This is a tough one. Like I was saying in another thread Sentry doesn't have Agoraphobia anymore so he can fully understand and control his power at his will. He also isn't scared releasing his power now either since he used to believe if he lost control the Void would return. Given what we have seen Sentry do in the past (non Death Seed) and current he is a beast as he is no longer scared of using the molecules to his advantage, given with all the things we have seen Sentry do this sounds like a tough match.
I am not as much an expert on Zarathos so I will see what others on the forum say before deciding.
Ghost Rider is pretty hard core as long it's the actual Spirit in the fight.
Each Spirit of Vengeance is a Angle of the Bliblical god who is stated to created the Marvel World (confirmed in Howard the Duck) as well created Heaven and Mankind (stated in Ghost Rider comics).
As such Ghost Rider with Spirit in full control like Zarathos has easily beaten Mephisto, Zadkiel with the power of God himself, Doctor Strange, Hulk several times, and matched Ketch who had several Ghost Riders worth of power.
Ketch himself had the Nobel Kale Spirit which had feats of beating Nightmare twice, Blackheart several times, and the Angel Uriel who was stated as equals of Mephisto.
The new current Ghost Rider has used his spirit to take on the avengers which included Thor, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange at the same time with no effort.
So all Spirits show Hell Lord to low Sky Father level power as long it is the spirit in control.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Ghost Rider is pretty hard core as long it's the actual Spirit in the fight.Each Spirit of Vengeance is a Angle of the Bliblical god who is stated to created the Marvel World (confirmed in Howard the Duck) as well created Heaven and Mankind (stated in Ghost Rider comics).
As such Ghost Rider with Spirit in full control like Zarathos has easily beaten Mephisto, Zadkiel with the power of God himself, Doctor Strange, Hulk several times, and matched Ketch who had several Ghost Riders worth of power.
Ketch himself had the Nobel Kale Spirit which had feats of beating Nightmare twice, Blackheart several times, and the Angel Uriel who was stated as equals of Mephisto.
The new current Ghost Rider has used his spirit to take on the avengers which included Thor, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange at the same time with no effort.
So all Spirits show Hell Lord to low Sky Father level power as long it is the spirit in control.
If I recall wasn't it Yahweh or TOAA that gave the Ghost Rider the power?
Were the battles involving Mephisto in his dimension like the Galactus battle or were they outside?
Also with regards to that issue (Uncanny Avengers Annual) I believe you are speaking of. I do have that issue. I believe he did do good against the Avengers but the Sentry has equally dealt with Thor as if he was trampling on an ant.
Now I don't think it's out of the question to suggest Sentry could do such a thing either. Don't forget he has already pretty much according to UA #21 or 22 (depending on your interpretation Note: I am not picking a side here) either equalled or exceeded the power of every hero on Earth combined.
With the above questions I don't mean them to sound argumentative or anything I am just inquisitive as I am not to up to date with GR. Another reason this fight is difficult as I believe we still have yet to see Sentry's maximum here. From the little we have seen he has stopped Mjolnir via molecular manipulation. KO'd Thor in 2 hits and KO'd him with heat vision.
Plus we have statements from Robert stating that hurting his flesh is pointless as he is guided by his soul. He had his brain smashed in pieces by Thor and his whole head was back within a few panels. And given that the whole arc in Marvel time was 7 hours that could've only been a few seconds.
This will be a very tough battle.
Originally posted by Epicurus
We know that the Rider's go-to attack(the Penance Stare) is useless against people who are mentally compromised to max ala Deadpool . Sentry falls under similar levels of insane.Hence, Sentry wins.
Such a nonsense statement as the very insane Mad Cap was fully KO by the Penance Stare twice even though he is insane. So insane that his powers were driving people insane!
Nonsense is nonsense.
Also Deadpool was on the ground KOed for a short while. I read the issue. The only being to inconsistently be immune was Venom, and I say inconsistent as Venom was affected to a degree with pain the first fight he had with Ketch.
Obvious plot is obvious plot.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
If I recall wasn't it Yahweh or TOAA that gave the Ghost Rider the power?Were the battles involving Mephisto in his dimension like the Galactus battle or were they outside?
Also with regards to that issue (Uncanny Avengers Annual) I believe you are speaking of. I do have that issue. I believe he did do good against the Avengers but the Sentry has equally dealt with Thor as if he was trampling on an ant.
Now I don't think it's out of the question to suggest Sentry could do such a thing either. Don't forget he has already pretty much according to UA #21 or 22 (depending on your interpretation Note: I am not picking a side here) either equalled or exceeded the power of every hero on Earth combined.
With the above questions I don't mean them to sound argumentative or anything I am just inquisitive as I am not to up to date with GR. Another reason this fight is difficult as I believe we still have yet to see Sentry's maximum here. From the little we have seen he has stopped Mjolnir via molecular manipulation. KO'd Thor in 2 hits and KO'd him with heat vision.
Plus we have statements from Robert stating that hurting his flesh is pointless as he is guided by his soul. He had his brain smashed in pieces by Thor and his whole head was back within a few panels. And given that the whole arc in Marvel time was 7 hours that could've only been a few seconds.
This will be a very tough battle.
Yes, Yaweh is the closest thing to biblical god in Marvel comics by the various comics with him in it.
Mephisto was beaten by Zarathos unleashed fully in his own realm, and had to beat Zarathos in their first comic fight (70s/80s) with plot device of the souless man.
Zarathos and Nobel Kale Spirits beaten Blackheart in his own hell several times, as well Nightmare in his Realm.
I think its a good match as Hellfire GR uses is soul attacking in nature, thus allows GR to harm Sentry in some way.
Here is also a Respect thread i made for ghost Rider base on the Ghost rider comics from the 70s to the end of Jason's run on the series. Before that Female Rider or the new current Rider. So most current feats of the past 2-3 years are not here. Except some feats on the very bottom post of GR fighting Man Thing, Wanda, Thor, and Strange at the same time.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/ghost-rider-tribute-1457426/
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Yes, Yaweh is the closest thing to biblical god in Marvel comics by the various comics with him in it.Mephisto was beaten by Zarathos unleashed fully in his own realm, and had to beat Zarathos in their first comic fight (70s/80s) with plot device of the souless man.
Zarathos and Nobel Kale Spirits beaten Blackheart in his own hell several times, as well Nightmare in his Realm.
I think its a good match as Hellfire GR uses is soul attacking in nature, thus allows GR to harm Sentry in some way.
Here is also a Respect thread i made for ghost Rider base on the Ghost rider comics from the 70s to the end of Jason's run on the series. Before that Female Rider or the new current Rider. So most current feats of the past 2-3 years are not here. Except some feats on the very bottom post of GR fighting Man Thing, Wanda, Thor, and Strange at the same time.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/ghost-rider-tribute-1457426/
Thanks, just had a read through that thread. Loved the artwork on the issue where he fights Kazaar. I never actually knew that much about Zarathos/Ghost Rider so that thread helped me a lot.
Awesome respect thread you have there.
Originally posted by riv6672
CadenceV2, Punisher has also tanked the PS.Assuming the PS works on Sentry, GR wins. If not, its going to be a long drawn out fight with no real winner.
I dont think GR can put Sentry down.
I think GR can reform from any damage Sentry can inflict.
I heard of this once, but never seen that instance myself. Do you know where I can find that feat?
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I heard of this once, but never seen that instance myself. Do you know where I can find that feat?
The issue before the most recent Thunderbolts issue where Punisher fights GR. He's able to resist b/c he doesn't regret anything 🙁 The writers have been treating GR almost like fodder since he joined.
found it
Originally posted by Supermutant
The issue before the most recent Thunderbolts issue where Punisher fights GR. He's able to resist b/c he doesn't regret anything 🙁 The writers have been treating GR almost like fodder since he joined.found it
Uuuuuuuuug!!!!!
I was really excited for GR to be on Thunderbolts, but GR has been heavily treated like garbage in those issues. The fact GR stated Venom had too many sins when he tried to PS him contradicts the very nature of the PS as stated in all the other GR comics. Amount of sins matter not. Now they say Punisher regrets nothing, yet demonic beings or angels who feel no regret in any act they do for god or the various devils cannot tank the PS. Madcap of even Deadpool cannot tank the PS, but Punisher can?
It's official, the Thunderbolts writer really showed he has NO Clue how to handle GR, and proves the writer never read any amount of GR comics.
(Walks away ranting)
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I heard of this once, but never seen that instance myself. Do you know where I can find that feat?
Sorry, mo scans found.
Originally posted by riv6672
Not to contradict Supermutant, but the exact same thing happened When GR and Punisher first met (GR vol3 issues 5,6) in the first Danny Ketch series.
So, this was established since 1990, not just something thrown in recently.Sorry, mo scans found.
Actually I own both issues. Looking through them right now and nowhere does GR even tried to PS punisher in them. Both have a very short one sided fight before falling through the roof top which led them to the real villain. Then they are partners through the rest of the arc.
So punisher has never shown to tank a PS prior to Thinderbolts.
