I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.
Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?
How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?
Originally posted by Enzeru
I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?
How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?
Don't know if Professor X said that. I just know during SECRET WARS he failed to do much of anything to Galactus' basic defenses despite a modest amp from drawing Magneto's telepathy.
Superman was able to keep it together with the information of galaxies(I think it was) being destroyed and while he needed Waverider to free him, survived "infinite information" forced into his head from the multiverse by Dominus.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Don't know if Professor X said that. I just know during SECRET WARS he failed to do much of anything to Galactus' basic defenses despite a modest amp from drawing Magneto's telepathy.
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpg
And here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpg
Although to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.
However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg
But that feat is like ...
Originally posted by Delta1938
Superman was able to keep it together with the information of galaxies(I think it was) being destroyed and while he needed Waverider to free him, survived "infinite information" forced into his head from the multiverse by Dominus.
... this nonsense.
When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again!
Originally posted by Enzeru
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpgAnd here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpgAlthough to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.
However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpg
I'm not a mutant expert either. Based on the scans, it looked like Charles basically tried and failed. Maybe Galactus had his guard down for it. I dunno, I'm just going by those panels. The thing about "sandmanin'ing"(hey I like that term!!!) Galactus, that was actually a flashback of SECRET WARS and contradicts Professor X failing to even penetrate passive TP defenses despite help from Magneto. Could be a retcon, could just be the writer didn't do his homework. Not sure on that Phoenix thing either.
Originally posted by EnzeruBasically Dominus was forcing information from a multiverse, various possible timelines, into Superman's head. Think of Galactus putting the hatred of the Skrulls into Professor X's head, but on a WTF scale.
I can't talk too much about this now, because I'm not that well versed with X-Men comic. Never was into them, so I don't know all too much about the overall context, but from what I know Xavier once invaded Galactus' mind and hit him with the positive feelings of 8 billion Skrulls.
Galactus however hit Xavier back with all of their negative feelings:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/002-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/003-X-Men90.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/004-X-Men90.jpgAnd here Xavier stated that he could put everyone on the battlefield to sleep with a thought (Galactus was present as well):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120293/3330979-xavier4.jpg
http://www.flashbackuniverse.com/blogImages/PierreBlogImages/artOfResearch/Illuminati0X.jpgAlthough to be honest with him not being that effective against Galactus in the upper encounter I don't see him sandman'ing Galactus with a simple thought in the first place.
However, Xavier was fighting the Phoenix on an infinite planes of existence thingy WTF:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30174/2529351-z3fl0.jpgBut that feat is like ...
... this nonsense.
When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again!
Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm not a mutant expert either. Based on the scans, it looked like Charles basically tried and failed. Maybe Galactus had his guard down for it. I dunno, I'm just going by those panels. The thing about "sandmanin'ing"(hey I like that term!!!) Galactus, that was actually a flashback of SECRET WARS and contradicts Professor X failing to even penetrate passive TP defenses despite help from Magneto. Could be a retcon, could just be the writer didn't do his homework. Not sure on that Phoenix thing either.But that feat is like ...
... this nonsense.
When it comes to Supermans high end feats half of the time I don't even understand what it means. Infinite what? Oh come on, that doesn't even make sense! Not again!
Basically Dominus was forcing information from a multiverse, various possible timelines, into Superman's head. Think of Galactus putting the hatred of the Skrulls into Professor X's head, but on a WTF scale. [/B][/QUOTE]
The problem is that Xavier is a bit like J'onn. He has some amazing highs, but when he has lows? Holy shit, does he have lows. His average is around herald level in general, imo.
Re: Superman vs Mental attackers
Originally posted by CatL18
We saw him mindraped by strong telepath but he has resisted telepathy or mantal attack through his sheer willpower.
How strong is Superman against telepathy or mental attack?
And,Can he resist their mental attack?1)Psylocke
2)Emma Frost
3)Manchester Black
4)Professor X
5)Martian Manhunter
6)Despero
7)Thanos
extra1)Galactus
extra2)Dominus
extra3)Mr Mxyzptlk
Superman has awesome mind resistance feats against Manchester Black, Martian Manhunter, Braniac, Eclipso, Union (who was the sum of billions of beings' mental strengths), Neron, The telepath of the Fatal Five, Despero, Grodd, etc. Martian Manhunter once said, Superman's mind CAN'T BE DETECTED if Superman doesn't want it to be.
Professor X should be the highest, not Thanos. Thanos can't make the entire Marvel superbeings just go to sleep.
His Galactus showing doesn't warrant him being so high since he had help just to contact Galactus. Moondragon had PREPPED a mental plane in which Thanos can try to go into Galactus mind. But Galactus through him out easily when he discovered what was going on.
Originally posted by CatL18
Many people say that Superman is vulnerable to mantal attack, so, strong telepath can easily mindrape Superman.
But, I think that Superman has resisted mental attack through sheer willpower, so, Superman is invulnerable to mental attack.
Which is true?
Willpower? Whatever...
Originally posted by Delta1938
You're not alone. So many think just because he can be effected by it, he's weak against it, like it's Kryptonite or red solar energy. Thor has been effected by it. Hell, Loki turned him into a frog once(with prep). But do you see people arguing Thor is weak against magick? Of course, different writers have different opinions, and we've seen it treated as different types have different levels of effectiveness, but most don't treat Superman against it like many argue here and elsewhere. Also, he's straight-up overcome stuff like mystical ransformatin and a death god's "death power"(for lack of a better term) though sheer willpower.
Willpower? That's ****ing stupid if true.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I disagree with Thanos being that high on the list.Also, didn't Xavier say that he could put Galactus to sleep and didn't he also at one point invade Galactus mind to ... "mind-rape" him by confronting him with potential 8 billion Skrull victims if he ate their planet?
How could Superman resist the telepathy of someone like that?
Through "sheer willpower" or some other stupid ass excuse.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Willpower? That's ****ing stupid if true.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Comic book fans can accept just about any reason offered, but when there is no explanation, I'm not going to totally suspend logic and transform into a drooling fanboy just because everyone else is doing it.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong. Consistent portrayals WITH and explanations are logical and fine by me.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You can accept the explanation or not, but an explanation exists.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, and "Willpower" is not en explanation. Someone can't overturn physics because they want to. The last time I checked, that was called reality warping, which is a power in comics. Unless I missed something, that's not part of Superman's set.
Now, the explanation that it has something to do with the alien physiology of his brain is at least an accpetable explanation. Thanks for posting.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Through "sheer willpower" or some other stupid ass excuse.
I can see "willpower" giving a telepath a hard time in very specific cases like for example these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZ0Mr9N1G4
But yeah, I do understand why the willpower-thingy bothers you... simply because most of the time there is more to telepathic resistances than just being like: "I say the nay! Talk to my willpower!"...
Originally posted by Enzeru
I can see "willpower" giving a telepath a hard time in very specific cases like for example these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEZ0Mr9N1G4
But yeah, I do understand why the willpower-thingy bothers you... simply because most of the time there is more to telepathic resistances than just being like: "I say the nay! Talk to my willpower!"...
Exactly. Even if there is some formal training on how to resist such as is the case with Cyclops. But the term "sheer willpower" irritates the pluck out of me. As melodramatic is it is illogical.
