like Dr. Strange or Black Panther. Still putting it on the same date as any Marvel film was silly to begin with. On that much I agree with the Troll/DC Hater.
This was a smart move for D.C. actually if the 2 had to compete at the same time im sure The D.C. movie would win out but at the same time take a huge knock on the head from cap 3 and this they do not need.
I firmly believe D.C. needs to slow down and start with one franchise at a time. They had success with MOS now work on a solo wonderwoman franchise mabey flash,GL,shazam and aquaman. Rushing things to play catch up is not a good idea. I also feel D.C. needs to stop catering to the 15- 30 year olds. Cater to everyone. Till they do this marvel will destroy them.
There are only so many teenagers and young adults out there. Catering to one age group is not a good tactic.
Yeah, WB has made some smart decisions. Like using marvel studio's hard work in establishing a general awareness of superhero movies to their advantage. The general public would see nearly any Superhero movie nowadays. When you look back to the earnings of Batman Begins, Cap 1, Thor 1, IM1 and to GOTG, there is a huge amount of difference. That's marvel studio's hard work and now that general awareness would help DC movies too. Bravo marvel.
What in internet terms is "Marvel left DC behind" is actually "DC is going to make huge profits without risking anything of their own movies while taking advantage of marvel's hard work."
Sure, they are behind some years but that's neither here nor there. I'm just happy to see some quality superhero movies.
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WB was very smart in moving this film up. It gets basically 6 weeks to itself and should make some serious cash in that time. WB is going to market the hell out of this film(WB has arguably the best marketing in Hollywood) which will increase hype leading to a massive weekend.
This release date avoids one of the mistakes made with MOS namely, opening the week before two big openers that tore into it's audience(Monster's University,WWZ). I'm expecting this to be WB/DC's highest grossing comic film ever.
Originally posted by abhilegend👆
Yeah, WB has made some smart decisions. Like using marvel studio's hard work in establishing a general awareness of superhero movies to their advantage. The general public would see nearly any Superhero movie nowadays. When you look back to the earnings of Batman Begins, Cap 1, Thor 1, IM1 and to GOTG, there is a huge amount of difference. That's marvel studio's hard work and now that general awareness would help DC movies too. Bravo marvel.What in internet terms is "Marvel left DC behind" is actually "DC is going to make huge profits without risking anything of their own movies while taking advantage of marvel's hard work."
Sure, they are behind some years but that's neither here nor there. I'm just happy to see some quality superhero movies.
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Great time to be a comic book fan. Keep it up Marvel & DC
Originally posted by zeelI firmly believe D.C. needs to slow down and start with one franchise at a time. They had success with MOS now work on a solo wonderwoman franchise mabey flash,GL,shazam and aquaman. Rushing things to play catch up is not a good idea.
Funny thing is they actually are really taking their time but without giving us any new solo franchises. I mean Marvel got from IM1 to Avengers in 4 years. DC are going from MOS to just B v S in 3 years. So it will be at least 4 years from MOS to JL anyway LOL.
But yes, they do need some solo franchises first. But I don't think they need to make ALL of the above before JL. I mean Avengers only gave us 3 solo franchises before Avengers (well 4 if you include Hulk but that seemed to have finished after TIH).
So considering everyone knows who Batman and Superman are after decades of solo movies for them, new solo franchises for them are not really a necessity before JL. But the fact that we do have one for Superman and getting another for both of them with B v S, that will more than suffice for those 2 Pre-JL.
So really they just need 1 or 2 other solo franchises. I'd personally go for Wonder Woman and The Flash. Because there already is a GL movie- I know it was bad, but it would be suicide trying that again before gaining more popularity for the character through JL. But fact is that solo movie is out there. And I think you can introduce a couple of them (like Cyborg, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter) in the JL or in B v S. That's not too bad. Iron Man introduced us to BLack Widow and Nick Fury. Avengers will introduce us to Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision next year.
So yeah all they need to do is to give us 1 Flash movie and 1 Wonder Woman movie before JL. Which they could easily give us in the next 2-3 years before JL!
Unfortunately the fact that Wonder Woman is being introduced in B v S, and they've opted for a Flash tv series, instead of a solo movie, means that's not going to happen.
We can just hope that whatever the Rock is involved with will be at least 1 other Solo franchise Pre-JL that will be part of JL too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, WB has made some smart decisions. Like using marvel studio's hard work in establishing a general awareness of superhero movies to their advantage.
Urmmm... Yeah... Genius move by WB 😕
Originally posted by -Pr-Cap 3 isn't avengers so quit acting like it has that behind it.
What? Cap is more a sure thing than SvB, as it has the Avengers behind it. SvB has more to lose. So they moved to a period where they'd make a shit-load more money. Struggling to see how that's a bad decision.I don't know who had it first.
Scared of what? All the extra money they'll make?
And it's still WB v Disney, not Marvel v DC, no matter how much you want to make it so.
WB execs are terrified i'm sure:
"What, they called us cowards? How will we ever go on?"
Marvel had the date first from what I hear making Dc's movie dumb since they picked a fight they didn't have the balls to finish.
It is the marvel characters vs the dc characters and will always be compared as such.
Dc backed down and they picked the fight. Dumb move.
Originally posted by abhilegendMarvel made an ass ton of money you dummy. They saw how successful marvel has been and are trying to make their own gains from this. Acting like the boat ton of money marvel made is dc taking advantage if pretty dumb even from you. This is why no one takes you seriously with a scan to save your life. You're a moron.
Yeah, WB has made some smart decisions. Like using marvel studio's hard work in establishing a general awareness of superhero movies to their advantage. The general public would see nearly any Superhero movie nowadays. When you look back to the earnings of Batman Begins, Cap 1, Thor 1, IM1 and to GOTG, there is a huge amount of difference. That's marvel studio's hard work and now that general awareness would help DC movies too. Bravo marvel.What in internet terms is "Marvel left DC behind" is actually "DC is going to make huge profits without risking anything of their own movies while taking advantage of marvel's hard work."
Sure, they are behind some years but that's neither here nor there. I'm just happy to see some quality superhero movies.
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Dc backed from marvel just like you backed down from me in our battle of the Supermen.
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Originally posted by zeelI firmly believe D.C. needs to slow down and start with one franchise at a time. They had success with MOS now work on a solo wonderwoman franchise mabey flash,GL,shazam and aquaman. Rushing things to play catch up is not a good idea. I also feel D.C. needs to stop catering to the 15- 30 year olds. Cater to everyone. Till they do this marvel will destroy them.
But the point is everyone is used to (maybe even fed up with?) the same formula that's always been used.
The first movie always having to be the hero's Origins story followed by the multiple villain story line.
I'd honestly like to see DC go straight to the Justice League & then maybe down the track do some simple flash-backs relating to each members' Origins.
Break the formula.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Cap 3 isn't avengers so quit acting like it has that behind it.
Cap is an Avenger. BW is an Avenger. Nick Fury and SHIELD were the ones who put the Avengers together. And ALL those characters made up Cap2. So of course it had Avengers behind it. As did IM3 being the first direct sequel to the Avengers and starring the Avengers and MCU's poster boy.
Fact is Avengers massively increased the popularity and demand for these characters.
That being said Cap2 was an awesome movie. Thor 2- not so much. Which is why Cap 2 beat Thor 2 at the box office.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Cap 3 isn't avengers so quit acting like it has that behind it.Marvel had the date first from what I hear making Dc's movie dumb since they picked a fight they didn't have the balls to finish.
It is the marvel characters vs the dc characters and will always be compared as such.
Dc backed down and they picked the fight. Dumb move.
Cap 3 is an Avengers movie. It has that backing. You pretending it doesn't, doesn't magically make it not one.
lol, so angry.
only if you're petty enough that you pick one company over the other, rather than just trying to enjoy the wide selection of movies we've been given.
they moved, and will make more money. being smart is better than being prideful.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThat isn't all of the avengers nor the most popular ones.
Cap is an Avenger. BW is an Avenger. Nick Fury and SHIELD were the ones who put the Avengers together. And ALL those characters made up Cap2. So of course it had Avengers behind it. As did IM3 being the first direct sequel to the Avengers and starring the Avengers and MCU's poster boy.Fact is Avengers massively increased the popularity and demand for these characters.
That being said Cap2 was an awesome movie. Thor 2- not so much. Which is why Cap 2 beat Thor 2 at the box office.
Avengers did increase the popularity of the characters but it doesn't give every marvel property a guaranteed blockbuster.
So you agree with me in the end.
Originally posted by -Pr-Cap 3 isn't an avengers movie just like Superman won't be a Jla movie on his solo adventures after the fact.
Cap 3 is an Avengers movie. It has that backing. You pretending it doesn't, doesn't magically make it not one.lol, so angry.
only if you're petty enough that you pick one company over the other, rather than just trying to enjoy the wide selection of movies we've been given.
they moved, and will make more money. being smart is better than being prideful.
You need to calm down.
They picked the date and then pussed out. Weak. Stupid.