Pre Crisis Superman plants, sticks his chest out.

Originally posted by Stoic
It's still anti-matter though, unless DC antimatter is somehow different than Marvel's antimatter. Also Adam seems to hold back a lot, so I'm not sure if it would be within his character to obliterate someone with an antimatter blast. Just saying an antimatter punch from him would probably light PC Superman up. /Shrug

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even Marvel's anti matter is decent. Like Galactus' anti matter engine destroying Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.

Or he controls the amount that he releases when fighting a human opponent no matter how powerful they may be. He also put King Hyperion out for more than a panel. Like I said, I would prefer to reserve my opinions on Adam until later, because we may be in for a big surprise in terms of what destructive force he can actually put out. There is actual context to his battle with King Hyperion; namely, there were civilians in close proximity of the battle. If he went for broke, wouldn't that have placed them in danger? Just recently in the Mighty Avengers, he used his power like Yu-Yu Hakasho does his Spirit Gun technique, and hit this undead Mage dude (forget his name) with a controlled blast. He was also able to correct Monica Rambeau's degrading state with his powers. Like I said, he just needs time. As for now, Marvel says that he possesses antimatter powers, that he can use in several ways. Don't see why his antimatter would not be able to hurt a guy that was vulnerable to antimatter? I realize that loads of people dislike Blue Marvel (don't know why?) but, so far he's been doing pretty good in his limited showings.

Originally posted by Stoic
Or he controls the amount that he releases when fighting a human opponent no matter how powerful they may be. He also put King Hyperion out for more than a panel. Like I said, I would prefer to reserve my opinions on Adam until later, because we may be in for a big surprise in terms of what destructive force he can actually put out. There is actual context to his battle with King Hyperion; namely, there were civilians in close proximity of the battle. If he went for broke, wouldn't that have placed them in danger? Just recently in the Mighty Avengers, he used his power like Yu-Yu Hakasho does his Spirit Gun technique, and hit this undead Mage dude (forget his name) with a controlled blast. He was also able to correct Monica Rambeau's degrading state with his powers. Like I said, he just needs time. As for now, Marvel says that he possesses antimatter powers, that he can use in several ways. Don't see why his antimatter would not be able to hurt a guy that was vulnerable to antimatter? I realize that loads of people dislike Blue Marvel (don't know why?) but, so far he's been doing pretty good in his limited showings.

Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DC antimatter was obliterating matter.

Blue Marvel....just punched really hard.

That's funny. So if Superman got hit with antimatter, DC would allow him to be obliterated? Hell no.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Even Marvel's anti matter is decent. Like Galactus' anti matter engine destroying Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

The issue here is that Blue Marvel was pounding King Hype's dick into his butt with no real damage done besides a concussion.

And him holding back shouldn't have an effect on his anti matter. The anti matter doesn't get its destructive properties from going all out.

Either Blue Marvel's anti matter is just the name of it but it isn't anti matter, or it ain't shit coming from him.

Lol, it IS Marvel antimatter, so.... You act like he is made of the stuff. He's not, he wields and produces and controls the energy. Marvel doesn't have to check with you for approval of the validity or potency standards. It IS antimatter and its not up for debate.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Doesn't change the fact that he possesses antimatter powers. The idea that he was fighting King Hyperion so close to civilians should also be taken into consideration, or they would have been killed by a blast. Seeing as it only took four hits to put a guy like King Hyperion down, I would say that he is pretty powerful. I never compared his power output to the Anti Monitor's, but it does not in any way negate that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter.

Waiting to see what he is capable of instead of insinuating that Blue Marvel is weak-sauce (if that is what you are saying) is actually something that you should do, because you may be in for a big surprise, and threads like this one are easily bumped.

Originally posted by Stoic
Doesn't change the fact that he possesses antimatter powers. The idea that he was fighting King Hyperion so close to civilians should also be taken into consideration, or they would have been killed by a blast. Seeing as it only took four hits to put a guy like King Hyperion down, I would say that he is pretty powerful. I never compared his power output to the Anti Monitor's, but it does not in any way negate that PC Superman was vulnerable to antimatter.

Waiting to see what he is capable of instead of insinuating that Blue Marvel is weak-sauce (if that is what you are saying) is actually something that you should do, because you may be in for a big surprise, and threads like this one are easily bumped.

But that's the thing, he doesn't have to be as powerful as AM. He just has to hit people with it. He won't go around destroying universes but anything he can hit should be evaporated. Including any DC being if we're to make the connection.

I was unaware Savage Hulk level was weak. And I was unaware he showed above that power.
I'm using what he's shown, not what he hasn't. I'm assuming he's on the level he is not what he could be. Whether in the next year he goes around disintegrating universes that is irrelevant to the moment. He has more than enough feats to judge him as is, and that's what I prefer to do.

And with that all said, his anti matter ain't shit. Talking about potential won't change that.

And here's the kicker, but what if I turn out to be correct in the future? Should I assume that's a possibility just as much as your "wait and see how totes tough he is" attitude? It works both ways.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well if we're going to play it like that...

Blue Marvel's punches amped or not aren't above Savage Hulk level. His anti matter hasn't done shit on the level of Anti Monitor's anti matter. It'd be foolish to try and attribute it to Blue Marvel. And if that's the case he is a weakness to almost every DC being in existence and should be able to kill 99 percent of them.

Based purely on something he's never done with his own powers.

We can judge this on a theoretical level all we want but at the end of the day Blue Marvel who has a surprising amount of appearances and fights ain't done shit with it. Even worse when he's literally hit beings with it and it shows nothing above what an energy attack is capable of. And he was using a head sized amount in each fist that still should have kablooeyed King Hype to smithereens.

The wait and see argument doesn't work here. Especially not when people are going to forget this thread in a day or two.

Everthing you said is based on the view that the panels didn't depict the effect of antimatter in the manner in which you would prefer it to, nothing more. He put down THREE team busters with his sole power source being antimatter, and all you can say is his punch doesnt do shit.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Everthing you said is based on the view that the panels didn't depict the effect of antimatter in the manner in which you would prefer it to, nothing more. He put down THREE team busters with his sole power source being antimatter, and all you can say is his punch doesnt do shit.

Is Hulk pissed because this version of Hulk already flash koed Pre Crisis Superman.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why should we take that into consideration? The guy powered himself up with AM and hit King Hype super hard. Had that been a "shockwave" writer he would have killed them with just his punches. Just because he wasn't using city sized anti matter that doesn't mean his anti matter was holding back.

But that's the thing, he doesn't have to be as powerful as AM. He just has to hit people with it. He won't go around destroying universes but anything he can hit should be evaporated. Including any DC being if we're to make the connection.

I was unaware Savage Hulk level was weak. And I was unaware he showed above that power.
I'm using what he's shown, not what he hasn't. I'm assuming he's on the level he is not what he could be. Whether in the next year he goes around disintegrating universes that is irrelevant to the moment. He has more than enough feats to judge him as is, and that's what I prefer to do.

And with that all said, his anti matter ain't shit. Talking about potential won't change that.

And here's the kicker, but what if I turn out to be correct in the future? Should I assume that's a possibility just as much as your "wait and see how totes tough he is" attitude? It works both ways.

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Originally posted by carver9
Is Hulk pissed because this version of Hulk already flash koed Pre Crisis Superman.

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Last time that happened Hulk didn't even budge him. crylaugh

And that Hulk was more pissed than when he "flash Koed" Superman.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman is standing and holding his ground, prepared for the impact.

Last time that happened Hulk didn't even budge him. crylaugh

And that Hulk was more pissed than when he "flash Koed" Superman.

Read after that though.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Then show his anti matter disintegrating someone really tough.

Bran, give up. They don't even understand the point you are making.

Originally posted by carver9
Read after that though.

So yeah. Hulk won't do shit as per the thread.

Originally posted by carver9
Read after that though.

Nope, after that Superman subdued him.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Irrelevant to the thread.

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Nope, after that Superman subdued him.

That wasn't all that was said or done. Read it.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't all that was said or done. Read it.

He was worried about the Hulks escalating strength so he ended it quickly. Point is Carver, he could end it quickly

Originally posted by carver9
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Even Superman and Goku have friendly fanarts =[