Darth Zannah vs Revan Reborn

Started by Nephthys18 pages

I was going to help you out by breaking down your points, cutting out the BS and replying to them. I can if you want.

My points? I haven't even made any arguments yet since my old old post. Everything you have and will be saying until my next response is in argument against yourself. 😐

Well lets break down your argument for Revan winning:

He's highly unpredictable - False. There's nothing indicating unpredictability makes up a good part of his style.

He's unpredictable because he mixes all the forms - False. There's no real evidence for this. And theres no evidence that this makes him unpredictable.

Zannah is bad against unpredictability - False. No evidence this is the case. Bane wasn't breaking through her defense with his random style, and he's a much greater duelist than Revan.

Zannah has bad precog - False. Total bullshit mostly relying on her RoT persona.

Revan is faster than her because he's stronger in the Force - Lmao.

Revan can outlast her - Unlikely considering her style is all about outlasting her opponent and minimizing effort on her part. But she doesn't actually need to outlast him so whatever.

So your argument is basically wrong on every level and completely salvageable.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well lets break down your argument for Revan winning:

He's highly unpredictable - False. There's nothing indicating unpredictability makes up a good part of his style.

I believe DarthAnt66 based this around the fact that Drew Karpshyn stated that Revan is more of a Generalist than anything and DarthAnt66 supports this by Revan's fight with an Imperial Guard.

Though if this were to be the what Unpredictability is based on, then Jaden Korr would be very unpredictable 😬 Maybe it's just me but these feints that Revan used are quite common in most SW literary works - maybe it's just the few that i've read? even then it is a common tactic.

He's unpredictable because he mixes all the forms - False. There's no real evidence for this. And theres no evidence that this makes him unpredictable.

👆 Revan has no lightsaber duels that show him mixing up several styles at once, His only dueling feat was against an Imperial guard, Yusanis, Mandalore and Malak - even then we know little about his fight with Malak aside from a very vague "It was a brutal fight" which is left open to interpretation and doesn't really help Revan here.

Zannah is bad against unpredictability - False. No evidence this is the case. Bane wasn't breaking through her defense with his random style, and he's a much greater duelist than Revan.

Why is this debated? Revan - and i'm not trying to lowball him, has never demonstrated himself to be an aggressive fighter like Bane, nor has he demonstrated the same ferocity. Zannah's defenses were hard for even Bane - the man who defeated Kas'im and Raskta Lsu, two of the greatest duelists for their time - to break through. How would Revan - whom DarthAnt66 himself believed to be more of a force user than a duelist, break her defenses?

Zannah has bad precog - False. Total bullshit mostly relying on her RoT persona.

👆 Yeah, DarthAnt66 -and i mean no offense with this, is a bit of a hypocrite on that, he clearly states in his Darth Malak combat overview thread on ComicVine that we shouldn't judge a characters faults when they clearly weren't in their peak. Quote is down below.

The next part I wish to address is rather a defense to a recent uprising against Darth Malak. In the Knights of the Old Republic comics, Mandalore the Ulimate triumphs over a young Malak with a mere swing of his infamous battle-axe. And then because of such, members believe this diminishes Darth Malak's overall abilities, and demonstrates he is a weaker character then we originally believed. This is incredibly deficient. Malak is *no* where near his prime, and literally years behind it. Darth Malak grew significantly more powerful being a Dark Lord, and rather a comparison that is fantastic is Anakin Skywalker himself. As a padawan during the Clone Wars, he was embarrassingly disarmed by A'Sharad Hett. However, members ignore this when debating the power of Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. Why is this any different? Honestly, it isn't at all. Both have feats and accolades to prove they became crucially more powerful as time progressed. Below are the pictures of both Anakin Skywalker and Malak's defeat against their respective opponents.

Revan is faster than her because he's stronger in the Force - Lmao.

What- I can't.. I How?

Revan can outlast her - Unlikely considering her style is all about outlasting her opponent and minimizing effort on her part. But she doesn't actually need to outlast him so whatever.

Let's say that Revan knew the forms Ant has mentioned. Ataru. Ataru doesn't do well against a Style that is specifically bred for tiring out your opponent and outlasting them and could easily tire Revan out. How would Revan outlast Zannah? He isn't seriously implying that Revan would do just as well against Bane if he was given the same circumstance....is he?

So your argument is basically wrong on every level and completely salvageable.

He made some good points, he just kinda forgets a few things i think.

Thanks for the support. 👆

No, Ant isn't saying Revan would do as well against Bane. He seems to think Revan is better than Bane in sabers, since he says Revan would beat Zannah easily and is faster than her. 😬

Lmfao. Fated trying to argue against me because he's butthurt about Sith trolling him. And of course, most of his points (along with Nephs) are wrong. Though, I will respond soon to Neph's argument.
And Neph, Fated's response didn't really give you any support, though confirmed the suspicions that many members on this forum don't know the basic elements of Star Wars abilities. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thanks for the support. 👆

No, Ant isn't saying Revan would do as well against Bane. He seems to think Revan is better than Bane in sabers, since he says Revan would beat Zannah easily and is faster than her. 😬

That is very....foolish of him. But whatever, to each his own. And No problem Nephthys. Just wanted to clear up a few things is all. Good luck!

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lmfao. Fated trying to argue against me because he's butthurt about Sith trolling him. And of course, most of his points (along with Nephs) are wrong. Though, I will respond soon to Neph's argument.
And Neph, Fated's response didn't really give you any support, though confirmed the suspicions that many members on this forum don't know the basic elements of Star Wars abilities. 🙁

So.... me trying to clear up a few things makes me butthurt..... Alrighty then, you're entitled to your opinion. Good luck to you too DarthAnt66.

You were wrong about everything though, especially the speed thing without a doubt, though since you don't own any sourcebooks, I'm not surprised. I will "educate" you on the art of Force Speed on Sunday. 🙂

Wow, Ant is taking Neph to the curb. *grabs popcorn*

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You were wrong about everything though, especially the speed thing without a doubt, though since you don't own any sourcebooks, I'm not surprised. I will "educate" you on the art of Force Speed on Sunday. 🙂

Sure go ahead and "educate" me. But you really ought to work on following what you say. you seem to have an issue when it comes to hypocrisy(No offense), I mean I'll be the first to admit i dislike Savage and Maul, yet i don't lowball them to the point where i side with a troll(carthage) and say the most ridiculous things. But, to each his own.

Good luck DarthAnt66, i look forward to your - and Nephs, next post.

I had Revan winning at the start but Neph is solidly winning this debate. You fall back on trying to insult him and say things like "you're wrong" without saying why.

Zannah wins.

Neph isn't winning anything, Malak is a greater saber feat than a loser like Zannah ever achieved in a duel.

Zannah's force feats are all accomplished on nexuses or against fodder non force sensitives.

Her only saber feat is a half-trained Jedi knight, Revan defeated one of the most powerful Sith lords.

Zannah has got nothing

Originally posted by Trocity
I had Revan winning at the start but Neph is solidly winning this debate. You fall back on trying to insult him and say things like "you're wrong" without saying why.

Zannah wins.


No, I didn't "fall back." I made it clear that I am not done my response (I still have two pages left to write).
I haven't even wrote my argument yet since the 7th. I just wanted to get one out since people been wondering what I been up to. 🙂

Thank you Trocity. I can assure you of a future of solid reasoning and evidence from me versus a lot of reaching, petty insults and fanon from Ant. You've made the right choice.

Wasn't he also the person who said all Bi people are evil and cheat on their opposite-sex boyfriends?

That could have been anyone.

Pretty sure that was him.

Mere propaganda, I assure you. This smear campaign is unbecoming.

Propaganda? Mmk. You can have him, I don't want an anti-MLP guy on my side. Bad for the press.

Nice to see you're proving him right though by just insulting him instead of providing real evidence. excellent