I'm not trying to be. DE Palpatine has done everything Vitshit has done without prep or a nexus. All of these Sith minus a weakling like Malak would kill him before he can even react based on feats.
Given that you routinely lie and use personal theories in the place of feats I'm not expecting you to own up to that. Voice gets utterly destroyed by every Sith on the list.
Originally posted by carthage
I'm not trying to be. DE Palpatine has done everything Vitshit has done without prep or a nexus. All of these Sith minus a weakling like Malak would kill him before he can even react based on feats.Given that you routinely lie and use personal theories in the place of feats I'm not expecting you to own up to that. Voice gets utterly destroyed by every Sith on the list.
Too bad Vitiate has both prep and a nexus here. And Vitiate being blitzed isn't even supported by feats, so idk what the frick you're going on about there.
Even Malak? The man Vitiate already owned without leaving his chair? Are you sure you're not trying to be humorous? Dooku and Vader would be similarly owned as well. They have nothing to suggest they can resist a fully prepped Vitiate's mental assault.
And if he has a nexus they would be able to use it as well to amplify their movements and speed. All of these fighters have massively superior speed to Vitiate, and have force feats unamped that put him at his best to shame. With a nexus they're stronger, faster, and can kill him while he's gathering power.
And Vitiate being blitzed isn't even supported by feats
Revan and Hero of Tython are slower than Vader, Plagueis, or ROTS Sidious by a considerable margin. Blitzing fodder in the case of HoT is not the same as overwhelming the senses of 4 Jedi masters for ROTS Sidious. Also your own opinion doesn't contradict Palpatine's feats, Vitiate has only reacted to the speed of HoT and again he's slower than Plagueis or ROTS Sidious
I said he'd beat Malak, but thats only because Malak is worthless.
Dooku and Vader would be similarly owned as well.
An amped Dooku on Vjun kept up with Yoda who deflected his blows with casual ease and who kept up with Palpatine. Dooku is considerably faster than Vitiate. Their combat speed has been depicted as faster than thought and invisibly fast. Vitiate has next to no speed showings except reactive ones
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They have nothing to suggest they can resist a fully prepped Vitiate's mental assault.
The irony is he needs prep and is weak enough to not accomplish what these Sith have done unamped. By your same logic and again based on the reality Vitiate has nothing but reactive speed feats, Vitiate can get blitzed.
Plagueis resisted the mental prodding of Tenebrous and even clouted his master's mind, this is a superior feat unamped to Vitiate mentally dominating fodder. The only Sith who dominated Plagueis was Palpatine who is hilariously more powerful than his TOR clone. Vader has been dominated before but again only by Palpatine, and he's faster and has superior feats to Vitiate around the board.
Again try to go by feats and not your own personal obsession to the TOR era.
Originally posted by carthage
And if he has a nexus they would be able to use it as well to amplify their movements and speed. All of these fighters have massively superior speed to Vitiate, and have force feats unamped that put him at his best to shame. With a nexus they're stronger, faster, and can kill him while he's gathering power.
So would Vitiate so who cares. And he'd be able to draw upon it more than they would with his prep.
You think that Dooku has superior Force feats than Vitiate? That's a laugh, maybe you are amusing after all.
Excuse me? Gathering power? He has full prep, he will start the fight with his power already gathered and his most devastating attacks at his fingertips. The fight will begin, and they will run forward right into a shitstorm.
Originally posted by carthage
Revan and Hero of Tython are slower than Vader, Plagueis, or ROTS Sidious by a considerable margin. Blitzing fodder in the case of HoT is not the same as overwhelming the senses of 4 Jedi masters for ROTS Sidious. Also your own opinion doesn't contradict Palpatine's feats, Vitiate has only reacted to the speed of HoT and again he's slower than Plagueis or ROTS SidiousI said he'd beat Malak, but thats only because Malak is worthless.
Vader is faster than them by a considerable margin? That's a laugh, he wasn't even faster than Maul, Marek or OT Luke. As far as I know he's only ever blitzed some agricultural corps Jedi, hardly the Sith Warriors the Hero blitzed. And regardless, it's not just the Hero's speed that you have to consider, its that the fight started with her lightsaber a foot from Vitiate's face and that Vitiate was weakened. And again, speed is irrelevant because Vitiate can open up with his best attacks the moment the fight begins. They won't make it halfway before he b*tchslaps them down.
Originally posted by carthage
An amped Dooku on Vjun kept up with Yoda who deflected his blows with casual ease and who kept up with Palpatine. Dooku is considerably faster than Vitiate. Their combat speed has been depicted as faster than thought and invisibly fast. Vitiate has next to no speed showings except reactive ones
Did you just try to use Yoda casually deflecting Dooku 's blows to establish how impressive it was that Dooku "kept up with him"? You do realise that doesn't make any sense, right? I meh at their speed. Aryn Leneer was fast enough to move invisibly fast and appear in multiple places at once, and she's nothing to Vitiate.
Originally posted by carthage
The irony is he needs prep and is weak enough to not accomplish what these Sith have done unamped. By your same logic and again based on the reality Vitiate has nothing but reactive speed feats, Vitiate can get blitzed.Plagueis resisted the mental prodding of Tenebrous and even clouted his master's mind, this is a superior feat unamped to Vitiate mentally dominating fodder. The only Sith who dominated Plagueis was Palpatine who is hilariously more powerful than his TOR clone. Vader has been dominated before but again only by Palpatine, and he's faster and has superior feats to Vitiate around the board.
Again try to go by feats and not your own personal obsession to the TOR era.
That's not ironic?
Isn't Tenebrous featless too? So Plagueis resisting his "prodding" (lol) doesn't really establish much. And Vitiate did dominate Revan and Malak with casual ease, they're not fodder. Thanks for establishing that Vader can get dominated though. He will. Easily.
I think it's you who has the personal obsession, my child. 😆
If I wasn't enjoying myself, I wouldn't bother talking to carthage. His obscene bias and ignorance is well known to me. Do you really think I'd bother talking to him unless I actually wanted to? If I was irritated I'd just put him back on ignore.
Now you on the other hand.... am I to take your lack of response as a concession? Content to hide behind carthage's skirts, are you? Turned cheerleader on us? Lo, how the mighty have fallen. 😛
So would Vitiate so who cares. And he'd be able to draw upon it more than they would with his prep.
This doesn't change the fact that their feats off nexus are still superior, and what's all this vague bullshit about "devastating power". Revan still sent Vitiate flying back like a weakling, and all of these fighters have TK that makes Revan's pale in comparison. Prep doesn't prove he can protect himself from getting blitzed, ragdolled, or sent flying as all of these fighters are far superior to anyone he's fought
You think that Dooku has superior Force feats than Vitiate? That's a laugh, maybe you are amusing after all.
He has superior off nexus feats, and since all of Vitiate's feats require a prep or nexus to me at least he is far superior. With a nexus to draw on especially one more powerful than Vjun, he will fight faster than Vitiate can perceive. Vitiate doesn't have the reactive speed of Yoda, and he will die in short order either due to the counts TK or walking into his saber like a moron
Excuse me? Gathering power? He has full prep, he will start the fight with his power already gathered and his most devastating attacks at his fingertips. The fight will begin, and they will run forward right into a shitstorm.
Thanks for scripting the fight Neph 👆. Again Revan alone sent Vitiate flying, while Dooku may be the most prone to being dominated he is still far faster (demonstrated by his amp on Vjun), and with a more potent nexus can easily keep up if not outmanuever Vitiate altogether. Again "Devastating power at his fingertips is vague", Dooku kept up with Yoda and has hurled boulders and obelisks that weigh tons and collapsed bridges and balconies. He has more than enough requisite TK power to ragdoll or hurl Vitiate around.
Did you just try to use Yoda casually deflecting Dooku 's blows to establish how impressive it was that Dooku "kept up with him"? You do realise that doesn't make any sense, right? I meh at their speed. Aryn Leneer was fast enough to move invisibly fast and appear in multiple places at once, and she's nothing to Vitiate.
Oh look Neph used a terrible example. Aryn Leneer is bold slower than Dooku, and Dooku has kept up with Yoda unamped in AOTC as well. Dooku has fought faster than Obi wan could perceive, he is faster than Leneer as even Malgus could keep up with her to an extent. Dooku has replicated all of Leneer's feats and kept up with Yoda who is a tier ahead of Leneer in speed
Vader is faster than them by a considerable margin? That's a laugh, he wasn't even faster than Maul, Marek or OT Luke. As far as I know he's only ever blitzed some agricultural corps Jedi, hardly the Sith Warriors the Hero blitzed. And regardless, it's not just the Hero's speed that you have to consider, its that the fight started with her lightsaber a foot from Vitiate's face and that Vitiate was weakened. And again, speed is irrelevant because Vitiate can open up with his best attacks the moment the fight begins. They won't make it halfway before he b*tchslaps them down.
Vader has fought faster than being can perceive, reacted to turret fire, fought invisibly fast, formed afterimages with his saber, and moved fast enough to teleport to the perspective of Roan Shryne. He has more objective showings than HoT, whose at best kept up with Vitiate (who has no speed feats). Again stop scripting the ****ing match, there is a nexus present that Vader can draw on as well and since you've A:
1. Not presented any speed feats for Vitiate
2. Revan sent him flying backward
There is nothing you've presented that suggests Vader can't just dominate him with TK.
That's not ironic?
Isn't Tenebrous featless too? So Plagueis resisting his "prodding" (lol) doesn't really establish much. And Vitiate did dominate Revan and Malak with casual ease, they're not fodder. Thanks for establishing that Vader can get dominated though. He will. Easily.
He dominated pre-prime Revan or Malak and compared to the Sith on this list they are fodder. Tenebrous alone supported massive boulders with casual ease, moved faster than pre-prime Plagueis, and used a technique similar to essence transfer to invade Plagueis. Note he did these things unamped unlike the weakling you fellate over (Vitiate). You've shown nothing that Vitiate can't get blitzed as you've presented no speed feats, all you've done is lowball and try to script the fight
Admit Vitiate's weakness, limitations, and failures
I think it's you who has the personal obsession, my child
Originally posted by Nephthys
If I wasn't enjoying myself, I wouldn't bother talking to carthage. His obscene bias and ignorance is well known to me. Do you really think I'd bother talking to him unless I actually wanted to? If I was irritated I'd just put him back on ignore.Now you on the other hand.... am I to take your lack of response as a concession? Content to hide behind carthage's skirts, are you? Turned cheerleader on us? Lo, how the mighty have fallen. 😛
Nah, you've repeatedly expressed the desire to ignore this guy and yet continue to engage him. He's manipulating you almost as effortlessly as I have and I'm both impressed by his skill and appalled that you allow another to pluck your strings as often as me.
And as for my lack of response, Carthage seems to be doing a fine job without me.
He's easy to defeat in a debate, he very seldom if ever relies on feats, gets irritated if you try to utilize feats, and constantly tries to portray himself as superior instead of providing requisite proof to defend his points. If he wants to block me its fine, its just really irritating the massive respect a loser like Vitiate gets in spite of doing virtually nothing without a massive amount of prep, a potent nexus, and vague quotes to support him. Its even funnier that the TOR cult here thinks he can stand up to truly mighty Sith here, and he needs a high chair (prep) in order to hold his own. I am not nor have I ever been biased, I go by what a character has accomplished and Vitiate has done nothing the Emperor, Plagueis, Vader, and his superiors have done without aid.
Vitiate is pathetic and for all the railing Neph and the TOR cult here gives the PT, TOR is just a massive failed recreation of the PT/OT storyline
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, you've repeatedly expressed the desire to ignore this guy and yet continue to engage him. He's manipulating you almost as effortlessly as I have and I'm both impressed by his skill and appalled that you allow another to pluck your strings as often as me.And as for my lack of response, Carthage seems to be doing a fine job without me.
Erm, I only said I would stop responding to him in the other thread since he was literally just ignoring what I was saying. And I don't see how I'm being manipulated by a guy amusing me. Like, you seem to constantly try to laugh at me and suggest that I'm getting mad or frustrated in these threads when I'm legit not and it always comes off as kind of weird to me. Like you need to see me failing or something.
So, you are just cheerleading at this point. Sigh, and you used to be so cool. Now you're just cheering on trolls. Ah well, it's not like I love you for your brain these days.
Originally posted by carthage
He's easy to defeat in a debate, he very seldom if ever relies on feats, gets irritated if you try to utilize feats, and constantly tries to portray himself as superior instead of providing requisite proof to defend his points. If he wants to block me its fine, its just really irritating the massive respect a loser like Vitiate gets in spite of doing virtually nothing without a massive amount of prep, a potent nexus, and vague quotes to support him. Its even funnier that the TOR cult here thinks he can stand up to truly mighty Sith here, and he needs a high chair (prep) in order to hold his own. I am not nor have I ever been biased, I go by what a character has accomplished and Vitiate has done nothing the Emperor, Plagueis, Vader, and his superiors have done without aid.Vitiate is pathetic and for all the railing Neph and the TOR cult here gives the PT, TOR is just a massive failed recreation of the PT/OT storyline
excellent
Nephthys
Erm, I only said I would stop responding to him in the other thread since he was literally just ignoring what I was saying. And I don't see how I'm being manipulated by a guy amusing me. Like, you seem to constantly try to laugh at me and suggest that I'm getting mad or frustrated in these threads when I'm legit not and it always comes off as kind of weird to me. Like you need to see me failing or something.So, you are just cheerleading at this point. Sigh, and you used to be so cool. Now you're just cheering on trolls. Ah well, it's not like I love you for your brain these days.
The only weird thing here is that you persist in transparent denials, my son. It's obvious to everyone here that you're angry and that Viti has become a crippling wound to you that your enemies can harass for sport.
Anyway, to stay on topic as Dooku has actually demonstrated a weakness to sorcery Vitiate can likely dominate him.
Not seeing it for Vader as Vader is comparable to the count in speed, but outscales him in most areas aside from skill. I think he can defeat Revan, HoT, and Barsen as well as they're all inferior to the Sith as well. He dies horribly to the other Sith