Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact the those shockwaves only happen with the punches thrown while flying should clue them into the fact that flight speed plays a rather large part....but then you can't really expect much from Superman fans.
Bro you can't even make an argument for Snake Eyes in any thread. You think you fooling anyone with retarded parroting posts such as these? Have a spine once in a while.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact the those shockwaves only happen with the punches thrown while flying should clue them into the fact that flight speed plays a rather large part....but then you can't really expect much from Superman fans.
Ohhohohohoho, sunk to snide passive aggression have we?
Anyways, the fact that they react just fine while zipping around DBZ style is more than enough to put their reactions there
Did you even watch the movie? Did you see them kryptonians all moving around in blur speed as they fought? No. Because they resumed normal-ish speeds when they fight.
"we can see them move they must be slow"
:giogio
Please don't tell me we've sunk to using the carver "if it doesn't have flashy speed lines, blurs or afterimages it's not a speed feat" way of thinking?
Isn't it beyond obvious stylistic portrayal is worthless by now?
Originally posted by StealthRangerPlease don't tell me we've sunk to using the carver "if it doesn't have flashy speed lines, blurs or afterimages it's not a speed feat" way of thinking?
Isn't it beyond obvious stylistic portrayal is worthless by now?
It's not just about how they were portrayed, it's about how they were portrayed with varying speeds. Sometimes they're slow sometimes they're fast and it's not like 300 where it's obvious the camera is making them move in slow mo or speeding things up. Everyone else around them moves at the same speed but the kryptonians vary their speeds.
Fact is, they fly and charge at superspeed but they fight in normal speed. You can choose to ignore this but it doesn't change the fact that this is how they were portrayed in the movie. You can decide to interpret this as "Oh they slowed them down so we can watch them fight properly". But me, I choose to interpret this as I see it happen on screen, without wishful thinking.
Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not just about how they were portrayed, it's about how they were portrayed with varying speeds. Sometimes they're slow sometimes they're fast and it's not like 300 where it's obvious the camera is making them move in slow mo or speeding things up. Everyone else around them moves at the same speed but the kryptonians vary their speeds.
Reminds me of the time that people tried to downplay Sephiroth and Zack, saying their fight was only peak human level speeds because "it didn't look fast" or how Matrix Agents fights only appear at peak human speeds despite various feats of bullet timing
High end speed feats are definitive of a character's performance (it's easier to portray a laser making it to the moon in a second then it is to cross a baseball field in what what would be accurate times IRL. Short distance timing is irrelevant, they're not going to portray shit in microseconds)
Think "instances of speed feats" vs "fights where they don't pull off Wesker esque shit in them"
Fact is, they fly and charge at superspeed but they fight in normal speed. You can choose to ignore this but it doesn't change the fact that they don't always fight in super speed.
By your logic DBZ characters aren't sub relativistic as Gotenks' speed feats of flying around the Earth 7 times in a few seconds doesn't count and/or, when DBZ characters fight they don't fly around the Earth many times every second
The rest is just "it looked slow so therefore it is slow", which isn't an argument, at all
You can decide to interpret this as "Oh they slowed them down so we can watch them fight properly". But me, I choose to interpret this as I see it happen on screen, without wishful thinking.
My apologies if I like to keep some sense of consistency
The difference between Kryptonians and Matrix agents is that the agents actually have superspeed combat feats... where we see them evading bullets while standing still or when Smith delivers multiple blurred blows against Morpheus. Same can be said for DBZ, sure they don't always fight at super speed, but they have multiple instances where they do, where all you see are blurs or next to nothing because they're fighting to fast to see.
In comparison,the only speed feats of kryptonians we see are of them flying and charging. Show me feats of them performing multiple complex actions in super speed and that would be something. Even if they don't do it all the time, at least we know they can do it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Not his punches. It's his flight that creates sonicbooms. Even if he has a fist pointed forward that's not his punch but his flight that breaks the sound barrier. Though I'm still wondering how he takes out The Destroyer.
By punching it.
Did you even watch the movie? Did you see them kryptonians all moving around in blur speed as they fought? No. Because they resumed normal-ish speeds when they fight.
Whenever we were shown the fight from a human's perspective, yeah. But most of the time we followed the fight from Superman's perspective.
Don't be an idiot.
I'm still unconvinced the kryptonians can maintain their superspeed for a long duration, unless it's flight speed. They seem to do it in bursts and need to stop to get their bearings.
There is no reason to assume this.
In any case, I'm not even saying Superman loses. It just won't be as easy as people seem to think. I say he wins maybe 7/10
He kills them all.