Originally posted by krisblaze
^Moving at Lightspeeds while fighting at normal speed is not the same as moving at light speeds while throwing attacks at light speed.You'll never see a feat where someone is explicitly stated to throw punches at lightspeed, and not just move at lightspeed...
Thor chasing and catching Hermes (whom the others could not see because they did not have light-speed reactions) is the closest you'll come.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That Thor-Hermes scene is wildly out of context. Thor could see Hermes because he was a god and others weren't. In fact Thor was totally unable to tag Hermes even once when he was hitting trees only. Later on Monica was actually outracing Hermes saying he was too slow compared to her.
He grabbed him eventually 😐
For anybody interested here is how fast Hermes was stated to be in that comic. "Moving almost too fast for human eyes to see."
He sure seemed lightspeed there.
And then there is Thor unable to land a single hit on Hermes.
And then he grabs Hermes' heel when Hermes was just cruising along unaware that Thor was even there. From behind.
It wasn't due to Thor possessing extraordinary speed that he was able to see Hermes, it was due to his godly nature. What this example shows that seeing=/=able to react. Heck, even human Captain Marvel was able to transform into light faster than Hermes could react.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor could see Hermes because he was a god and others weren't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
For anybody interested here is how fast Hermes was stated to be in that comic. "Moving almost too fast for human eyes to see."He sure seemed lightspeed there.
And then there is Thor unable to land a single hit on Hermes.
And then he grabs Hermes' heel when Hermes was just cruising along unaware that Thor was even there. From behind.
It wasn't due to Thor possessing extraordinary speed that he was able to see Hermes, it was due to his godly nature. What this example shows that seeing=/=able to react. Heck, even human Captain Marvel was able to transform into light faster than Hermes could react.
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None of your scans actually disprove Thor catching Hermes, and the claim that Thor's feat is dependent on his "godly nature" is an entirely made-up one.
Originally posted by Epicurus
This statement is directly contradicted by your own scan in which Captain Marvel chides him, then blasts him.Hermes wasn't "reacting" to Captain Marvel. Transforming into light is a whole different ball-game as opposed to tagging someone moving at superspeed.
None of your scans actually disprove Thor catching Hermes, and the claim that Thor's feat is dependent on his "godly nature" is an entirely made-up one.
And Thor said it that "No human eyes could". That doesn't mean he is saying he is fast or something, just that no human eyes could see Hermes at that point.
Or the alternative is that Hermes is faster than Monica to the point that she can't even see him. But Thor is somehow faster than Monica who can see him. Which turns out to be false in the very same comic. Heck, a human nurse saw him while he was spiriting Hercules away, random people on street saw him while he was fighting Avengers and everything in between.
Long story short, its not a speed feat at all. Instead it shows how Thor can't hit a speedster who "moves almost too fast for human eyes to see." and "reacts almost as fast as human monica" as per narration itself.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? That's why in one case Captain Marvel can't even see Hermes and then in another is actually faster than him?And Thor said it that "No human eyes could". That doesn't mean he is saying he is fast or something, just that no human eyes could see Hermes at that point.
[b]Or the alternative is that Hermes is faster than Monica to the point that she can't even see him. But Thor is somehow faster than Monica who can see him.
Which turns out to be false in the very same comic. Heck, a human nurse saw him while he was spiriting Hercules away, random people on street saw him while he was fighting Avengers and everything in between.Long story short, its not a speed feat at all. Instead it shows how Thor can't hit a speedster who "moves almost too fast for human eyes to see." and "reacts almost as fast as human monica" as per narration itself. [/B]
No human eyes could see is a loaded phrase, which doesn't necessarily mean that Hermes was magically cloaked like a Yautja Predator from the other Avengers. From the way I see it, it appears more like Thor meant that only a god could have the sufficiently advanced perception/processing capability to visualize someone operating at that speed. But either ways, saying that Hermes has some god-made cloaking ability is patently incorrect seeing how Marvel chides him before blasting him away.
Monica outruns him by turning into light. Which isn't the same thing as actually speeding up.
No, that's your own take on the feat. There is literally nothing in any of the scans you posted which suggests that Thor relied on some special circumstance to grab him, instead of just tagging a guy who's very fast. TBH, this almost seems like some of those bait-the-Thor-fan attempts you made at "debunking" Thor's feats in the Debunking thread.
Originally posted by Epicurus
But she does see him when she blasts him. Your own scan clearly depicts that.No human eyes could see is a loaded phrase, which doesn't necessarily mean that Hermes was magically cloaked like a Yautja Predator from the other Avengers. From the way I see it, it appears more like Thor meant that only a god could have the sufficiently advanced perception/processing capability to visualize someone operating at that speed. But either ways, saying that Hermes has some god-made cloaking ability is patently incorrect seeing how Marvel chides him before blasting him away.
Monica outruns him by turning into light. Which isn't the same thing as actually speeding up.
No, that's your own take on the feat. There is literally nothing in any of the scans you posted which suggests that Thor relied on some special circumstance to grab him, instead of just tagging a guy who's very fast. TBH, this almost seems like some of those bait-the-Thor-fan attempts you made at "debunking" Thor's feats in the Debunking thread.
Yes he still was late in tagging Hermes when he finally got close to him, but Thor was inside the hospital room which was still from across the street and he had to come at him from there.
I don't know how I forgot this.
Originally posted by Epicurus
But she does see him when she blasts him. Your own scan clearly depicts that.No human eyes could see is a loaded phrase, which doesn't necessarily mean that Hermes was magically cloaked like a Yautja Predator from the other Avengers. From the way I see it, it appears more like Thor meant that only a god could have the sufficiently advanced perception/processing capability to visualize someone operating at that speed. But either ways, saying that Hermes has some god-made cloaking ability is patently incorrect seeing how Marvel chides him before blasting him away.
Monica outruns him by turning into light. Which isn't the same thing as actually speeding up.
No, that's your own take on the feat. There is literally nothing in any of the scans you posted which suggests that Thor relied on some special circumstance to grab him, instead of just tagging a guy who's very fast. TBH, this almost seems like some of those bait-the-Thor-fan attempts you made at "debunking" Thor's feats in the Debunking thread.
It absolutely does. In one scene Monica couldn't even see him and then suddenly she could and actually outreact him.
She outreacted him as a human too when she turned into light as narration states it.
That's only explanation of the scene. Maybe you need writer to spoon feed everything, but I don't. And why would I do anything "debunking" here? Thor is outright shown to be unable to even tag someone who could "run almost too fast for eyes" and sub light speed? Now Thor fan can say that Thor would be able to see Superman while he would beat the shit out of him at superspeed at least.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What he left out was the page before Thor chased Hermes into the park. Thor spotted him from across the street through the hospital window Hercules was supposed to be in. If anything it showed Thor's keen eyesight(well compared to mortals as he said)and his ability to track folks moving in super speed. Nothing more, nothing less.Yes he still was late in tagging Hermes when he finally got close to him, but Thor was inside the hospital room which was still from across the street and he had to come at him from there.
You are absolutely hilarious though, I'll give you that.
