Kisame vs Kenpachi

Originally posted by pym-ftw
... so they train at a crawl? Idk this seems like a dumb argument. Ic Kenpachi doesn't blitz ever period. This seems like a legit argument but i never liked that part in the manga so...lol

Kisame can keep up with Gai who in turn is a much faster opponent than Kenpachi. Also lol at the eyepatch being equal to the Eight gates, maybe the first few but not all 8.

Just because theyve trained together (which by the way isnt confirmed theyve just done missions together thats it) does mean they are equal in speed..Thats like saying usain bolt's teammates are all as fast as him just because they train together which isnt the case at all

Kisame has never kept up with gai once any gate is opened idk what manga your reading.

Originally posted by yungz22
Kisame has never kept up with gai once any gate is opened idk what manga your reading.

The fact that he was able to fight on equal footing with Gai until like gate 7 says alot about how he can handle a significant speed difference.

Originally posted by socool8520
The fact that he was able to fight on equal footing with Gai until like gate 7 says alot about how he can handle a significant speed difference.

What? gai opened gate 4 and kisame couldnt keep up. What do you think would happen whrh he fights kenny and kenny takes of the eye patch

He uses the 6th gate the first time they fought and neither person won and then he had to go seventh gate to defeat him on that turtle island. What are you referring to?

Originally posted by socool8520
He uses the 6th gate the first time they fought and neither person won and then he had to go seventh gate to defeat him on that turtle island. What are you referring to?

What do you mean neither person won both times they fought gai won. Once gates open kisame stands no chance.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Still throwing insults as usual.

Concession accepted

How is Naruto continent/moon level when his best feat is also destroying a meteor?

He was also afraid of f**king lava

No he doesn't.

Juhabach solos Naruto

Still avoiding a debate because you're not smart enough to actually prove something.

Concession accepted.

Naruto's best feats are 1. Ripping the arm off of the mother of god, who has over moon level durability, 2. Cutting a continent sized tree in half with one attack, and 3. Fighting on par with someone who is stronger than Hagaromo.

When was he afraid of lava? He wasn't. Sakura and Kakashi were.

Juhaback gets raped by Kakashi. Who has perfect Susano'o. Which has feats capable of stomping the entire series of Bleach.

Originally posted by yungz22
What do you mean neither person won both times they fought gai won. Once gates open kisame stands no chance.

What? Gai had to use 7 of the eight gates to kill Kisame, who wasn't even full power OR in his shark skin form.

That's like when Yajirobe cut Vegeta when he was almost dead.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Still avoiding a debate because you're not smart enough to actually prove something.

Concession accepted.

Naruto's best feats are 1. Ripping the arm off of the mother of god, who has over moon level durability, 2. Cutting a continent sized tree in half with one attack, and 3. Fighting on par with someone who is stronger than Hagaromo.

When was he afraid of lava? He wasn't. Sakura and Kakashi were.

Juhaback gets raped by Kakashi. Who has perfect Susano'o. Which has feats capable of stomping the entire series of Bleach.

You are talking when Naruto is literally in god mode, that in its present state makes the universe abilities against literally a god who created ninjitsu. You can't exactly compare gods if we are talking the normal range of ability because you can just make up anything 😐 We aren't arguing Ichigo against Aizen in Mugetsu here because technically Aizen fused with the Hogyoku is comparable to god like powers. We are talking Kenpachi who at his highest feat doesn't even have bankai but can still cut a meteor that was going to destroy the seireitei, which is a city. He barely learned his Shikai which is LITERALLY the ability to cut ANYTHING. Kisame just evades everything and hides in water attacking when his enemy is unable to retaliate. He doesn't have any serious feats other than making a water dome, summoning sharks, and stealing peoples chakra with his sword to heal himself.

If you hit Kisame before he can heal himself he is done pretty much done, which is what beats him; which the ability to cut anything means hes done once he comes in melee range. If he drowned Kenpachi who probably would just blast the water away with his own reitsu that might be difficult.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
You are talking when Naruto is literally in god mode, that in its present state makes the universe abilities against literally a god who created ninjitsu. You can't exactly compare gods if we are talking the normal range of ability because you can just make up anything 😐 We aren't arguing Ichigo against Aizen in Mugetsu here because technically Aizen fused with the Hogyoku is comparable to god like powers. We are talking Kenpachi who at his highest feat doesn't even have bankai but can still cut a meteor that was going to destroy the seireitei, which is a city. He barely learned his Shikai which is LITERALLY the ability to cut ANYTHING. Kisame just evades everything and hides in water attacking when his enemy is unable to retaliate. He doesn't have any serious feats other than making a water dome, summoning sharks, and stealing peoples chakra with his sword to heal himself.

If you hit Kisame before he can heal himself he is done pretty much done, which is what beats him; which the ability to cut anything means hes done once he comes in melee range. If he drowned Kenpachi who probably would just blast the water away with his own reitsu that might be difficult.

I was responding to his statement that Juha Bach would solo Naruto's series. 😐 It's clear that that's nowhere near true, as Naruto would literally eat the entire Bleach series. That god tree feat was actually in base form though.

Statements, necessarily =/= feats. Kenny's sword can "cut anything", but I remember when Aizen was an unbeatable god, when Yoroichi was the fastest soul reaper to ever live, when Yamamoto was unbeatable, when Kenpachi was un-killable, yada, yada, yada. Statements tend to be exaggerated in Bleach, and get disproven a lot.

Well true, but Kisame doesn't need ridiculous strength feats. He's strong enough to fight on par physically with power houses on par with Raikage and Tsunade. He should be plenty able to at go toe to toe with Kenpachi. He also has feats of draining chakra, and killing, even though he isn't that strong. He makes up for his lack of attack power with his speed and abilities. Killer Bee, who was comparable in destructive power to Kenny, was totally unable to blow away the water dome. Kenny could do no such thing, given the feats of the two. Not to mention that he would be even slower under water, be unable to breath, and Kisame would be much faster, stronger, durable and able to stay indefinitely there.

Oh, and just fyi, Kisame can regenerate instantly when fused with Samehada.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I was responding to his statement that Juha Bach would solo Naruto's series. 😐 It's clear that that's nowhere near true, as Naruto would literally eat the entire Bleach series. That god tree feat was actually in base form though.

Statements, necessarily =/= feats. Kenny's sword can "cut anything", but I remember when Aizen was an unbeatable god, when Yoroichi was the fastest soul reaper to ever live, when Yamamoto was unbeatable, when Kenpachi was un-killable, yada, yada, yada. Statements tend to be exaggerated in Bleach, and get disproven a lot.

Well true, but Kisame doesn't need ridiculous strength feats. He's strong enough to fight on par physically with power houses on par with Raikage and Tsunade. He should be plenty able to at go toe to toe with Kenpachi. He also has feats of draining chakra, and killing, even though he isn't that strong. He makes up for his lack of attack power with his speed and abilities. Killer Bee, who was comparable in destructive power to Kenny, was totally unable to blow away the water dome. Kenny could do no such thing, given the feats of the two. Not to mention that he would be even slower under water, be unable to breath, and Kisame would be much faster, stronger, durable and able to stay indefinitely there.

Oh, and just fyi, Kisame can regenerate instantly when fused with Samehada.

Juha Bach we don't even know the extent of him at all. We just know that he steals the power of all the relatives that are related to him when they die. That is it. The Spirit King we know must be God like because his subordinate sinigami have god like powers to contribute to reality, but that is all we know. The tree is just a tool used by the goddess chick who caused ninjitsu to come into existence which all it does is suck all the chakra out of people and make them zetsus which we don't really know anything about.

Well there are certain aspects of Bleach that are absolute for its premise. The Shinigami's shikai abilities are aspects of reality/death and the statement specifically is that Kenpachi's Shikia in its now released form can cut anything. The other statements were just perceptions. Aizen however, is unkillable; he was beatable because that is what he desired from the Hogyouku that he find a worthy challenge, but thats it. The concept that he is unkillable is a premise like Kenpachis sword that cuts reality. Regardless of speed or strength Kisame has proven that in hand to hand he is vulnerable to destructive melee and his healing requires that the sword have absorbed enough and it isn't that fast as he has to temporarily stop attacking. KEnpachi would probably force him into melee and let him absorb all the spirit energy he wants as he has almost unlimited power then when he heals in arrogance after multiple times slice him in half and its over.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Still avoiding a debate because you're not smart enough to actually prove something.

Concession accepted.

Juhaback gets raped by Kakashi. Who has perfect Susano'o. Which has feats capable of stomping the entire series of Bleach.

Juhabach has 15 million degrees, reality warping, and 25 different Sternritter's abilities.

Gremmy alone would beat almost all Naruto characters one on one by dropping an Island sized meteor over them. And he's only a high tier

Bee wasnt even able to go all out against kisame because be was fighting while protecting his enka sensei for more than half the fight and also trying to hide from his brother..... Had he been able to go all out i think he would have beaten kisame..... If you think about it kisame has never dodge any off bees up close attacks so idk why gogeta thinks hell ve dodgeing kenpachi's

Bleach characters specialize in close combat

With some of these threads I'm trying to figure out exactly which universe holds the advantage. I feel like whether people realize it or not, most of them feel biased towards their favourite anime and so side with the characters from them in versus fights. I think Bleach holds the overall advantage by quite a wide margin in terms of speed and strength. Some characters from Naruto have hax abilities and have awesome speed feats and can compete but I think Bleach is a tier above. The more I think about it, the less I think Kisame would be able to even affect Kenpachi. He could get drained and that could be fatal to him but I doubt it would come to that.

Outside of Shunpo, what great speed or more accurately reaction feats does bleach have that gives them a speed advantage?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Outside of Shunpo, what great speed or more accurately reaction feats does bleach have that gives them a speed advantage?

Shunpo is the speed advantage

It's teleporting though... its cool but like IT its not exactly equivocal with reaction speed. I mean Naruto has a very similar technique in the Body Flicker.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
It's teleporting though... its cool but like IT its not exactly equivocal with reaction speed. I mean Naruto has a very similar technique in the Body Flicker.

Shunpo/flash step is not teleportation. Its when they takes steps at an extremely fast rate. As a result they cover alot of ground very quickly. Shunsui travelled miles within seconds during the ryoka invasion.

Shunpo is way more potent than body flicker nobody in naruto has demonstrated what shunpo can do. Barring FTG, Kamui

Naruto crossed a country with it.

Shunpo uses reitsu to launch them forward, its effectively teleportation.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Naruto crossed a country with it.

Shunpo uses reitsu to launch them forward, its effectively teleportation.

Where did naruto cross a country in an instant what chapter is that..... It even took him a while to get to each battlefield.

Teleportaion is movement through space/time dimensions. Shunpo is not that.

Shunpo has crossed miles faster than anyone innaruto has

Mount Myoboku to the battle with Pain.