Originally posted by Nephthys
😆This is your champion, Tempest. The guy who thinks Vader is superior to 3 of the top 10 Jedi combined.
HoT is likely above Mace whom Vader is superior to. HoT is physically weaker, not as fast, and has far less impressive TK. But seeing as you don't go by feats rather your tremendous hard on for TOR, I don't see that as getting through.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If I wasn't enjoying myself, I wouldn't bother talking to carthage. His obscene bias and ignorance is well known to me. Do you really think I'd bother talking to him unless I actually wanted to? If I was irritated I'd just put him back on ignore.Now you on the other hand.... am I to take your lack of response as a concession? Content to hide behind carthage's skirts, are you? Turned cheerleader on us? Lo, how the mighty have fallen. 😛
No son of mine would be caught dead in a skirt.
Originally posted by carthage
No Vitiate has a nexus, but the TOR cult seems to be forgetting the nexus affects other sith as well
He's talking about a thread on comic vine. He's waiting for a response from me. I asked him about the setting of that thread because I'm on my phone right now, and I'm too lazy to check for myself.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So you think Vitiate can unleash an attack powerful enough to one-shot an entire Dark Council in a few seconds? That's fine by me! 👆
What attack was that, exactly? Can you explain how it works?
Also, you do realize just how durable Vader is, right? Do you know if the attack is potent enough to even take him out?
Originally posted by carthage
This doesn't change the fact that their feats off nexus are still superior, and what's all this vague bullshit about "devastating power". Revan still sent Vitiate flying back like a weakling, and all of these fighters have TK that makes Revan's pale in comparison. Prep doesn't prove he can protect himself from getting blitzed, ragdolled, or sent flying as all of these fighters are far superior to anyone he's fought
I don't care how you rate them off nexus. He's on a nexus, he has prep. Accept it instead of whinging about how bad you think he is without those things.
Devastating attacks as in highly charged bursts of lightning, powerful rituals and sorcery and the kind of attacks Vitiate used to Purge the Dark Council with.
Revan sent Vitiate flying by pulling a semi state of oneness out of his ass and only did so because much of Vitiate's attention and power was elsewhere. Revan couldn't even make an Imperial Guardsman budge more than a few inches with TK when the guy was drawing off of Vitiate's power. He's not throwing Vitiate himself around and neither is Dooku, Vader and likely not Plagueis or Sidious.
Prep does prove he can prevent himself from getting blitzed. With prep he could easily just summon up a few dozen of those illusion clones to block their path while he spams amped attacks on them. Hell, or he could just set up a force field. 😆
Originally posted by carthage
He has superior off nexus feats, and since all of Vitiate's feats require a prep or nexus to me at least he is far superior. With a nexus to draw on especially one more powerful than Vjun, he will fight faster than Vitiate can perceive. Vitiate doesn't have the reactive speed of Yoda, and he will die in short order either due to the counts TK or walking into his saber like a moron.
Again I don't care about off nexus and I don't give a shit about your opinions. Considering all your talk about me only putting forth my opinion, it's pretty hypocritical of you now to start talking about how Dooku is better in yours. Dooku isn't fighting faster than he can percieve. He doesn't need the speed of Yoda, tons of people have faced Dooku without getting blitzed. Vitiate isn't, especially not with prep. If AotC Kenobi can react to Dooku, then Vitiate who fought off the HoT a meter away can.
Originally posted by carthage
Thanks for scripting the fight Neph 👆. Again Revan alone sent Vitiate flying, while Dooku may be the most prone to being dominated he is still far faster (demonstrated by his amp on Vjun), and with a more potent nexus can easily keep up if not outmanuever Vitiate altogether. Again "Devastating power at his fingertips is vague", Dooku kept up with Yoda and has hurled boulders and obelisks that weigh tons and collapsed bridges and balconies. He has more than enough requisite TK power to ragdoll or hurl Vitiate around.
I'm going by your script actually, my son. You're the one claiming they'll blitz him off the bat. So I'm replying to that claim by pointing out that if they try that they'll just run into his attack.
I already dealt with your silly point about Revan. Dooku wasn't attacked by Yoda with the Force. If he had been we likely would have seen a sneak peak at how Sidious throttled him. And none of Dooku's mediocre TK feats suggests he can TK Vitiate. He's hurled boulders? Wow, I think I recall seeing some padawans on Tython doing that, lmao. None of that even matches a random nameless Jedi who Malgus curbstomped, let alone Emperor Vitiate who collapsed a temple while cut in half and exhausted, was utterly unable to be affected by Revan's TK and disintegrated metal casually.
Originally posted by carthage
Oh look Neph used a terrible example. Aryn Leneer is [b]bold slower than Dooku, and Dooku has kept up with Yoda unamped in AOTC as well. Dooku has fought faster than Obi wan could perceive, he is faster than Leneer as even Malgus could keep up with her to an extent. Dooku has replicated all of Leneer's feats and kept up with Yoda who is a tier ahead of Leneer in speed[/b]
Bold?
Dooku "kept up" as in he lost badly to a Yoda who was holding back on him. Wow, such a great feat. And I merely pointed Leneer out because she's a gnat compared to Vitiate. Not even worthy of sending his Wrath against. Yet she's still pretty much as fast as Dooku is or at least pretty close.
Originally posted by carthage
Vader has fought faster than being can perceive, reacted to turret fire, fought invisibly fast, formed afterimages with his saber, and moved fast enough to teleport to the perspective of Roan Shryne. He has more objective showings than HoT, whose at best kept up with Vitiate (who has no speed feats). Again stop scripting the ****ing match, there is a nexus present that Vader can draw on as well and since you've A:1. Not presented any speed feats for Vitiate
2. Revan sent him flying backwardThere is nothing you've presented that suggests Vader can't just dominate him with TK.
Yawn. Oh, I'm sorry were those feats supposed to impress me? Scourge also reacted to turret fire, hell he outran turret fire faaaar before his prime and the rest are mostly unimpressive trash feats that any bumpkin Jedi should be capable of. Whatever. The only standout is the teleport which I suspect is a crock of shit from you since Roan Shryn fought Vader equally in lightsabers. Unless it was done when Shyne had a diminished connection to the Force in which case whatever x2.
That's always your problem. Just because someone has "more" feats you think they're better. Vader's slower than the Hero by feats, just accept it. Blitzing wounded agricultural corps sucks compared to blitzing Sith Warriors.
I'm not scripting the fight. You're the one who says they'll try to blitz him and its common sense that he'll immediately attack with his best attacks.
1) Uh, yeah I have.
2) Uh, he shoved back a Vitiate who had is attention and power elsewhere.
Originally posted by carthage
That's not ironic?
Not very, me. Not very.
Originally posted by carthage
He dominated pre-prime Revan or Malak and compared to the Sith on this list they are fodder. Tenebrous alone supported massive boulders with casual ease, moved faster than pre-prime Plagueis, and used a technique similar to essence transfer to invade Plagueis. Note he did these things unamped unlike the weakling you fellate over (Vitiate). You've shown nothing that Vitiate can't get blitzed as you've presented no speed feats, all you've done is lowball and try to script the fightAdmit Vitiate's weakness, limitations, and failures
I think it's you who has the personal obsession, my child
But there was two of them and combined they're easily a Dooku. And since Vitiate only needed a fraction of his power to do it, that should tell you about the Counts chances. Oh my, boulders? And he can run fast and use essence transfer? How kewl. I give him maybe a Set Harth level. Of course, since none of those were telepathy feats they're all worthless so who gives a spanner.
These guys will not reach Vitiate's limitations.
Lol, more quote fail from you.