TOP 10 Jedi/Sith List:
1) Darth Sidious
2) Luke Skywalker
3) Emperor Vitiate
4) Yoda
5/6) Plagueis / Caedus
7/8/9) Exar Kun / Revan / Krayt
10) Darth Vader
- Some I put as equals cause I'm in the process of figuring out who is more powerful and I also left out characters like Nihilus and other ancients due to ambiguity and stayed away from Bane's era for obvious reasons. Also waiting for new feats from Valkorion to confirm his full power before I can put him above Luke.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My overall list:1. Emperor Vitiate (Ziost)
2. Palpatine / Luke Skywalker
3. Palpatine / Luke Skywalker
4. Master Yoda (all incarnations besides ESB)
5. Revan the Returned / Darth Caedus / Darth Krayt / Darth Plagueis
6. Revan the Returned / Darth Caedus / Darth Krayt / Darth Plagueis
7. Revan the Returned / Darth Caedus / Darth Krayt / Darth Plagueis
8. Revan the Returned / Darth Caedus / Darth Krayt / Darth Plagueis
9. Darth Vader / Galen Marek / Starkiller / Exar Kun / Anakin Skywalker
10. Darth Vader / Galen Marek / Starkiller / Exar Kun / Anakin Skywalker
11. Darth Vader / Galen Marek / Starkiller / Exar Kun / Anakin Skywalker
12. Darth Vader / Galen Marek / Starkiller / Exar Kun / Anakin Skywalker
13. Darth Vader / Galen Marek / Starkiller / Exar Kun / Anakin Skywalker
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@Sinious: I'm pleased at Palpatine > Skywalker.
Jedi:
1.Luke.
2.Yoda.
3.Revan Reborn.
4.Kyp Durron.
5.Anakin Skywalker.
6.Hero of Tython.
7.Barsen'thor III.
8.Starkiller.
9.Shaak Ti.
10.Meetra Surik.
Sith:
1.Valkorion.
2.Sidious.
3.Exar Kun.
4.Darth Caedus.
5.Revan the Resurrected.
6.Krayt Reborn.
7.Plagueis.
8.Malgus.
9.Nox.
10.Vader.
Overall:
1.Valkorion.
2.Sidious.
3.Luke.
4.Yoda.
5.Exar Kun.
6.Darth Caedus.
7.Revan Reborn.
8.Krayt Reborn.
9.Kyp Durron.
10.Darth Plagueis.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's pretty much impossible to construct an accurate all-time list without Word of God.The only definite Jedi/Sith hierarchy that's been consistently established is that Sheev is the number one Sith.
And Luke being the No.1 Jedi is pretty safe. With Yoda almost certainly No.2.
In old canon yes. Now we have Darth Sidious as the most powerful in Disney Canon. Valkorion the most powerful by a mile in the SWTOR universe. George Lucas statements don't apply as strongly anymore and are basically irrelevant in comparison to Valkorion. Not just because canon =/= SWTOR but because Valkorion is officially an ancient Sith entity who shed Sith doctrine and started his own superior faction.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
And Luke being the No.1 Jedi is pretty safe. With Yoda almost certainly No.2.
Pretty safe, yeah, but not absolute.
Originally posted by Trocity
Not sure why people have Sidious above Luke tbh
They're focusing too much on Luke's inconsistency.
Originally posted by AncientPower
In old canon yes. Now we have Darth Sidious as the most powerful in Disney Canon. Valkorion the most powerful by a mile in the SWTOR universe. George Lucas statements don't apply as strongly anymore and are basically irrelevant in comparison to Valkorion. Not just because canon =/= SWTOR but because Valkorion is officially an ancient Sith entity who shed Sith doctrine and started his own superior faction.
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No, the quotes about Sidious exist in Legends, not Disney canon. And Valkorion still being described as Sith only furthers my point: Sidious is still better. 👆
Originally posted by AncientPower
In Disney Canon he's still most powerful I believe. In Legends he has the strongest claim. In SWTOR he is irrelevant. He was a Sith, not anymore. He isn't even a Force User, he's a bonified entity now.
Nah, the Codex entries Ant dutifully provided still call him Sith. The characters still address him as Sith. He employed Sith practices, Sith techniques, Sith resources. The fact that he doesn't have any personal allegiance to the Sith order or its empire is pretty irrelevant. Nihilus is described in similar terms and... wouldn't you believe it, still referred to as a Sith Lord in all relevant material.
And an "entity" is anything that exists. You and I are entities. Valkorion can be an entity and still be a number of other things: Sith Lord, emperor, megalomaniac, etc.
Not to mention I have no idea where the hell you're getting the notion that an entity =/= Force user lol.
Yeah, Sheev's status over all other Sith Lords is probably the only one that is consistently and absolutely declared. You have a few other Word of God claims like The Father being the most powerful Force user ever, but Sidious being number one has been repeated ad nauseam. Hell, even that quote from April of this year. It's a sentiment that's not going away anytime soon.
The whole debate is quite frankly an exercise in futility. No way around it.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, the Codex entries Ant dutifully provided still call him Sith. The characters still address him as Sith. He employed Sith practices, Sith techniques, Sith resources. The fact that he doesn't have any personal allegiance to the Sith order or its empire is pretty irrelevant. Nihilus is described in similar terms and... wouldn't you believe it, still referred to as a Sith Lord in all relevant material.And an "entity" is anything that exists. You and I are entities. Valkorion can be an entity and still be a number of other things: Sith Lord, emperor, megalomaniac, etc.
Not to mention I have no idea where the hell you're getting the notion that an entity =/= Force user lol.
Stomped.
As for my lists:
Sith:
1. DE Sheev/Valkorion
2. DE Sheev/Valkorion
3. Emperor Krayt
4. Darth Caedus
5. Darth Plagueis
6. Czar Kun
7. Freedon Nadd (🙂 🙂 🙂)
8/9. Other Ancients in general (Naga Sadow, Marka Ragnos, Tulak Hord, etc.) and Darth Vader.
10. False Emperor Malgus.
Jed'aii
1. Grandmaster Luke Skywalker
2. Grandmaster Yoda
3. Revan Reborn
4. Jacen Solo
5. Mace Windu (🙂 🙂 🙂)
6. Anakin Skywalker
7. The Hero of Tython
8. Barsen'thor
9. Kyp Durron (🙂 🙂 🙂)
10. Cade Skywalker
Triple smilies are ones that have generally controversial placements. Also, the Barsen'thor and Hero of Tython will probably rise to the 5 and 6 spots by the end of KotFE, and the Wrath and Nox could probably make notable appearances on their list.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He's not a Sith. No one calls him a Sith, and that codex is explaining his origins. The entire point of the EEoZ is that he doesn't want to be a Sith anymore, also in that codex you just pretend to read.
I just love it when you try to snark and make a point at the same time. You remind me of me, except I'm right and you're not.
He's not a Sith.
The codex says otherwise.
No one calls him a Sith,
Except for that codex thing I mentioned.
watch?v=5q9hGf0PBKc
And the chick at 8:07.
The entire point of the EEoZ is that he doesn't want to be a Sith anymore, also in that codex you just pretend to read.
Dude is referred to as Sith and religiously used Sith teachings, techniques, and resources. His present indifference is irrelevant. Nihilus was described similarly and was still called a Sith Lord in all relevant material.
I thought your embrace of #swtor was a farce, but your LeGenD impression is on point. 👆