MoS Superman vs Hulk & Kurse & Destroyer & Thor

Originally posted by FrothByte
It really depends on how much weight you're trying to lift vs. how much weight you're trying to stop with a punch.

For example, lifting a 20 pound barbell over your head is easier that trying to stop a 300 pound man from crashing into you by using a punch.

And what's with all this name calling? I point out a valid argument that you disagree with and you resort to name calling? How old are you anyway?

He didn't stop it all the way, or on his own, he had help from cratering it into the ground, as well as Iron Man blowing the tail end up. Is this not clear?

The object was lifted through anti gravity, so it was not that heavy so all he was trying to stop was a slow moving object lifted by its own power.

You started the name calling when you called me a dumbass, or did you forget that as well?

Originally posted by carver9
That's why I am asking you for the clip. I could be wrong, show it to me.

I'm also trying to figure out what training he went through. I remember him learning how to fly. What else happened? I am asking you questions, being objective. I'm not giving a certainty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlINHSnUx9k

At 0:22- "You've grown stronger here than I ever could have imagined. The only way to know how strong is to.... Keep... Testing... Your Limits"

So he had to keep testing the limits of his strength to get stronger. That's just the way his powers worked.

Team wins but superman makes them work for it.

Originally posted by carver9
He halted it and the oil ridge isn't as big as the alien or as dense. Not saying that it wasn't heavy but the difference between the two is spot on.

If you actually watch the clips of both, the oil rig and Leviathan seem to be of fairly comparable size (the Leviathan did seem to be longer than the tower was tall, but the base of the tower seemed wider overall than the head part of the Leviathan). And you also have no idea how dense the Leviathan is. Considering it was holding Chitauri troops, and Iron Man flew into one of them, we can clearly see that they are not solid internally.

Originally posted by carver9

Why would I need to provide proof of Hulk lifting something and throwing it away when he punched something bigger and halted it? I can lift a 15 pound wight with ease and I can toss it but punching it some distance is next to impossible, especially punching one that is coming at me with Ironman speed.

When did he punch the Leviathan some distance? Oh wait, he didn't. He didn't punch it ANY distance whatsoever. Let me put it to you this way. I do martial arts and sometimes we do strength training, by pushing against each other, testing our strength and momentum against the other persons'. I am strong enough to pit myself against guys that outweigh me by 30 or 40lbs, and stop their momentum if they crash into me (though they will obviously knock me back a step or two, like the Leviathan pushed the Hulk some distance). Can I casually lift and toss that same person with one hand? Of course not.

Punching or pushing against something (and not sending it some distance, because the Hulk NEVER sent the Leviathan any distance whatsoever), is not even remotely the same thing as lifting a weight and throwing it. So yes, you actually need a comparable lifting feat for him if you plan on making that claim.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not suggesting anything about Hulk lifting an oil tower. Just think that it's not fair that people are lowballing Hulk's leviathan feat while at the same time praising Superman's oil rig.

I never said you were. I specifically mentioned Carver. I wasn't lowballing Hulk or praising Superman. I was pointing out that the 2 feats are vastly different, and that if someone wants to make a claim about Hulk lifting the oil rig, one-handed and with ease, using the Leviathan feat doesn't cut it.

Originally posted by FrothByte

Hulk may not have stopped all it's momentum, but he certainly stopped it's forward momentum.

It only had forward momentum. It was coming directly at the Avengers. Hulk's punch did not stop ALL of its momentum, because it was forward momentum that caused it to flip over. The back end of the Leviathan still wanted to move forward, which is why it flipped over when Hulk drove its head into the concrete. If Hulk had stopped all of its momentum, it would have stopped dead on the ground in front of him. Not flipped over. How is this so hard to understand?

MOS has vastly superior feats to everybody here. He has heat vision that can collapse buildings, the durability to have trains and satellites smashed into him without harm, hypersonic flight, strength to toss trains, etc. A drop from 30,000 feet KOed Hulk and Supes can definitely generate that kinetic energy tenfold. World Engine and Singularity, not to mention punches that were creating shockwaves that demolished parts of buildings, trumps Jotunheim Blast. Supes will speedblitz the phucking shit out of Thor and Kurse. Destroyer will get brutally destroyed, probably through HV.

I think he wins because with his speed he can single out every single one of the, except for thor. Just like he did Zod back in smallville. And when he temporarily BFRed NamEk to deal with Faora.

I am using a peak Superman fighting smart though.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

It only had forward momentum. It was coming directly at the Avengers. Hulk's punch did not stop ALL of its momentum, because it was forward momentum that caused it to flip over. The back end of the Leviathan still wanted to move forward, which is why it flipped over when Hulk drove its head into the concrete. If Hulk had stopped all of its momentum, it would have stopped dead on the ground in front of him. Not flipped over. How is this so hard to understand?

Not hard to understand, and I agree with you.

However, what I'd like to point out is that the amount of strength necessary for Hulk to stop that leviathan's forward momentum enough that it needed to flip over seems more than the amount of strength MOS needed to support that oil rig which was falling AT AN ANGLE.

Superman wasn't supporting the entire weight of that tower after all. It was leaning at an angle which he tried to stop, meaning he was only supporting part of the weight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not hard to understand, and I agree with you.

However, what I'd like to point out is that the amount of strength necessary for Hulk to stop that leviathan's forward momentum enough that it needed to flip over seems more than the amount of strength MOS needed to support that oil rig which was falling AT AN ANGLE.

Superman wasn't supporting the entire weight of that tower after all. It was leaning at an angle which he tried to stop, meaning he was only supporting part of the weight.

If the object is lifted by its own anti gravity how on earth is it heavier then an oil rig tower? A weighted static lift of a tower filled with thousands of gallons of oil and metal not lifted by anything is heavier then a slug lifted by its own power. Hulk didn't lift anything here.

An object 6 feet over from tipping is fully at weight bro. Gimme a break with not the full weight.

MoS didn't try to stop it, he did stop it. End of story.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
If the object is lifted by its own anti gravity how on earth is it heavier then an oil rig tower? A weighted static lift of a tower filled with thousands of gallons of oil and metal not lifted by anything is heavier then a slug lifted by its own power. Hulk didn't lift anything here.

An object 6 feet over from tipping is fully at weight bro. Gimme a break with not the full weight.

MoS didn't try to stop it, he did stop it. End of story.

Gravity or anti-gravity has nothing to do with mass. Just because an airplane flies doesn't mean it won't crush you if it hits you. Force = mass x acceleration. Basic physics. Something a 32 yr old should know.

Hulk didn't lift the leviathan, it's not a lifting feat, I don't think anyone said it was a lifting feat. It was a strength feat though. He showcased his strength by stopping it's forward movement. As has been pointed out, he didn't completely stop it's forward momentum, but then again neither did Superman carry the whole weight of that oil tower... and when it finally tipped too far over he was unable to hold it up. Yes yes, it was because his footing gave way. But the fact still remains that you can't say he was strong enough to lift it because, well, because he wasn't exactly successful in lifting it.

Heck, I don't even know why you keep insisting that he lifted it. He supported that tower long enough for the others to get away. It's not like he was lifting the entire thing above his head without support from any of the tower's other legs.

Originally posted by Lestov16
MOS has vastly superior feats to everybody here.

He's superior to everyone here individually, but I wouldn't say Vastly superior to all of them. I honestly see him having his hands full with just Thor and Hulk.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He has heat vision that can collapse buildings,

Thor has blasts which destroy an entire landscape.

Originally posted by Lestov16
the durability to have trains and satellites smashed into him without harm,

Thor and Loki both took the Rainbow Bridge exploding blast head on without a scratch.

Originally posted by Lestov16
hypersonic flight,

Well not sure how fast Thor can fly, but Mjolnir was seen in TDW going out into space and back to Earth within seconds. Definitely hypersonic.

Originally posted by Lestov16
strength to toss trains, etc

Well Hulk has the best strength feat stopping the Levithian with a punch. Easily equivalent strength to tossing trains. And Thor though considerably weaker to Hulk, can go toe to toe with him, and packs and extra wallop with Mjolnir. He could easily whip up trains with a Hurricane.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
A drop from 30,000 feet KOed Hulk and Supes can definitely generate that kinetic energy tenfold.

Yeah that's kind of strange. Considering Thor wasn't KO'd. And Loki survived falling into endless space. And even Bruce Banner/Hulk were never actually shown as being greatly harmed or anything with that fall.

Originally posted by Lestov16
World Engine and Singularity, not to mention punches that were creating shockwaves that demolished parts of buildings, trumps Jotunheim Blast.

Trumps the Jotunheim Blast? Don't know about that.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Supes will speedblitz the phucking shit out of Thor and Kurse.

One on one I'd agree with you. But he really wasn't shown Speed Blitzing to the extent your making out here.

The oil derrick is good, but I think the mountain jumping and World engine feats put him easily ahead of Hulk.

Edit: The Joutunheim buster is so overrated. That place was literally falling apart all on its own by the time Thor and co. got there. All he did was start a chain reaction on a brittle, mostly unsupported, and relatively thin ice shelf. He didn't even Grand Canyon it. There was still plenty of ice for a small army of frost giants to traverse in a short amount of time.

2nd Edit: Thor escaped the falling trap and hit the ground on a much more horizontal angle than Hulk did, i'm sure.

The World engine crushed cars...that's not above Thor or Hulk. Lois survived the singularity as well.

The world engine was sending a gravity pulse through the planet and was going to level all structures and terraform the planet into something like Krypton, thereby killing all life on Earth save maybe bacteria and such.

Making it out to be just a "car crusher" is an epic lowball attempt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Gravity or anti-gravity has nothing to do with mass. Just because an airplane flies doesn't mean it won't crush you if it hits you. Force = mass x acceleration. Basic physics. Something a 32 yr old should know.

Hulk didn't lift the leviathan, it's not a lifting feat, I don't think anyone said it was a lifting feat. It was a strength feat though. He showcased his strength by stopping it's forward movement. As has been pointed out, he didn't completely stop it's forward momentum, but then again neither did Superman carry the whole weight of that oil tower... and when it finally tipped too far over he was unable to hold it up. Yes yes, it was because his footing gave way. But the fact still remains that you can't say he was strong enough to lift it because, well, because he wasn't exactly successful in lifting it.

Heck, I don't even know why you keep insisting that he lifted it. He supported that tower long enough for the others to get away. It's not like he was lifting the entire thing above his head without support from any of the tower's other legs.

You suggested he could not lift it dumbass. I've proved you wrong at every point now your copying my argument. Just deal with losing and get over it.

Originally posted by Robtard
The world engine was sending a gravity pulse through the planet and was going to level all structures and terraform the planet into something like Krypton, thereby killing all life on Earth save maybe bacteria and such.

Making it out to be just a "car crusher" is an epic lowball attempt.

In time that would've happened. It was mainly changing the earths atmosphere.

Originally posted by carver9
In time that would've happened. It was mainly changing the earths atmosphere.

Oh so how did it destroy all the buildings then?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh so how did it destroy all the buildings then?

Repeated hits would do that.

facepalm

Originally posted by carver9
In time that would've happened. It was mainly changing the earths atmosphere.

Actually, in time it would have happened, the gravity pulses where becoming stronger and spreading out wider and wider.

That's why Perry White gave that "we're all going to die" look once he realized he couldn't free the girl (forget her name) trapped in the fallen building rubble and the gravity pulse was about to reach them.

Originally posted by carver9
Repeated hits would do that.

Epic Face palm carver...