Zoom vs Runner...

Something I noticed in the duo-fight thread: the Runner intercepted the Silver Surfer during space flight. This is not so much interesting with respect to speed, as the nature of Zoom's time warping makes him pseudo-faster than anyone who doesn't have similar time powers. However it's much more interesting with respect to senses. Runner was able to get a bead on the Surfer and intercept his course while the Surfer was traveling at inter-stellar speeds. This implies some sort of superhuman perception that transcends the normal limits of spacetime event horizons. How that would interact with Zoom's time abilities is of course pure speculation, but I could see that placing him in a better position than Wally to react and respond to Zoom than Wally, despite the fact that Wally has faster reactions overall compared to the Runner.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Something I noticed in the duo-fight thread: the Runner intercepted the Silver Surfer during space flight. This is not so much interesting with respect to speed, as the nature of Zoom's time warping makes him pseudo-faster than anyone who doesn't have similar time powers. However it's much more interesting with respect to senses. Runner was able to get a bead on the Surfer and intercept his course while the Surfer was traveling at inter-stellar speeds. This implies some sort of superhuman perception that transcends the normal limits of spacetime event horizons. How that would interact with Zoom's time abilities is of course pure speculation, but I could see that placing him in a better position than Wally to react and respond to Zoom than Wally, despite the fact that Wally has faster reactions overall compared to the Runner.

Don't think Wally is faster and Runner and I don't think time warping is going to work either. I don't even think it would work on Grandmaster.

Originally posted by Deadline
Don't think Wally is faster and Runner and I don't think time warping is going to work either. I don't even think it would work on Grandmaster.

Wally and Zoom are far faster than Runner. Runner has no feats.
His bios only give him a few times the speed of light.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Something I noticed in the duo-fight thread: the Runner intercepted the Silver Surfer during space flight. This is not so much interesting with respect to speed, as the nature of Zoom's time warping makes him pseudo-faster than anyone who doesn't have similar time powers. However it's much more interesting with respect to senses. Runner was able to get a bead on the Surfer and intercept his course while the Surfer was traveling at inter-stellar speeds. This implies some sort of superhuman perception that transcends the normal limits of spacetime event horizons. How that would interact with Zoom's time abilities is of course pure speculation, but I could see that placing him in a better position than Wally to react and respond to Zoom than Wally, despite the fact that Wally has faster reactions overall compared to the Runner.

That only proves that Runner can at least go a few times that of light. We have no idea how fast Surfer was going. It could have been light speed, 5x light speed, etc.
Runner could have simply saw Surfer from distance or sensed him nearby. That's irrelevant anyway since it wouldn't prevent Runner from being a statue anyway.

Originally posted by Deadline
and it looks like Runner can project energy a well. Zoom is so dead. Seriously though I think we have only seen Runner project energy once, so it doesn't count.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I really don't think Zoom's speed advantage translates to victory here. Runner laughed at everything the Surfer hit him with, and then completely overpowered SS while standing toe to toe.

Runner beats Zoom, as an Elder the Runner can tap into Power Primordial basically increasing his abilities if so chooses. The Runner is at least warp-speed, Runner will beat the hell out of Superman and then beat Zoom for sh** and giggles.

Can Zoom fly? Because if he can't this is spite. I know his capable of inf. punch but his opponent got the durability to withstand quite a few of this unless of course his shown on panel to throw a million of this instantly to someone on par or close to Runner in speed, Ie. Flash

Originally posted by Ambient
Can Zoom fly? Because if he can't this is spite. I know his capable of inf. punch but his opponent got the durability to withstand quite a few of this unless of course his shown on panel to throw a million of this instantly to someone on par or close to Runner in speed, Ie. Flash

Originally posted by the Darkone
Runner beats Zoom, as an Elder the Runner can tap into Power Primordial basically increasing his abilities if so chooses. The Runner is at least warp-speed, Runner will beat the hell out of Superman and then beat Zoom for sh** and giggles.

Originally posted by h1a8
Why would he need to fly? Characters don't start out of reach far above the ground before the bell rings.
Also why would either character stay out of reach if that was the case?

When the match starts everyone is on the ground.

Right. So unless Zooms Ko's runner instantly then it ends on land but if not it's going airborne. Now I know Zooms much, much faster than Runner but i think that Runners got the durability to withstand Zooms initial onslaught before he bring this battle to his stips.

Originally posted by Ambient
Right. So unless Zooms Ko's runner instantly then it ends on land but if not it's going airborne. Now I know Zooms much, much faster than Runner but i think that Runners got the durability to withstand Zooms initial onslaught before he bring this battle to his stips.

Originally posted by h1a8
His only feat is tanking a random Surfer blast, which is irrelevant in this fight.

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Did you miss the part where says "We will see how much you can take Elder"? "His power is stronger than mine"?
Surfer was giving it his all , and got over powered.
Runner took all the Surfer gave him and was fine. Didn't seem to even be affected by surfers best power output.
Earlier in this arc, Surfer KO'ed Champion with one of his blasts.

Lets see how you try to lowball these scans with your delusional interpretations.

I guess h1's point is that he didn't tank any punches or physical blows.

Surfer DOES lose on a strength contest, which could equate to physical durabilty? These things usually go hand-in-hand in comics.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I guess h1's point is that he didn't tank any punches or physical blows.

Surfer DOES lose on a strength contest, which could equate to physical durabilty? These things usually go hand-in-hand in comics.

Surfer seems to punch Runner in the 1st scan/4th panel. Those red lines are similar to the ones where runner kicks surfer in the 2nd panel.
I don't think it was a blast. Surfer doesn't shoot his cosmic blasts that way. Most likely a power cosmic amped punch. which runner tanked unaffected.

I saw it as a blast *shrug* what with the distance between them and the energy trails. Unless the Surfer was knocked backwards by the force? Because the Runner is obv speeding into him (see the bottom of the board in the panel you describe), and yet, there is a significant distance between them to throw an uppercut.

This is what happened after Runner threw Surfer into that planet. Surfer was dying and would have probably died if Mantis didnt show up and save his life.
Shows how powerful Runnner really is , almost killing Surfer while not even exerting himself.

Last scan, third panel.

Pervy Surfer 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Last scan, third panel.

Pervy Surfer 👆

heh, yeah. Even almost at death, Surfer cant ignore some boobs in his faceflirt1

Originally posted by h1a8
Runner has no durability feats of withstanding Superman level physical attacks or greater. His only feat is tanking a random Surfer blast, which is irrelevant in this fight.

A blast is a blast, it's aim is to take out a cosmic entity and should carry ample power to which made absolute no effect. That is a great durability feat and it's pretty much relevance on this match unless of course you can show that Runner is more susceptible to physical attacks.

The only things we've seen harm the Runner are Thanos with the Time Gem aging him (Elders can age if they don't counteract it) and Glalactus consuming him (and his essence eventually escaped from big G's tummy too).