Zoom vs Runner...

Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't have it against his fight with Surfer AND his fight with Surfer didn't prove he was faster.

He did use it on Thanos. He even says he is much faster AS HE IS MOVING. Thanos instruments says his speed as AT LEAST doubled. Thanos just explains that he is really teleporting (many times in his motion) as to the reason he thinks he is faster. You are directly going against on panel intentions by the writer.

I don't understand you at all. You stopped using logic. If A is faster than B and B is faster than C then how come that doesn't prove that A is faster than C? ABC logic works flawlessly when it comes to speed, strength, or single attributes. ABC logic is faulty when it comes to more complex things (like who would win in a fight).
If you want to go by direct feats and not comparisons then Zoom's feats are superior to Runner's anyway.

1st you are dead wrong about Runner teleporting as he didnt teleport at all against Thanos...

2nd, you seem to already have your mind made up that Flash and Zoom are faster than Runner, but you have nothing to prove it...

Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Just want to point out that Thanos was saying his speed doubled from when he ran away to when he came back. In other words, Runner ran off and accelerated to a higher speed as he ran, before looping back. He wasn't making a comparative statement regarding his speed pre- and post-gem.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
1st you are dead wrong about Runner teleporting as he didnt teleport at all against Thanos...

2nd, you seem to already have your mind made up that Flash and Zoom are faster than Runner, but you have nothing to prove it...

So if Runner didn't teleport then we would reach two conclusions:

1. Thanos was lying his ass off
2. Runner is retarded for thinking he was going far faster with the gem than without.

How do we know that Thor is stronger than Cyborg from D.C.? Feats right?
I thought that feats prove who is stronger, faster, etc.
What are runner's feats that surpasses Flash's? Does he have any? I mean, you do believe he is faster right? What is your basis?

The gem didnt make Runner faster. It allowed him to instantly transport sometimes if he just thought about being there.
Runner's speed vs. Thanos was all his own. We didnt see him teleporting in any way. If im wrong show me were he teleported, THUS showing that he used the gem in the thanos battle. Runner is that fast sans gem. Without gem he cant teleport across the univers in an instant like he did when he met up with moondragon.
you seem to care about posting scans from this fight and taking into account what was said, yet you ignore this scan. Or maybe you didnt even know it excised since I doubt you've ever read this arc.

The elders didnt even know how to use the gems properly. They sometimes tapped into them subconsciously but nothing major.
stop making shit up.

Originally posted by Inhuman
The gem didnt make Runner faster. It allowed him to instantly transport sometimes if he just thought about being there.
Runner's speed vs. Thanos was all his own. We didnt see him teleporting in any way. If im wrong show me were he teleported, THUS showing that he used the gem in the thanos battle. Runner is that fast sans gem. Without gem he cant teleport across the univers in an instant like he did when he met up with moondragon.

The elders didnt even know how to use the gems properly. They sometimes tapped into them subconsciously but nothing major.
stop making shit up.

👆

Originally posted by Inhuman
The gem didnt make Runner faster. It allowed him to instantly transport sometimes if he just thought about being there.
Runner's speed vs. Thanos was all his own. We dint see him teleporting in any way. If im wrong show me were he teleported, THUS showing that he used the gem in the thanos battle. Runner is that fast sans gem. Without gem he cant teleport across the univers in an instant like he did when he met up with moondragon.

The elders didnt even know how to use the gems properly. They sometimes tapped into them subconsciously but nothing major.
stop making shit up.

So whether Runner was teleporting with his speed or not doesn't matter. He appeared faster and that's all that matters.

He was teleporting.
We don't have to see him teleporting for him to be teleporting. It could be so fast that we can't see it. The context tells us that he was. Runner was far faster than normal (according to him) and Thanos even said that his greater speed was due to him Really teleporting. Runner knows how fast he can go. He knows his limits. He's been traveling over a billion years. If the gem wasn't working then he would have said, "what dafuq, my gem isn't working." You are taking away the intentions of the writers and implementing something that is made up by you.

You are now trolling. Which is sad.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol
did you read Lord's and my exchange over the last few pages?
We already discussed this.
The conclusion is that it is irrelevant (arguing semantics) because it is equivalent to superspeed in a battle.
Zoom isn't fast either. He just controls time. But again, in a fight, it's equivalent to having superspeed. The effects are the same.

So whether Runner was teleporting with his speed or not doesn't matter. He appeared faster and that's all that matters.

He was teleporting.
We don't have to see him teleporting for him to be teleporting. It could be so fast that we can't see it. The context tells us that he was. Runner was far faster than normal (according to him) and Thanos even said that his greater speed was due to him Really teleporting. Runner knows how fast he can go. He knows his limits. He's been traveling over a billion years. If the gem wasn't working then he would have said, "what dafuq, my gem isn't working." You are taking away the intentions of the writers and implementing something that is made up by you.

You are now trolling. Which is sad.

Wow...

1st of all "we" havent concluded that it was semantics...

You wrongly did...

Why am I wasting time arguing with you; arent you the guy wiith some weird math that "proves" Superman and Doomsday are twice as strong as Thor?

Lol...

Anyway, its right there in bold print stated by Thanos himself; the gem didnt make Runner faster...

Furthermore the on panel evidence shows no sign of Runner teleporting during the fight...

But I am writing this for naught; you've ignored the above panel twice during this thread and shall do so again...

Originally posted by h1a8
lol
did you read Lord's and my exchange over the last few pages?
We already discussed this.
The conclusion is that it is irrelevant (arguing semantics) because it is equivalent to superspeed in a battle.
Zoom isn't fast either. He just controls time. But again, in a fight, it's equivalent to having superspeed. The effects are the same.

So whether Runner was teleporting with his speed or not doesn't matter. He appeared faster and that's all that matters.

He was teleporting.
We don't have to see him teleporting for him to be teleporting. It could be so fast that we can't see it. The context tells us that he was. Runner was far faster than normal (according to him) and Thanos even said that his greater speed was due to him Really teleporting. Runner knows how fast he can go. He knows his limits. He's been traveling over a billion years. If the gem wasn't working then he would have said, "what dafuq, my gem isn't working." You are taking away the intentions of the writers and implementing something that is made up by you.

You are now trolling. Which is sad.

So you totally ignored the scan i posted. If you need further help. Read the 1st and 2nd panels.
You think when Runner said "I was always fast but never this fast, that he was somewhere instantly if he just thought about it"... you think that statement was talking about the current fight with Thanos? Cause I seriously think your that dumb to think that.
And NO i dont see him teleport in the Thanos fight ? quit making shit up or tell me exactly which page and panel he teleported.
Also if you knew anything about the elders and especially runner (I know you dont) , you would know speed , travel, exploration is his thing. He has been doing that for billions of years. Before he even had the gem. He has always been fast. If he was just sort of fast like a mid herald then his name and whole gimmick wouldn't indicate fuqing speed. He would just be called Goldendick or whatever.
I dont even know why im wasting my time anyhow. doubt you'll even get what im saying and will stick to your made up conclusions that have no backing.

LOL@golden dick

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Wow...

1st of all "we" havent concluded that it was semantics...

You wrongly did...

Why am I wasting time arguing with you; arent you the guy wiith some weird math that "proves" Superman and Doomsday are twice as strong as Thor?

Lol...

Anyway, its right there in bold print stated by Thanos himself; the gem didnt make Runner faster...

Furthermore the on panel evidence shows no sign of Runner teleporting during the fight...

But I am writing this for naught; you've ignored the above panel twice during this thread and shall do so again...

Oh and Superman is far more than twice stronger than Thor. Try at least 10x dude.

Originally posted by Inhuman
So you totally ignored the scan i posted. If you need further help. Read the 1st and 2nd panels.
You think when Runner said "I was always fast but never this fast, that he was somewhere instantly if he just thought about it"... you think that statement was talking about the current fight with Thanos? Cause I seriously think your that dumb to think that.
And NO i dont see him teleport in the Thanos fight ? quit making shit up or tell me exactly which page and panel he teleported.
Also if you knew anything about the elders and especially runner (I know you dont) , you would know speed , travel, exploration is his thing. He has been doing that for billions of years. Before he even had the gem. He has always been fast. If he was just sort of fast like a mid herald then his name and whole gimmick wouldn't indicate fuqing speed. He would just be called Goldendick or whatever.
I dont even know why im wasting my time anyhow. doubt you'll even get what im saying and will stick to your made up conclusions that have no backing.

Runner was using the space gem in his confrontation on Thanos. Are you stupid or something? It's plain as day. He's boasting that he's faster with it WHILE he is actually moving around Thanos. What dafuq is the writer trying to tell us there?

Again, we don't have to see him teleport in order for him to have done it. Obviously it's too fast for us to see and too minute of a teleport. I told you this. Stop ignoring the fact that I said it. He was teleporting because Thanos said so and Runner thought he was just moving faster (Runner didn't know he was teleporting). So if you don't know that you are teleporting when you really are then you must be teleporting very quickly and small distances at a time. This is common sense.

Why are you purposely going against the EASY context of the writer? You have to be an idiot not to understand the context. Why would Runner think he is moving faster when he is fighting Thanos? He knows how fast he can go.

That's why I beat your ass (Mike Tyson) in the 1st round twice in my lifetime 💃

Originally posted by h1a8
Who cares? Is Zoom fast? No he isn't. The gem is able to make runner get from one place to another in less time. Whether you say that's faster or not is irrelevant. In a fight, this power is useful. It will give the SAME EFFECT as actually being faster. That's all that matters.

Oh and Superman is far more than twice stronger than Thor. Try at least 10x dude.

Runner was using the space gem in his confrontation on Thanos. Are you stupid or something? It's plain as day. He's boasting that he's faster with it WHILE he is actually moving around Thanos. What dafuq is the writer trying to tell us there?

Again, we don't have to see him teleport in order for him to have done it. Obviously it's too fast for us to see and too minute of a teleport. I told you this. Stop ignoring the fact that I said it. He was teleporting because Thanos said so and Runner thought he was just moving faster (Runner didn't know he was teleporting). So if you don't know that you are teleporting when you really are then you must be teleporting very quickly and small distances at a time. This is common sense.

Why are you purposely going against the EASY context of the writer? You have to be an idiot not to understand the context. Why would Runner think he is moving faster when he is fighting Thanos? He knows how fast he can go.

That's why I beat your ass (Mike Tyson) in the 1st round twice in my lifetime 💃

Omg...

Your logic is horrifically bad...

Superman x10 Thor in strength!??? Wow...and you have math to back that up?? LoL...

Runner teleporting in the fight even though we never see it and Thanos never states that Runner was teleporting during the fight!?

Thanos said sometimes Runner would arrive at a location before he knew he was heading for it...do you understand what this means? Do you!??

When Runner fought Thanos, he appeared to know precisely what he was doing; He consciously dodged Thanos's attack, ran off, and ran back...all on panel...no sign of teleportation.

But once again, I now understand why a few peeps here have you on ignore; your logic is so flawed that it makes rational debate with you impossible...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Omg...

Your logic is horrifically bad...

Just ask your belovedly hated buddy Insane Titan how h1's posts are so beautifully constructed, they describe the symmetry(or lack of thereof) of any comic book universe with perfection. Or maybe Bran can attest to h1's grandeur?

What say you Bran? Are you up for the challenge?

Originally posted by h1a8
Runner was using the space gem in his confrontation on Thanos. Are you stupid or something? It's plain as day.

Ok as usual your just going to be a dumb troll or you have to seriously get checked for ADHD or Autism.

Originally posted by h1a8
He's boasting that he's faster with it WHILE he is actually moving around Thanos. What dafuq is the writer trying to tell us there?

Here is ACTUALLY what the writter is trying to tell us.

Originally posted by h1a8
Again, we don't have to see him teleport in order for him to have done it. Obviously it's too fast for us to see and too minute of a teleport. I told you this. Stop ignoring the fact that I said it. He was teleporting because Thanos said so and Runner thought he was just moving faster (Runner didn't know he was teleporting). So if you don't know that you are teleporting when you really are then you must be teleporting very quickly and small distances at a time. This is common sense.

Why are you purposely going against the EASY context of the writer? You have to be an idiot not to understand the context. Why would Runner think he is moving faster when he is fighting Thanos? He knows how fast he can go.

What is seen or said on panel >>>>>>>> Your idiotic take on whatever you think is going on in those scans. lel @ "obviously" and "common sense". Nothing you said of your fantasy version of the events that happened in the Thanos / runner fight has any common sense or is obvious to what is shown. I dont even think you like comics you just come here to troll. You understand maybe 20% of whats going on in any scan you describe and then come up with retarded conclusions or math formulas that have nothing to do with whats on panel or make no sense. It makes me question you literacy and mental state.

What is different from the Thanos fight and the surfer fight that runner DID NOT have the gem? He was fighting the same way. Runner was still boasting , having fun , being fast, dodging attacks, etc. What is different besides the artist that drew things different? I guess he was teleporting in the surfer fight too since we see speak steaks.
The only reason Thanos even mentions Runner teleporting is because Runner mentions that "SOMETIMES" he is INSTANTLY somewhere if he just thinks about it. IT says NOTHING about the current fight. It was referring to past instances that has happened while in psosetion of the gem.

Show me a scan of a teleporter that is shown teleporting in a comic book that shows him with speed streaks when he teleports. I dont know how you came to the conclusion that "speed streaks" mean teleporting.
Here is a scan of a teleporter.

Does that look anything like how runner was fighting? is there any speed streaks? Do you have any idea what teleporting is? if you dont ill help you.

"tel·e·port -Verb-: teleporting (especially in science fiction) transport or be transported across space and distance instantly."

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=teleporting+definition&safe=off&spell=1

So again show me a teleporter shown teleporting using "Speed Streaks"
Do you also think that without the gem runner isnt fast? Because if you knew anything about him , that is one of his powers.
I dont know how clearer it can get that there was no teleporting involved. I guess I can draw a scenario involving some stick figures in crayon so simple that a 5 years old can understand explaining what happened in those scans. Im sure you will still have a blank confused look on your face non the less.

Originally posted by h1a8
That's why I beat your ass (Mike Tyson) in the 1st round twice in my lifetime 💃

Originally posted by Epicurus
Dude, how can you say such sh1t? h1a8 is our resident mathematician+physicist+baseball-swing-record-breaker+overall-genius-scientist.

Just ask your belovedly hated buddy Insane Titan how h1's posts are so beautifully constructed, they describe the symmetry(or lack of thereof) of any comic book universe with perfection. Or maybe Bran can attest to h1's grandeur?

Maybe next time before reading one of his posts i should heavily sniff glue and spray paint fumes in a paper bag. Then maybe I will understand how intricate and deep his posts really are.

Originally posted by Inhuman

Ok as usual your just going to be a dumb troll or you have to seriously get checked for ADHD or Autism.

Here is ACTUALLY what the writter is trying to tell us.

What is seen or said on panel >>>>>>>> Your idiotic take on whatever you think is going on in those scans. lel @ "obviously" and "common sense". Nothing you said of your fantasy version of the events that happened in the Thanos / runner fight has any common sense or is obvious to what is shown. I dont even think you like comics you just come here to troll. You understand maybe 20% of whats going on in any scan you describe and then come up with retarded conclusions or math formulas that have nothing to do with whats on panel or make no sense. It makes me question you literacy and mental state.

What is different from the Thanos fight and the surfer fight that runner DID NOT have the gem? He was fighting the same way. Runner was still boasting , having fun , being fast, dodging attacks, etc. What is different besides the artist that drew things different? I guess he was teleporting in the surfer fight too since we see speak steaks.
The only reason Thanos even mentions Runner teleporting is because Runner mentions that "SOMETIMES" he is INSTANTLY somewhere if he just thinks about it. IT says NOTHING about the current fight. It was referring to past instances that has happened while in psosetion of the gem.

Show me a scan of a teleporter that is shown teleporting in a comic book that shows him with speed streaks when he teleports. I dont know how you came to the conclusion that "speed streaks" mean teleporting.
Here is a scan of a teleporter.

Does that look anything like how runner was fighting? is there any speed streaks? Do you have any idea what teleporting is? if you dont ill help you.

"tel·e·port -Verb-: teleporting (especially in science fiction) transport or be transported across space and distance instantly."

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=teleporting+definition&safe=off&spell=1

So again show me a teleporter shown teleporting using "Speed Streaks"
Do you also think that without the gem runner isnt fast? Because if you knew anything about him , that is one of his powers.
I dont know how clearer it can get that there was no teleporting involved. I guess I can draw a scenario involving some stick figures in crayon so simple that a 5 years old can understand explaining what happened in those scans. Im sure you will still have a blank confused look on your face non the less.

You didn't understand a word I said.
I'll repeat.
1. Runner THOUGHT he was faster than normal because of the gem, AS he was moving around Thanos.
2. Runner is boasting of himself being FASTER (not fast) with the gem AS he is moving around Thanos. The dumb ass scan with Surfer that you posted was him boosting that he is fast (reading comprehension problem). This is a big difference.
3. Thanos agreed to put runner to the test to determine whether he is indeed faster with the gem.
4. Runners speed more than doubled when he went towards Thanos.
5. Runner at best can only go a few times light speed.

Answer this question, what is the writer trying to tell us by having Runner believe that he is faster with the gem AS he is moving around Thanos?

Here is undeniable proof that Runner used the space gem on Thanos.

AFTER Runner blitzed Thanos. He asked, "And you know why I'm so fast? It's all because of this beauty right here."

https://imageshack.com/i/pdj6sm8uj

Ok i guess you are clinically retarded. Lets go over your post and the scan you are talking about.

Originally posted by h1a8
garbage post.

You didn't understand a word I said.
I'll repeat.
1. Runner THOUGHT he was faster than normal because of the gem, AS he was moving around Thanos.

He didnt think he was faster , he knew he was faster. Read the 1st and second panel on the scan im going to post. "I was always fast" "since I got this purple darling , I arrive at where im going before i even realize ive started running"
Do you understand what he just said? here ill explain.
He was always fast. meaning he runs real fast in space. Since he got the gem he started teleporting ON OCCASION. key phrase here is : I arrive before i start running" = teleporting. So there is no running involved. In the fight with Thanos he is running using his OWN speed. He is not teleporting, because he just said he doesnt run when he teleports. His speed doubled means he was running even faster under his own power. again , not telporting.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. Runner is boasting of himself being FASTER (not fast) with the gem AS he is moving around Thanos. The dumb ass scan with Surfer that you posted was him boosting that he is fast (reading comprehension problem). This is a big difference.

The scan of surfer was to show you how runner fights. He uses his speed and to fight and dodge. Exactly how he fought Thanos even WITHOUT the gem.
The boasting that he was faster i already explained. It meant he sometimes teleports BEFORE he even starts to run.

Originally posted by h1a8
3. Thanos agreed to put runner to the test to determine whether he is indeed faster with the gem.

There is no indication that says he wanted to test how effective the gem was. Thanos even stated afterwards that he knows the elders dont know how to tap into the gems at all only rarely.
Thanos wanted to see what runner brought to the table in order to see what the best way to get them gem was. It was all nonsense talk anyhow. Thanos just wanted to trick runner. that was the end plan all along. Thanos didnt really give a shit about testing.

Originally posted by h1a8
4. Runners speed more than doubled when he went towards Thanos.

Yes. Under his own power. No gem instant telepotation. We see him running. You think runner under his won power only runs at one speed? you dont think he can run faster if he pushes himself or slower?

Originally posted by h1a8
5. Runner at best can only go a few times light speed.

not going to waste my time on speculations.

Originally posted by h1a8
Answer this question, what is the writer trying to tell us by having Runner believe that he is faster with the gem AS he is moving around Thanos?

I already answered this. Runner was always fast. With the gem he was instantly somewhere SOMETIMES when he thought about it BEFORE he even started running. Thats why he was amazed at his new instant tranmission powers he sometimes had. he even says "sometimes".
We see him running in the Thanos fight right? So he wasnt teleporting.
And he didnt need the Gem to own surfer. He did it under his own power and speed. and surfer is a speedster.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here is undeniable proof that Runner used the space gem on Thanos.

AFTER Runner blitzed Thanos. He asked, "And you know why I'm so fast? It's all because of this beauty right here."

https://imageshack.com/i/pdj6sm8uj

anyhow I already explained why Runner thought he was faster with the gem. twisting shit to your own retarded fantasies wont make it true.

Originally posted by h1a8
Here is undeniable proof that Runner used the space gem on Thanos.

AFTER Runner blitzed Thanos. He asked, "And you know why I'm so fast? It's all because of this beauty right here."

https://imageshack.com/i/pdj6sm8uj

Bottomline: There is no evidence that Runner can go beyond a few times the speed of light. He has no feats. Even his bios say he is slightly under light speed or a few times that of light speed. So it doesn't really matter as Zoom would spite stomp Runner in speed going by feats.

I really don't think Zoom's speed advantage translates to victory here. Runner laughed at everything the Surfer hit him with, and then completely overpowered SS while standing toe to toe.

and it looks like Runner can project energy a well. Zoom is so dead. Seriously though I think we have only seen Runner project energy once, so it doesn't count.