Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Losing to Darth Bane does not make Darth Zannah impressive. Darth Bane has been beat numerous times by rather fodder material, like the mercenaries.
Notice how Darth Zannah is utterly destroyed by Orbalisk Bane while Raskta Lsu is capable of getting dozens of hits on the Sith Lord. Rather embarrassing.
The other being Darth Zannah lost to is a featless Jedi who only has some hype due to the Battle Meditation amp. Zannah only survived due to a break in the assault.
These two beings demonstrate Darth Zannah's defense is not invincible, and can be breached by even Jedi who I wouldn't rank above Savage Opress in all honesty.
Saying Zannah did decent against Bane is a [b]total understatement, for she was in "full retreat". Saying Revan would lose to a featless Jedi is also incredible even for you.[/b]
Using carthage-style Bane-lowballing is pathetic, and not a promising start for you. You know Bane was exhausted, ambushed, injured and weakened in that fight and still only lost due to getting hit by multiple flashbangs and nicked once by Cognus. Thats the only time Bane was defeated by "fodder" btw, which Cognus doesn't qualify as, so you're lying about that.
Oh gee, its almost as if Zannah was a half-trained apprentice experiencing the first real battle of her life and Raskta is a Jedi Battlemaster empowered by Battle Meditation who had slaughtered hundreds of Sith. As I've said, Zannah's performance there isn't representative of her DoE persona and bringing it up against her is the only pathetic thing here.
Appletonia already told you why calling Sarro featless is stupid. I expect more respect for his abilities from hence forth.
Both of those showings were from when she was half-trained you dolt, and against opponents who possess abilities and advantages that Revan does not. They don't establish that her DoE defense is weak or able to be penetrated by a swordsman such as Revan.
And yes, it is actually extremely impressive that Zannah managed to defend against him as well as she did. Even managing to survive an onslaught from a bloodlusted Orbalisk Bane is impressive as hell, as is having the speed and strength necessary to ward off his attacks in that state, despite being driven back. Hell, she actually had the speed to duck under one of his strikes at one point. Its very impressive. I doubt Revan could have done as well.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I know you have a great deal of knowledge on Revan. I question sometimes if you ignore your own-self for Darth Zannah praise.
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If you know anything about the Mandalorian culture, it is clear when Mandalore challenged Revan to a final duel, it would be a contest of skill. It even said "single combat" as the description. 😬
Mandalorians despise the use of the Force, and for Revan to use it against Mandalore would be a heavy disgrace to his honor and awe. Obviously he did not, for so many Mandalorians worshipped Revan.
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It is stated Revan dueled Yusanis and beat him through his superior speed and skill. They even made mentions of "his own impressive abilities and the cortosis weave inherent in all Echani vibroblades."
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Revan did not even know he had the Force yet when he dueled Gorse Bendak in the Taris Arena. This was shortly after Revan awakened from his mind-wipe. He didn't even know he was the former Sith Lord yet. 😐
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Revan fought the same two Terentatek in Naga Sadow's tomb on Korriban that appeared in "Star Wars Tales 23".
Those Terenatek were even more immune to the Force then normal Terentatek, completely invulnerable against Telepathic assaults.
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So yes, he beat every one I listed in pure contest of skill with a blade. 😄
Lets break it down:
Mandalore: Except that it was Revan who once said "Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead." He wouldn't hold it back in a fight just to please a foe he hated. Theres nothing that says you can't use the Force in single combat or a duel.
Yusanis: No, it's not said that. That's just your fanon interpretation. That they say Revan beat him in spite of those things in no way preclude the use of the Force.
Bendak: 😬 You know... you can use blasters in that fight. Bendak does. Theres nothing indicating Revan killed him with a vibrosword.
Terentateks: Giant monsters, not swordsmen.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I could care less about your Darth Bane wank. He failed to defend himself against a few mercenaries. A defense cannot be invincible if it can be penetrated. 😐
Out of all of Darth Zannah's official duels (she has had four), she was losing in everyone one besides against a wannabee Dark Jedi who isn't more powerful then Ahsoka Tano.
As I said, it's not invincible. It's close. And you should care about my Bane wank. As a swordsman he is Revan's clear superior. That he couldn't penetrate her defense straight up proves that Revan can't.
Whereas Revan has never won a lightsaber duel ever. Excpet maybe against some fodder.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Being burred for so long means it would have eventually accumulated a strong taint in the area around it. That is how Force nexus' work.
And don't try to educate me on how they work, being the person who says Palpatine and Darth Nihilus' mask isn't one. 🙄
You're so wrong. If you knew anything about Ambria you'd know the darkside on the planet had been sealed away so it was inaccessible normally. That the darkside was specifically said to have been buried for centuries only proves it. If it was normally usable, then it wouldn't be said to be buried for centuries, genius. 😬
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Below is the argument revolving around Darth Zannah's lack of foresight, a factor vital to Revan's easy victory over her:
That you think Revan would win easily only demonstrates how much spite you hold for Zannah.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What? Doing something by instinct means you do it without knowledge on it; a natural ability.
She was unable to foresee Darth Bane's attack until her own natural reactions had to take over and save herself from certain death.
Yes.... which precognition is. A natural ability that guides your blade/etc through instinct. Look at what Kas'im says here:
"That's what made it such a potentially devastating move," Kas'im explained. "You're letting the Force guide your blade now. You act without thought or reason. You're driven by passion: fury, anger . . . even hate. Your saber has become an extension of the dark side."
When Jedi and Sith fight they become extensions of the Force and act through "instinct" a lot of the time.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is not the only time she was nearly killed due to lack of foresight. I have made a list of all the times:
1.) Darth Bane was able to attack her with sudden Force attacks on numerous occasions, even when she was fully trained, resulting in her losing all advantages.
2.) Darth Zannah was unable to predict and foresee Darth Bane attacking her after her betrayal, nearly resulting in Darth Bane killing her in one stroke.
3.) Darth Zannah was unable to anticipate Sarro Xaj's attacks, nearly resulting in her death. It was only Darth Bane's actions that saved her.
4.) Darth Zannah fell over a grave. 😐
5.) Darth Zannah was losing blantly in the lightsaber duel portion of her final battle due to Darth Bane's unpredictability, something you conceded to below:
1) In RoT Bane was faster than her. It only makes sense that he could attack before her senses could keep up fully. And the only time in DoE I can think of is when he BLOCKS her attack with that Force Bubble, not attacks her.
2) He leaped at her suddenly. It wasn't a lack of foresight, she just didn't believe he was going to attack her. Besides, precog chimes in half a second before an attack. So maybe it did chime in, just as he was jumping at her, by which time it was pretty irrelevant since she was already aware of it.
3) Nope.
4) Theres no reason precog would warn her of that.
5) That has nothing to do with precog.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Darth Bane's unpredictable attacks was disrupting her defense rhythm, forcing her to go on a constant retreat back to the shuttle. Revan, like Bane, will take advantage of her lack of foresight. I cover this more later.
Again, this has nothing to do with precognition. Bane was simply switching his angles of attack midway through sequences and stuff and forcing Zannah to reposition her defense and retreat slightly. You can see this later on in the fight when he circles around her. This wasn't breaking her defense at all, so how exactly is Revan going to take advantage of something that doesn't actually give him any advatage?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He tried to react the instant he was lifted though, not while held by Dooku's invisible grip. Huge difference.
That's not a difference at all. Obi-Wan only reacted after being hit with the attack. Which shows a lack of precog. I could react at that point. Zannah blocked Banes attack before it struck her on instinct, through precog.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Below is the arguments revolving around Revan's speed capabilities:Either if it is Palpatine or Yoda or Luke Skywalker, no Force-user can run at blindly speeds without Force augmentation, where they both use the Force to increase their muscle speed and to slow down their perception of the world. The increased speed of the Force-user enabled them to see the world and the entities around them in slow motion, allowing them to dodge attacks easily and attack quicker with greater accuracy. The amount of boost a user would have is dependent on their own command of the Force. This is all canon, and why Force-users like Palpatine and Luke Skywalker are faster then Agen Kolar and Stormtroopers. Naturally it can be assumed Revan's speed is up with Darth Malgus and Darth Vader. Darth Zannah is not on this same level. Revan has been giving much superior hype for his raw command of the Force, ranging from being said to be "like the heart of the Force" to wielding "tremendous power" to even "one of the most powerful individuals in the [Star Wars] universe." They even said Revan was more powerful then Darth Nox's and the Emperor's Wrath's "imagination." Being merely a Banite Sith does not classify Zannah above Revan. Notice how in Drew's interviews he always says "Bane and Revan are the best", not "Bane, Revan, and Zannah are the best."
This is all of load of horseshit. Revan having high Force Mastery and power doesn't mean he is as fast as Zannah. It isn't dependent on their command of the Force, it is dependent on their command of Force Speed. Zannah is faster than Vader and Malgus. Post some feats or stop wasting my time and concede.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Read above. The game even made special mention of that despite Yusanis's [b]skills and vibro-blade, he still lost. There was no mention of any Force attacks. And you can't really run from lightning. 😬 [/B]
Yeah, as in despite his skill and vibroblade he still couldn't compete with Revan's force powers. Its just as plausible as him using his lightsaber. And if you're fast enough you can close before he can use lightning or avoid it. Cognus did. The Barsen'thor did 3 times.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I tire of your double standards. Vitiate was unable to be killed by Tython despite himself being completely disarmed and Tython's lightsaber only an inch away from him.
Yes, which proves he can deal with high speed, not that he himself is incredibly fast or that Revan is incredibly fast for having fought him.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I am extremely surprised you are arguing that Darth Zannah can do her sorcery at a moment's notice. The text says even says "she never had a chance to effectively gather her power" under she was able to "seize the opportunity" when Xaj stopped his relentless assault. She was unable to summon her sorcery against him or Bane in the middle of combat. Everyone but you agrees with what I am saying, because it is directly from the book itself.
Because Sarro wasn't even giving her the half-second she would need to gather her power with his assault. I similarly don't know why you're challenging me on this. She literally uses the attack, on paper, in the time it takes him to quickly glance away. Its a moments notice. This is supported by her explicitly saying that she can perform the attack with "a mere thought and gesture." And then performing the attack, with a thought and a gesture, on Harth as he charged her. This is unarguable and the end of the discussion.
Yes, she can't use it while in a lightsaber duel. Very few people can use the Force while engaging someone blade to blade without buying themselves some time and breathing space. But Zannah only needs a thought and gesture, like a basic force push would, to perform the attack.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Kenobi was running backwards for what seemed to be a tactical adjustment and advantage. There is no reason to continue fighting with lava pouring on you.
No. At the start of the fight Anakin pushes him back so fast he almost runs clean off the platform into the lava. And Obi-Wan retreats onto a pipe at one point. He was forced back the whole fight, rather swiftly.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And Darth Bane was [b]clearly overpowering Darth Zannnah for the first portion of the battle. Then he resorted to unpredictability, which also worked great:"Zannah expected Bane to come at her aggressively, but even so she was caught off guard by the ferociousness of his attack. He opened with a series of two-handed overhead chops, using his great height to bring his blade hacking down at her from above. She easily blocked each blow, but the momentum of the crushing impact caused her to stagger back, throwing her off balance. She recovered quickly, however, spinning out of the way when he followed up with a low, looping swipe meant to hew her off at the knees. She retaliated with a quick jab with the tip of one of her blades toward Bane's face, but he ducked his head to the side and came back with a wide-arcing, single-handed slash at chest level. Zannah intercepted his blade with one of her own, angling her weapon so that the momentum of Bane's attack was redirected downward, sending the tip of his lightsaber into the dirt. This should have exposed him to a counterthrust, but he was already reacting to her move, driving his entire body forward into Zannah's before she could bring her weapon up. His weight slammed into her, knocking her back as Bane snapped his neck forward. Zannah threw her head back just in time, and the head-butt that would have smashed her face glanced off her chin instead."
--Star Wars Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil[/b]
And Revan lacks Bane's physical strength to replicate that, soooooo?
Anway, that wasn't really him overpowering her. She was staggered by his two-handed power attacks, but recovered quickly without him gaining any advantage. He attacked her physically, but again he received no advantage and she recovered quickly. Immediately after this Zannah starts up her proper defense and starts handling his attacks without issue. Like she will against Revan.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Uh what? He was able to consciously predict the attack of the Imperial Guard (that is the way of the Echani). And you can't predict a war by instinct, obviously. That just doesn't make much sense.
It has been stated that Battle Precognition is the art of "reading your opponents". You can't really read and analyze them if it's by a sudden instinct. 😬
The point of that is "to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects" so you can "anticipate it, and then strike against them." Battle Precognition is different then normal Precognition. 🙂
It wasn't said that he consciously predicted anything. He went into the fight already with a plan, attacking high and staying high in a double feint. You don't need to consciously think about individual attacks as you're making them to do that. A swordsman would know without having to think in the moment that his initial attack would be seen as a feint and how to react.
A war is different from a sword fight you tard. And yes you can read your opponent by instinct. You don't look at someone and consciously evaluate them, you take everything in in a glance and through their body language.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]"The next hour is spent frantically blasting, swiping, and crushing countless Dark Jedi and Sith heavy weapons and elite troopers on your way through the decks of the space station."
--Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Prima Guide[/b]
And obviously they spent the entire time fighting, no breaks. Enemies on literally every inch of the thing and in the freaking elevators they use to traverse the Star Forge. 🙄
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Re-read the quote. The blade changed directions (unpredictability) some suddenly (speed) she had to scramble to defend herself against it.
No. Changing directions doesn't indicate unpredictability. All it indicates is that his blade changed directions swiftly in the midstroke. It indicates speed, thats all. 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is actually rather annoying, because I established a while back that Revan used numerous forms in his fight with the Imperial Guard. You had no issues with me saying such. And I am not the only one in such a belief, [b]many other members on here and other forums feel the same way. The pictures I gave you were official canonical illustrations of the forms, which Revan matched perfectly. I even told you in a thread that in a email with Drew, he confirmed my question when asking him if Revan was using numerous lightsaber forms. That is where the quote "[he] draws on bits of everything here and there." came from. 😐 So yes, Revan used Ataru and Niman in that battle, and is confirmed to draw on various lightsaber forms in his style.[/b]
I don't give a shit what you think you've established. It's complete fanon bullshit. And I don't give a shit what Drew says in a private, non-official capacity either. Matching some pictures of people kicking and jumping doesn't prove anything. Just that he was... kicking and jumping. You can jump without using Ataru. You can kick without using whatever the ****. You can attack with the Force without using Niman. It doesn't establish that he was using multiple forms and is thus this crazy unpredictable madman. Just that he can kick. And he can jump. And he can use the Force. Explain to me exactly how that's going to get him through Zannah's defense.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You continue to say Revan is not unpredictable, which makes no sense. We have established on this forum that Revan is highly unpredictable due to two main factors. Firstly, his lightsaber style. He draws on pieces from all forms, and uses them at complete random. We have seen on two occasions of him rapidly changing styles back and forth. Once from Niman to Ataru to Niman. Also from Juyo to Shii-Cho. Even in his own select styles, you will still see random hints from various other forms. I have established in this thread that Revan has knowledge on all lightsaber forms, something also supported from Drew Karpyshyn. Revan's unpredictability also comes from his ability to change his Force attacks to his lightsaber swings, which was heavily demonstrated in the Foundry. Numerous scripted attacks had Force pushes and a "series of lightsaber attacks" working together. For more information on this, checkout this thread. Zannah will not be able to keep up with the rapid changes of styles or the sudden Force pushes (both of which she has demonstrably failed to defend herself against in the past.)
No, Ant, you haven't established any of this. Even if he does use multiple forms, that doesn't make him unpredictable or use them at random. He switches to Ataru to jump out of the way of an attack. OMG random! He switches to Niman to use the Force on a non-force sensitive. Wow, who could ever have predicated him doing that!? He switches to whatever to use a kick on someone grabbing him. Holy shit, nobody ever does a kick! Nothing about this is random. He uses a kick to get someone to let go of him. He uses the Force on someone open to it. He jumps over someone attacking him. How is any of this making him an insanely dangerous opponent or giving him a way through Zannah's defense? He can't kick through. He can't jump through. He can't TK through. Switching up his style isn't going to help him in any way against her style. He comes at her with Djem So, she blocks the attack. He switches to Makashi, she blocks it. He jumps over her and attacks with Ataru, she turns round and blocks it. That's all that'll happen.
As to your links. I am sorry to do this but it is the truth. None of the proof for him knowing the various lightsaber forms have any merit at all. And overhand chop doesn't establish Shii-Cho. Drews unofficial opinion doesn't mean anything. Defeating Basilisk War droids and blocking blaster bolts doesn't establish Soresu. Jumping 🙄 , doesn't establish Ataru. FFS Ant, anyone can jump. You don't need to know Ataru to know how to jump. That artwork doesn't mean anything. Similar artwork depicts noncanon material. Using the Force doesn't indicate Niman. I don't see how his stance establishes Juyo and you know full well the symbol on the Foundry doesn't indicate Juyo. Illusions mean nothing.
Most of your Foundry essay is gameplay mechanics. And Revan's TK won't be effective. Yes, she DID defend against Bane's sudden force attack you dolt and theres nothing indicating her failing to defend against sudden changes in style.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Finally, Zannah's style revolves around tiring out the opponent. Let alone Revan's insane endurance which surpasses Zannah by tiers, another factor must be considered.
Not totally. In her fight with Bane Zannah wasn't trying to wear him out but build up her power for an unstoppable attack. She can do the same with Revan eaisly, since he will press her defense a lot less than Bane was.
But she can likely outlast him, since her technique is so economical.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is "Revan Reborn", aka Revan in the Foundry. In this state, he can channel his energies to grow more powerful as the battle continues. To be in this state, he must be in perfect balance however, and cannot channel his energies when pushed into the Dark Side. I made a thread about it here. Below I will quote from you the part I am discussing:[b]"Revan has begun to channel the Force to become more powerful!"
―Star Wars The Old RepublicDuring the fight in the Foundry, Revan channels his energies of the Light and Darkness through him to become more powerful. This ability provides Revan with a boost through using his own energies and the Force, not others, making the power always available for him in other duels or battles. Luke Skywalker and Palpatine have also demonstrated the ability to channel the Force through them in similar ways, but they called off of power that is not their own. In Luke's situation, “light and hope and love” from others; from Palpatine's, the ancient Sith spirits. While this originally seems to many like game-mechanics, it is not, and actually mentioned in Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan.
"Instead of charging forward, he opened himself up to the Force, letting both the light and the dark side flow through him like twin rushing rivers. But instead of focusing or channeling the Force, he released it in it's purest form."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: RevanIn a state of absolute balance, which Revan was in during his fight with the Sith Emperor, and also for the first half of the battle with the Imperial Strike Team, Revan has three options to do when he opens himself up to the Force. He can release the energies in a raw flash of light and power, like he did against the Sith Emperor. He can focus his energies, resulting in a contained yet pressured blast of energy, similar to Exar Kun. Finally, he can channel his energies, allowing it to cycle and stream back through him, replenishing his resolve, reserve, and strength through temporarily amplifying his midichlorians. This technique has no has real vulnerabilities or downfalls as long as Revan stays in balance, for the energy wasted in opening himself up to the Force is nearly instantly replenished by the new energies. Combine this with Revan's amazing endurance (which allows him to battle Dark Jedi for "an hour" on the Star Forge, and then go on to battle Bastila Shan, the infinite droid army, and then Darth Malak), and it will be clear that nearly no opponent will be able to outlast Revan. In fact, if Revan stays in balance the entire fight, he can finish the battle stronger then before.[/b]
BLAH BLAH BLAH I DON'T GIVE A FVCK. Jesus Christ stop talking stop much, you don't need to write a damn ess- oh wait this is literally copy pasted from your essay. Lame.
What you're talking about is Revan just getting desperate and drawing more deeply on the Force than before. He's not like the Anakin of Force Power where he just keeps getting stronger you ignorant fanboy. Theres absolutely nothing indicating what you're saying, it just says he was channeling it to get stronger, not that he was replenishing his power or anything. You are fanwanking so hard right now, I'm amazed Revan himself hasn't checked into the hospital for friction burns.
Also Revan channeling the Force wasn't enough to stop him getting beaten by the Strike Team, beotch.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
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Revan wins this fight. His unpredictability can breach Darth Zannah's defense,
How?
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
his Force powers are stronger,
No.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
and his endurance and channeling enable him to not tire by merely attacking a spinning blade.
So much fanon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Zannah is outclassed in every category, including Telepathy. Manipulating the Emperor is far more impressive then Set Harth. Darth Zannah even failed to breach Darth Bane. 😎
Revan is vulnerable after his imprisonment. His torture and many failings can be turned against him as potent mental attacks. Bane was able to resist Zannah's spell becuase he'd dealt with his demons. Revan was eaten alive by his and turned to madness. He will succumb.
I know many people are watching this debate with great interest, so I have decided to mix things up for a bit. I love three things in life more then anything else: God, Revan, and crushing egos.
Since this is not a religion forum, we are going to need to achieve the second two. Now, I normally wouldn't do this Neph, but the constant pestering and thinking you are superior has gotten extremely annoying.
So, instead of typing up responses to your crap, I feel it is more reasonable and entertaining to see yourself debate yourself (double-standards bro):
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
As I've said, Zannah's performance there isn't representative of her DoE persona and bringing it up against her is the only pathetic thing here.
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
And yes, it is actually extremely impressive that Zannah managed to defend against him as well as she did. Even managing to survive an onslaught from a bloodlusted Orbalisk Bane is impressive as hell, as is having the speed and strength necessary to ward off his attacks in that state, despite being driven back. Hell, she actually had the speed to duck under one of his strikes at one point. Its very impressive.
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
Oh gee, its almost as if Zannah was a half-trained apprentice
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
Both of those showings were from when she was half-trained you dolt
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
Raskta is a Jedi Battlemaster empowered by Battle Meditation who had slaughtered hundreds of Sith
Star Wars Darth Bane: Rule of Two
It was said that, by the end of the war, as many Sith Lords had fallen under her twin blades as had been killed by the thought bomb.
Nephthys on 9/11/2014
Lol @ that BS feat you posted though. Firstly it's from exaggerated material.
Nephthys on 9/9/2014
It's hyperbolic crap and not even good hyperbolic crap.
Nephthys on 9/9/2014
Its hilarious how many of these hyperbolic phrases PT lovers are trying to push as impressive were applied to him.
Nephthys on 8/20/2014
Well I just scanned your blog about his combat abilities and it was either a bunch of excuses, aggrandising statements and things I already knew and don't see as impressive.
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
Terentateks: Giant monsters, not swordsmen.
Nephthys on 5/14/2014
Terentateks are no joke. 2 of them at once is highly impressive.
Calling them 'wild beasts' is understating the feat quite a lot, dude. They're dark side abominations designed to kill Jedi.
Nephthys on 5/14/2014
Whereas Revan has never won a lightsaber duel ever.
Nephthys on 4/15/2014
I'll tell you Revans lightsaber feats:
He pwned an Imperial Guardsman[...]
Nephthys on 9/10/2014
Yes, which proves he can deal with high speed, not that he himself is incredibly fast or that Revan is incredibly fast for having fought him.
Nephthys on 6/14/2014
I'm not convinced that he is. Vitiate is as fast as the Hero is because he started the fight with the Hero's lightsaber a foot from his face and still put up a good, lengthy fight.
None of the proof for him knowing the various lightsaber forms have any merit at all
Nephthys against NewGuy01
I'm talking about skill. Anakin is a master of just one form, Revan is a master of tons. Surely that's relevant in discussing their respective skill.
Nephthys against NewGuy01
No, he's not. Revan is, as you said, highly skilled in a half dozen different forms and has legendary battle precognition. And his mastery of the Force utterly eclipses Anakin's. Revan casually palming Nyriss' lightning is a greater feat of raw power than anything short of Zonakin. Revans TK is superior to Anakins as well with his feat against the Strike Team and with how well he took Vitiates TK attack. Revan possesses powerful lightning and Force Drain and he has superior telepathic resistance with how he resisted Vitiate for centuries.
I will finish my response soon. I know some of you were confused if I conceded or not, so I wanted to get this out here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh noes, my ego!Such a flaccid response. I expected more than this pinprick. I guess I should have lowered my expectations of your...... prick though.
Though realize, I would never do this if you didn't do the following:
1. Message me saying how you were sorry over the debate and how you were so omniscient and sorry.
2. And then go when I enter chat that you are not sorry, and etc etc.
Like, the hell? Note how above I never even insulted you in my newest response, I was only stating facts. I grow tired of you continue saying your winning/better.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]Observation: It is okay when Nephthys debates Darth Zannah outside of Dynasty of Evil and discusses her speed, but it is pathetic when I do. Interesting. Nephthys also tells me not to use Darth Zannah's other persona here:[/b]
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Nope, I'm telling you that her feats in RoT aren't representative of her DoE persona, since she grew much more powerful and completed her training between the two books. So they're not representative of her limitations in her DoE persona. This doesn't make me two-faced for then pointing out that her RoT feats are better than you give her credit for.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]Observation: It is okay when Nephthys uses clearly hyperbolic statements from in-universe characters since they are both apart of the same Order to make a character seem more impressive, but when the same happens to Darth Malak (when his dueling is compared to Revan's intelligence) or Anakin Skywalker (Clone Wars comics or Revenge of the Sith novel) it is disgusting and laughable. Fascinating.[/b]
Only fascinating in that it seems you don't know what exaggeration and hyperbole is. Its not hyperbole, it's a rumor. And theres no good reason to really doubt Raskta killing lots of Sith considering her proven deadliness, especially when Johun says he remembers her slaughtering swathes of enemies from the war. Meanwhile Canderous directly refutes that quote about Malak and the Anakin feats actually are hyperbolic and from exaggerated material.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]Observation: So when Nephthys in a debate in favor of Revan against NewGuy01, he has the same argument I do. When he is against Revan, he is mysteriously against his own argument? Which one is it Nephthys? Can't have both.[/b]
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I never said that Revan beating Terentateks wasn't impressive. I said that he didn't beat them in a lightsaber duel. Which unless those were some really unique Terentateks, is true. So my point that Revan never beat anyone in a lightsaber duel (as in, actual lightsaber to lightsaber fighting) is accurate.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[[b]Observation: I don't feel a summary of the above is necessary. It is that sad. 🙁[/b]
Imperial Guardsmen don't use lightsabers. So Revan still hasn't even beaten anyone in a lightsaber duel in canon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[[b]Observation: So when Vitiate is able to keep up and defend against the Hero of Tython's speed, it counts, but when Revan is able to keep up and defend against Vitiate's speed, it doesn't count? Mmk.[/b]
I'm allowed to reconsider the implications of a showing.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[[b]Observation: Okay, I accept your concession. 🙄 Tired of your bullshit.[/b]
Ok, you got me here. I only said that to support you. When I hadn't actually bothered to read your thread and see what your "proof" actually was.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[b]A little taste of what is to come:
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Zannah also > Anakin though. I still put Revan before Anakin and stand by that statement, despite your best efforts to make me lower my estimation of him.