Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The Exile is already a proven master of almost every form while Vitiate isn't even implied to be a master of one. No common sense doesn't say that we need to support him in him being superior in sabers.
I've never said he is a master of dueling. Saying that Maetra stomps though, is pure assumption as we have no information on how good Vitiate is with a saber.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Logically speaking, Vitiate really should be alright with a blade just because of his sheer power. That he fought the HoT while so close to her also suggests great speed.
I also like how the claim, "Powerful people are great in sabers," is one I've never seen supported anywhere. There's a difference between aptitude towards learning and actually having that skill.
Originally posted by Sinious
I've never said he is a master of dueling. Saying that Maetra stomps though, is pure assumption as we have no information on how good Vitiate is with a saber.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
The fact that during the end of the duel Vitiate put so much distance between him and the Hero of Tython and relies on his Force abilities also doesn't lend credit to him being anywhere beyond average in sabers, where as the Exile is a master.
Every time someone uses a force push is a signal of weakness in saber skills then.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Meetra stomps because she is a master, while Vitiate for the most part is not shown to be. While I'm sure he knows how to use one, he's not shown to be anywhere near the Exile in terms of skill with a lightsaber, and considering this is a forum duel, that's enough for me.
This is answered earlier.
Originally posted by Sinious
Every time someone uses a force push is a signal of weakness in saber skills then.
This is answered earlier.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I said because Vitiate tried to keep distance and rely on the Force. His saber isn't even out during the end of the duel. Or more likely was knocked away.
Ignoring the fact that they dueled for a long time and speculating that tiny detail isnt gonna make me change my mind.
With what? Meetra's feats with sabers is well above Vitiate's feats with sabers. So saying that she stomps there is a safe presumption. Saying, "Nope, that's speculation," doesn't change the fact that evidence actually supports the Exile and not Vitiate.
I do agree that Meetra Surik is above Vitiate in this regard based on feats. However, I don't see how she stomps where HoT couldn't as HoT is well above Meetra, especially in dueling.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Again, gameplay mechanics are not canon.
You're adorable, these "Game mechanics" are supported by quotes from Kreia and the Jedi council
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=597037
This thread explains, that Meetra can simply observe an Opponent's form and use it with great expertise, that surprised even the masters of the order.
Originally posted by Sinious
I've never said he is a master of dueling. Saying that Maetra stomps though, is pure assumption as we have no information on how good Vitiate is with a saber.
You too, are basing your argument on assumption. Vitiate has no showing with a lightsaber and to say "He's a master of the force so he knows how to use one" is a ridiculous argument to make, He has no feats or accolades claiming or making him out to be a powerful swordsmen. i - like Freshestslice - believe him to be a capable duelist, but when it comes to dueling prowess Meetra has much more backing her up. regardless of what you believe the fact remains that Vitiate has no feats in terms of lightsabers, while Meetra has already done much more than him in terms of dueling. everything about the fight with the HoT is pure speculation as it is mostly game mechanics.
Can you quote where I've claimed anything about his dueling skills? I've only stated that it would be logical to think that he is good with the saber but because this is an assumption, I won't use it as an argument.
You're the one who is making assumptions as you "believe" him to be a capable duelist or when you think that he will be stomped by anyone in a saber duel.
If this was what you meant by "schooling some plebs on Meetra", you have failed greatly my friend.
Originally posted by Sinious
[B]Ignoring the fact that they dueled for a long time and speculating that tiny detail isnt gonna make me change my mind.
A) Overwhelmed
B) Disarmed
C) More confident in his Force abilities
I do agree that Meetra Surik is above Vitiate in this regard based on feats. However, I don't see how she stomps where HoT couldn't as HoT is well above Meetra, especially in dueling.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why would Vitiate distance himself unless he was:A) Overwhelmed
B) Disarmed
C) More confident in his Force abilities
The answer would be C most likely.
Lol at the HoT being above Meetra in saber skill, which is what we are talking about. The HoT is not well above Meetra in sabers, though they are above them it's not by so large a gap as you make it seem. What they are miles above her in is Force, which coincidentally, Vitiate was using during this duel. Do I think the Exile will defeat Vitiate? No. Do I think if it were in pure sabers she would? Yes. Did the HoT duel Vitiate in pure sabers? No. So I'm not sure why this point was even brought up.
I don't know what to tell someone who thinks the Jedi Knight's main mastery is not saber skills but force powers.
Originally posted by Sinious
Can you quote where I've claimed anything about his dueling skills? I've only stated that it would be logical to think that he is good with the saber but because this is an assumption, I won't use it as an argument.
You continuously try to argue that he is skilled with the blade which is logical but to say he can beat Meetra or anyone who is above her dueling wise is foolish when he has no feats in it. It's like saying Cin Drallig > Exar Kun in swordsmenship simply because Drallig has hype as a great duelist - yet, he has no feats supporting those claims and was slaughtered by Anakin quite easily. It's not logical and i'm not calling Vitiate featless - he should be skilled with the blade. but i can't judge or side with him because he has no feats with the blade all we have is speculation. I apologize if i came off a bit aggressive in my previous post, it was not my intention.
You're the one who is making assumptions as you "believe" him to be a capable duelist or when you think that he will be stomped by anyone in a saber duel.
I never implied such a thing Sinious, if you're talking about the chat comment i was only joking 😬 You know i'm not one to use the "SLAUGHTERHOUSE" Or "ROFLSTOMPS" Arguments 🙁
if this was what you meant by "schooling some plebs on Meetra", you have failed greatly my friend.
But you still have much to learn..
Originally posted by Sinious
The answer would be C most likely.
I don't know what to tell someone who thinks the Jedi Knight's main mastery is not saber skills but force powers.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Nerfed Meetra =/= Full Meetra.If she can solo the Triumvirate, including Sion and Traya, in arguably the most powerful Dark Side nexus of all time and a gravity well. In their own turf and stomp them all, no way does she struggle with Imp Guards and A DC Member.
The only logical conclusion is that due to a lack of a Wound, which is apparently non-existent during the events of the novel, She was no longer somewhat protected from the largest effects of a nexus, such as Malachor.
Thus she suffered the debuff that many other Jedi did on Kaas.
I really don't subscribe to the Revan > Meetra talk at all, they were quite clearly meant to be equals where KotOR II comes in.
After all Traya clearly states that she was the greatest student she had ever trained.
Don't try.
I've explained this to them hundreds of times, only to be met with "There's no proof you're wrong" despite the fact that I've posted a personal email with the very author of the Novel, saying it's a strong theory.