Originally posted by Rikudo senninokay, assuming that every ninja is supersonic (which is really only your interpretation of the series and that wasn't established in the manga,ever.)
Considering in the time it was shot he ran backwards, grabbed his team mates THEN dodged it he made the feat even more impressive.
My point is that average ninja's move far faster than peak human. Considering the fact that Gai and Lee could train for days on end I am sure they didn't take any breaks. Neji is on their level.
2)who says that they can maintain that speed for an entire day ? not that travelling speed = combat speed
point is : if it wasn't stated that they were moving at super sonic speed for an entire day non stop then it's what you want the naruto verse to be not what it actually is.
again,anything above peak human is unquantifiable. supersonic is just an assumption.
Using that logic I can say anyone is slower than they actually are because their peed wasn't stated. They are clearly faster than Sasuke and have showed great stamina.using your logic, enes lobby is thousands of miles wide because luffy took 2 hours to cross it when he had hypersonic feats before
Originally posted by Destructo dick
okay, assuming that every ninja is supersonic (which is really only your interpretation of the series and that wasn't established in the manga,ever.)
1)what makes you think this wasn't an outlier ? like kakashi taking 5 seconds to reach pain when he's a few feats in front of him ? 'member that ?2)who says that they can maintain that speed for an entire day ? not that travelling speed = combat speed
point is : if it wasn't stated that they were moving at super sonic speed for an entire day non stop then it's what you want the naruto verse to be not what it actually is.
again,anything above peak human is unquantifiable. supersonic is just an assumption.
using your logic, enes lobby is thousands of miles wide because luffy took 2 hours to cross it when he had hypersonic feats before
It has been established for a while.
1) THAT IS AN OUTLIER. Because it is so low compared to virtually every other feat even from fodder. Supersonic feats are not.
2) Yep the people who can gruesomely train for days on end suddenly can't simply run for a long time. That makes sense.
3) Unaccounting for so many variables within the story.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennincare to post where that was stated ? if it isn't stated that every born ninja and their grandma is supersonic then applying it to calculate distance is not a good idea.
It has been established for a while.
1) THAT IS AN OUTLIER. Because it is so low compared to virtually every other feat even from fodder. Supersonic feats are not.and using your method will give us inflated numbers that ARE outliers. we can do it to 90% of fiction (specially one piece) and get inflated results that are ridiculous within the context of the story
2) Yep the people who can gruesomely train for days on end suddenly can't simply run for a long time. That makes sense.training =/= combat speed (which is sasuke's feat) =/= travelling speed.
let me explain it a bit more for you, when you're in a fight you exert your maximum capacity .in training you show moderate capacity to you know train not kill yourself. when travelling you just walk.
it's like comparing someone who is running for his life from a gang trying to kill him to someone walking to his friend's house.
same concept.
it's possible to walk for an entire day but you'll die if you run at the same speed as when you're fighting.
point is. the two things are non comparable. show me a continuous travel speed that is supersonic from people the same level as tenten.
3) Unaccounting for so many variables within the story.like ? but that doesn't matter since there is still imple down being a few thousand kilometers wide and high or marine ford being the size of a planet :^)
Originally posted by RaventheOnlymonths try years lol.... The lois and clark expedition went from st. Lois to oregon and it took the 2 years
It takes several months to walk from one coast of the US to the other and thats with roads and crap across what is known as a single continent. In addition you saying they walked from one nation to another in three days tells me that its even smaller.... >.> So yeeeeaaaahhhh that doesn't prove much in terms of distance.
Originally posted by Destructo dick
care to post where that was stated ? if it isn't stated that every born ninja and their grandma is supersonic then applying it to calculate distance is not a good idea.and using your method will give us inflated numbers that ARE outliers. we can do it to 90% of fiction (specially one piece) and get inflated results that are ridiculous within the context of the story
training =/= combat speed (which is sasuke's feat) =/= travelling speed.
let me explain it a bit more for you, when you're in a fight you exert your maximum capacity .in training you show moderate capacity to you know train not kill yourself. when travelling you just walk.
it's like comparing someone who is running for his life from a gang trying to kill him to someone walking to his friend's house.
same concept.it's possible to walk for an entire day but you'll die if you run at the same speed as when you're fighting.
point is. the two things are non comparable. show me a continuous travel speed that is supersonic from people the same level as tenten.
like ? but that doesn't matter since there is still imple down being a few thousand kilometers wide and high or marine ford being the size of a planet :^)
Ok I guess your right. I won't scale the area using combat speeds.
This thread is retarded.
1. RavenTheRetard and Dumbz are acting like Gai can only run at normal human walking speed, when he has reacted to light speed warping.
2. Gremmy's destruction feats don't even touch Madara's casual conjurings.
3. Either way, Gai moves as fast during travel as he does in combat, at TOP SPEED. He has outran explosions casually, and gone so far above the speed of sound that Ulquiorra wouldn't be able to react. Either way, we can calc at the LEAST that the Naruto world is as large as ours, while there are only a few islands and one super-continent(yeah, even though Yungz thinks super-continents don't exist. look up Pangaea. 👆)
I just... wow.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
This thread is retarded.1. RavenTheRetard and Dumbz are acting like Gai can only run at normal human walking speed, when he has reacted to light speed warping.
2. Gremmy's destruction feats don't even touch Madara's casual conjurings.
3. Either way, Gai moves as fast during travel as he does in combat, at TOP SPEED. He has outran explosions casually, and gone so far above the speed of sound that Ulquiorra wouldn't be able to react. Either way, we can calc at the LEAST that the Naruto world is as large as ours, while there are only a few islands and one super-continent(yeah, even though Yungz thinks super-continents don't exist. look up Pangaea. 👆)
I just... wow.
I just said they do what are you talking about
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta This thread is retarded.indeed. Full of noobs
1. RavenTheRetard and Dumbz are acting like Gai can only run at normal human walking speed, when he has reacted to light speed warping.I always laugh at this when I see it xD
Altleast post a scan to back that up.
3. Either way, Gai moves as fast during travel as he does in combat, at TOP SPEEDsays who? You? Are we supposed to take what ever you say as absolute fact or something? Or are you claiming that tenten is as fast as top speed gai? Post a scan please. (Btw I believe that part 1 gated lee and cursed seal sasuke are above tenten in part 2 since they had far better feat+implied to be chounin level and above)
He has outran explosions casually, and gone so far above the speed of sound that Ulquiorra wouldn't be able to react. Either way, we can calc at the LEAST that the Naruto world is as large as ours, while there are only a few islands and one super-continent(yeah, even though Yungz thinks super-continents don't exist. look up Pangaea. 👆)you can't CALC how big the freakin planet is lol that's outright fallacious, we can however assume that it's as big as earth just to be safe (but nothing more and nothing less unless you're a downplayer/wanker or planning to make fanfiction or you have evidence to point otherwise) so I agree with you thereI just... wow. [/B]
Secondly that isn't a "super continent" since there are other continents
Originally posted by Destructo dick
okay, assuming that every ninja is supersonic (which is really only your interpretation of the series and that wasn't established in the manga,ever.)
1)what makes you think this wasn't an outlier ? like kakashi taking 5 seconds to reach pain when he's a few feats in front of him ? 'member that ?2)who says that they can maintain that speed for an entire day ? not that travelling speed = combat speed
point is : if it wasn't stated that they were moving at super sonic speed for an entire day non stop then it's what you want the naruto verse to be not what it actually is.
again,anything above peak human is unquantifiable. supersonic is just an assumption.
using your logic, enes lobby is thousands of miles wide because luffy took 2 hours to cross it when he had hypersonic feats before
1. It took Kakashi ONE second to reach Pain, who had just shrugged off Choji and Choza with almighty push. Kakashi immediately came up from under ground the second afterwords so he couldn't use almighty push. 👆
2. Madara and Hashirama had battles that lasted DAYS before. They were the strongest before current, but they could fight that long at that speed. This points to most ninja being able to at least maintain THEIR top speed for this much time, albeit nowhere near Madara's or Hashirama's.
3. Supersonic is no assumption when a weak character like curse mark Sasuke could casually and COMPLETELY blitz a giant wave of sound, being able to go back, grab Naruto and Sakura, move them to a different spot and lay them down, then go back to Dosu and co. Sasuke at that point had feats below that of even nine-tailed Naruto, who was stomped by Kimimaro, who Lee fought on par with, and Gaara beat in his third form. 👆
Yeah, all and all, the only thing you have to rely on is outlier to disprove something that was established a long time ago. 👆
Originally posted by Destructo dick
indeed. Full of noobsI always laugh at this when I see it xD
Altleast post a scan to back that up.
says who? You? Are we supposed to take what ever you say as absolute fact or something? Or are you claiming that tenten is as fast as top speed gai? Post a scan please. (Btw I believe that part 1 gated lee and cursed seal sasuke are above tenten in part 2 since they had far better feat+implied to be chounin level and above) you can't CALC how big the freakin planet is lol that's outright fallacious, we can however assume that it's as big as earth just to be safe (but nothing more and nothing less unless you're a downplayer/wanker or planning to make fanfiction or you have evidence to point otherwise) so I agree with you there
Secondly that isn't a "super continent" since there are other continents
Clearly.
Here's Lee throwing his Kunai in accordance to Minato's warping. In other words, reacting to it. Not to mention that even Kakashi is faster with warping than Minato, as Obito almost was, and Kakashi's warp is twice as fast as Obito's. 👆
All you're accomplishing here is making a flawed distinction between combat speed an travel speed. Gai, like anyone else that can't teleport, can move faster when jumping from one step than he can when running. That should be obvious. 👆
Sasuke and Naruto in their nine tailed and cursed forms are only around chunin level. Kakashi overpowered Sasuke's curse mark, and Orochimaru casually sealed Naruto with a gesture. Tenten was able to use the lightning brothers ninja tools, which only jinchuriki level chakra's were supposed to be capable of. She's a lot stronger than many people give her credit for.
No, with the right kind of pixel scaling, especially if used on the most recent chapter, you could calc the exact size of the planet. You would get that it's equal to, or larger than Earth. Either way though, calcs like that can be unreliable because the author's don't always draw to scale, meaning that we have to ASSUME that the planet is Earth sized, just to be perfectly safe when debating different series in which it's not specified. As I've said many times already. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta1)nope read it again
1. It took Kakashi ONE second to reach Pain, who had just shrugged off Choji and Choza with almighty push. Kakashi immediately came up from under ground the second afterwords so he couldn't use almighty push. 👆2. Madara and Hashirama had battles that lasted DAYS before. They were the strongest before current, but they could fight that long at that speed. This points to most ninja being able to at least maintain THEIR top speed for this much time, albeit nowhere near Madara's or Hashirama's.
3. Supersonic is no assumption when a weak character like curse mark Sasuke could casually and COMPLETELY blitz a giant wave of sound, being able to go back, grab Naruto and Sakura, move them to a different spot and lay them down, then go back to Dosu and co. Sasuke at that point had feats below that of even nine-tailed Naruto, who was stomped by Kimimaro, who Lee fought on par with, and Gaara beat in his third form. 👆
Yeah, all and all, the only thing you have to rely on is outlier to disprove something that was established a long time ago. 👆
2)> comparing madara and hashirama to tenten 👆
3)first of all, curse mark sasuke could very well be above tenten and there is no proof that he can maintain that speed for an entire day that's your assumption
you also only rely on a single combat feat and scaling it to a weaker character to travel speed 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaalright WHAT! ?
Clearly.Here's Lee throwing his Kunai in accordance to Minato's warping. In other words, reacting to it. Not to mention that even Kakashi is faster with warping than Minato, as Obito almost was, and Kakashi's warp is twice as fast as Obito's. 👆
teleporting isn't even a speed and if you're claiming that lee has infinite speed then WHAT?
jesus man, it's clearly your misinterpretation of what happened.
lee obviously threw the kunai THEN minato teleported there NOT during
and the whole thing is CLEARLY an outlier (lightspeed or not) as in how in the **** did lee's kunai go several times faster than 8th gate gai ? shit doesn't make sense
and if we're agreeing that naruto's world is as big as ours then i think we should drop the whole supersonic debate fiasco as it's pointless now. but still, the naruto ninja continent isn't a "super continent" as there are clearly other continent as adressed by other members
Originally posted by Destructo dick
1)nope read it again
a bit different from what you said but still clearly an outlier to fit the plot.
just like team gai taking a day to reach the sand country to fit the plot 👆 (or they simply weren't going as fast as you want them to)2)> comparing madara and hashirama to tenten 👆
3)first of all, curse mark sasuke could very well be above tenten and there is no proof that he can maintain that speed for an entire day that's your assumption
you also only rely on a single combat feat and scaling it to a weaker character to travel speed 👆
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Nope. As you can see, Kakashi had worked the chains with Choji and Choza's jutsu's so well that they could constrict Deva Pain, and Kakashi could come back up with Raikiri before five seconds passed. This isn't even an argument, you're mis-stating the feats so that they work in your favor. Liar. 👆
2. I compared the length they could fight to all the other ninja's. Madara was getting beat up, and tired as the Biju thrashed him. Raikage could take on the Eight tails by himself. Either way, there are examples of using their speed for days on end, proving our statements true, and yours false. Burden of proof is on you at this point. 👆
3. No. Not unless we're talking Shippuden Sasuke. Tenten was on par with Neji while fighting Kisame. She also managed to use Ginkaku and Kinkaku's tools. She has jinchuriki level chakra. That's a great feat, above typical Jonin level. 👆
How is that? I have used dozens of feats to prove this, such as Raikage being faster than lightning, Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt, Sasuke easily outrunning sound as a kid, and light speed warping like Hiraishin being overcome by characters as fast as Jyuubito and Jyuubidara.
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Originally posted by Destructo dick
alright WHAT! ?teleporting isn't even a speed and if you're claiming that lee has infinite speed then WHAT?
jesus man, it's clearly your misinterpretation of what happened.lee obviously threw the kunai THEN minato teleported there NOT during
and the whole thing is CLEARLY an outlier (lightspeed or not) as in how in the **** did lee's kunai go several times faster than 8th gate gai ? shit doesn't make sense
and if we're agreeing that naruto's world is as big as ours then i think we should drop the whole supersonic debate fiasco as it's pointless now. but still, the naruto ninja continent isn't a "super continent" as there are clearly other continent as adressed by other members
1. Teleporting is speed, dumb-dumb. Minato teleports at light speed. This has been stated. He doesn't have instant transmission. Retard.
2. So what are you saying? Lee was able to throw a kunai almost as fast as Minato could warp. Light speed. 👆
3. Lee was 6th gate. It doesn't seem that strange that Lee throwing a kunai at full speed could move faster than 8th gate Gai, considering they moved about the same speed, and Gai was almost done after the first Evening elephant strike, because it hurt so much.
4. Islands =/= Continents. I swear, it's like I'm talking to a five year old. Mount Myoboku, the largest land mass that is separated from the ninja countries, is only a large island with a mountain range covering most of it. That's pretty large, proving the size of Naruto's world to be at least as large as, if not larger, than ours.
And how does that make the "fiasco" pointless? All it proves is that the characters don't move at full speed when traveling, which should be common sense. Gaara moving at full speed with the other kage reached another country in just a few short minutes. That should be proof enough. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. Teleporting is speed, dumb-dumb. Minato teleports at light speed. This has been stated. He doesn't have instant transmission. Retard.2. So what are you saying? Lee was able to throw a kunai almost as fast as Minato could warp. Light speed. 👆
3. Lee was 6th gate. It doesn't seem that strange that Lee throwing a kunai at full speed could move faster than 8th gate Gai, considering they moved about the same speed, and Gai was almost done after the first Evening elephant strike, because it hurt so much.
4. Islands =/= Continents. I swear, it's like I'm talking to a five year old. Mount Myoboku, the largest land mass that is separated from the ninja countries, is only a large island with a mountain range covering most of it. That's pretty large, proving the size of Naruto's world to be at least as large as, if not larger, than ours.
And how does that make the "fiasco" pointless? All it proves is that the characters don't move at full speed when traveling, which should be common sense. Gaara moving at full speed with the other kage reached another country in just a few short minutes. That should be proof enough. 👆
Teleportation doesnt equal light speed. Teleportation has to do with moving through dimensions its a space/time thing. Minato's hiraishin is a space time jutsu. Its transfer of matter or energy from one point to another without traversing the physical space between them. Think of it as going from america to europe but skipping the the atlantic ocean. Teleportation skips the distance that needs to be travelled
When something moves at the speed of light it means that they are travelling the whole distance between two points at over 650 million miles per hour. Which is a crazy number if you think about it. One who could travel at the speed of light could move around the earth 7.5 times in one second. Light speed and teleportation are not the same.
You cant teleport at light speed that makes no sense as teleportation is not measurable by movement. Lightspeed is a term used for traveling over six hundred and fifty million mph instead of saying all that we say lightspeed for short.
The only character ive seen that could reach light speed is the flash and he nearly killed himself doing so.
Everything else you wrote sounds ok tho kaguya's ability to teleport greatly hinders gremmy chance of victory especially since gremmy has zero speed feats and stays in the same spot when he fights