Originally posted by pym-ftw
sarcasm wasn't conveyed 馃槷Buu's feats =\= Goku's feats
Are you gonna argue chocolates beam next?Galaxy buster refer to instant galaxy destroyers; see guys like Odin.
I can knock a house down, in a few years i could knock a city block down.
I'm not a blockbuster. Lol
Someone doesn't understand how powerscaling works
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
please show your work.
According to calcs and statements analyzed from the manga and anime alike, mostly the fact that Namek has 3 suns, we can conclude that Namek is 3.5 times larger than Earth in terms of size. The
This means that Nameks circumference is 70,131.25 km.
Master Roshi and Krillin traded series of blows as well as counters, strategy and movement all in one fifth of a second in Dragon Ball, both with power levels of 80 to 100 according to logic and the Daizenshuu. I was low-balling, by taking the power level of 100, and inputting it into Frieza's power level, the one he used when stomping Vegeta, not his full power of 120 million, but his 0.5% full power of 6 million. However, it's not possible to know how many punches or kicks they threw, so you have to be fair and low-ball the number, so you then are left with making Frieza's hand slower than it actually is, because Roshi and Krillin were moving and doing many things in the fifth of a second. Goku flew across half the distance of Namek, which has been calculated to be 3.5 times bigger than Earth, in less time than it took for Frieza's hand to travel to Vegeta.
So, using the fifth of a second, we can divide it by the difference in 6 million and 100 by division, giving us 60,000 which we divide a fifth by. That gives us the time it would have taken for Frieza's fist to reach Vegeta, which is low-balled to 0.000003, or one 3 millionths of a second. So, we can safely say that Goku flew across half Nameks distance in a 3 millionth of a second. So, with some simple multiplication and division, he flew 70,131.25 km in less than one 3 millionth of a second.Now, to get his simple speed in km/sec, we just multiply both sides by 300,000 to get 21,039,375,000 km/sec. Light is only 297,600 km/sec, making base Namek Goku 70,700 times faster than light.
There's no real indicator after this in the manga of how much stronger the characters become, but there IS in the anime. Now, factoring it accordingly to both the anime statement of Supreme kai being a thousand times more powerful than Frieza, and the Daizenshuu statement that base Goku was a thousand times more powerful than Supreme kai, we simply multiply his speed by a million, giving base Buu saga Goku a speed of 21,039,375,000,000,000, or 21 quadrillion, 39 trillion, 375 billion km/second, or 70,700,000,000 times faster than light.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Multiple suns =\= larger scaleNot sure what possibly makes you think that... there is no correlation.
Everything after that is just wishful thinking period.
No, there is.
The fact that their solar system has three sons makes the distance between them much larger, otherwise they would collide by their own gravitational pulls. While this most likely WOULD make the planet a lot more than 3.5 times larger, it makes is impossible for it to be larger without being vaporized on the surface because of the heat. So, the planet Namek is calced to be 3.5 times larger than Earth.
I can provide the calcs if you want.
Goku can enter his transformations at an instant rate by the Buu Saga. He was even able to transform into SSGod mode instantly when he absorbed Bills attack. Also when the SSGod mode disappeared Goku still had some of SSGod mode's power which will make him even more powerful.
Sailormoon on the other hand, her transformations take about a minute to get into and during that time Goku could attack her but he's not a cheap character(as he allowed Frieza to go 100%) or leave the scene and come up with a surprise attack. Goku would win.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaif you can prove a definite go for it. Sun distance also equates gravity btw.
No, there is.The fact that their solar system has three sons makes the distance between them much larger, otherwise they would collide by their own gravitational pulls. While this most likely WOULD make the planet a lot more than 3.5 times larger, it makes is impossible for it to be larger without being vaporized on the surface because of the heat. So, the planet Namek is calced to be 3.5 times larger than Earth.
I can provide the calcs if you want.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
if you can prove a definite go for it. Sun distance also equates gravity btw.
Okay then.
The easiest method to use is simply clocking Krillin鈥檚 trips back and forth from Guru鈥檚 place.
At this point in the story Krillin was moving at top speed to get back to Gohan. His exact powerlevel at this point isn鈥檛 known, but it鈥檚 later stated that both he and Gohan were above 10,000.
Why is this important?
Because we already know that Goku with a base powerlevel of 8,000 could travel at Mach 29 when going full speed; so at the very least we can apply this to Krillin (who truth be told ought to be much faster, but for all intents an purposes, it's fair in this case to lowball the size).
Mach 29 is 9,952.8 m/s or 9.9528 km/s, and with there being 3,600 seconds in an hour this would at the very least mean that Krillin was traveling at somewhere around 35,830 kilometers per hour. We multiply that by 2 (he said it would take a couple of hours) and we get 71,660.
Now from what we鈥檝e seen, Krillin had gone about halfway across the planet, meaning that Nameks circumference should be somewhere around 143,320.xx kilometers (71,660 x2), or 3.5 times larger than the Earths. Making the Diameter somewhere around 45620 kilometers, or again, 3.5 times larger than the Earth.
I鈥檓 paraphrasing information I remember seeing in a blog over at the OBD or somewhere, the numbers are solid, and it鈥檚 generally the best guess we鈥檝e got as to the size of Namek. This proves my calcs to Goku's speed later on.
Originally posted by atv2
Gohan was fighting enemies that had planet warping feats similar to Sailormoon(Like Garlic Jr.) and he managed to defeat them before he even reached the Super Saiyan Stage.
Yeah, that's true.
Although Garlic Jr. was nothing compared to Sailor Moon at her peak. Sailor Moon physically is closer to Cell's area.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
so on panel stated?
Uh, basically.
Goku ran Snake way with a power level of 8,000 in 24 hours. Snake way is 1,000,000 kilometers, or 625,000 miles. Dividing 625,000 by 24, we get that Goku has a speed of 26,042 miles per hour with a power level of 8,000.
Sound is 767 miles per hour. 26,042 is around mach 33. I just rounded down because I was, as I said, LOW-BALLING(plus I did the math in my head). Meaning that Goku is actually FASTER than the calc I gave. However, since people otherwise say I'm wanking, which they still do, I will be courteous enough to give the bare-minimum for his stats at points.
First off the calc is just calc stacking which is near entirely a reason to throw calcs out as they always ridiculously blow up the figures. It also opens up the loop of Goku's old slower speed = Frieza = Goku's new faster speed.
Next it assumes Goku is on the exact opposite side of the planet which I assume you got from that one out-of-manga line. Contradicted by the manga itself as Goku says they're not that far from him, something that also makes sense knowing their previous movements prior to the fight as previously it took them an hour or two to fly at full speed to cover gaps on the planet.
Then there's the bulk of the calc using Power Level scaling, which does not linearly exist in stat calcs in DB.
Finally there's the fact that Goku did not intercept a thrown punch, he gets there before the punch is even thrown. Neither the manga or anime shows Frieza in actual motion to strike, only his arm cocked.
TL;DR- Calc stacking, falsely assumed distance, Power Level scaling, feat that never even happened.
Otherwise hot spider mouth girl should have said it all.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaIt took Goku 177 days to run Snake way not 24 hours...
Uh, basically.Goku ran Snake way with a power level of 8,000 in 24 hours. Snake way is 1,000,000 kilometers, or 625,000 miles. Dividing 625,000 by 24, we get that Goku has a speed of 26,042 miles per hour with a power level of 8,000.
Sound is 767 miles per hour. 26,042 is around mach 33. I just rounded down because I was, as I said, LOW-BALLING(plus I did the math in my head). Meaning that Goku is actually FASTER than the calc I gave. However, since people otherwise say I'm wanking, which they still do, I will be courteous enough to give the bare-minimum for his stats at points.
When flying and avoid most of it he did it in a day, but again its significantly less than half the true distance.
Originally posted by BloodRain
First off the calc is just calc stacking which is near entirely a reason to throw calcs out as they always ridiculously blow up the figures. It also opens up the loop of Goku's old slower speed = Frieza = Goku's new faster speed.Next it assumes Goku is on the exact opposite side of the planet which I assume you got from that one out-of-manga line. Contradicted by the manga itself as Goku says they're not that far from him, something that also makes sense knowing their previous movements prior to the fight as previously it took them an hour or two to fly at full speed to cover gaps on the planet.
Then there's the bulk of the calc using Power Level scaling, which does not linearly exist in stat calcs in DB.
Finally there's the fact that Goku did not intercept a thrown punch, he gets there before the punch is even thrown. Neither the manga or anime shows Frieza in actual motion to strike, only his arm cocked.
TL;DR- Calc stacking, falsely assumed distance, Power Level scaling, feat that never even happened.
Otherwise hot spider mouth girl should have said it all.
No, first off, you're saying it's useless because it's correct. And you're not. Again, Toriyama didn't show exact numbers because everyone and their mother has twenty different forms after the Saiyan saga. That doesn't mean they can't scale though. All you're doing is voicing your opinion here, which is useless without some kind of base.
"Out-of-manga"? It was on-manga. Cover or not.
And THAT is contradicted by Goku having ran a million kilometers before. If you were used to running 20 mile marathons, would a walk down a side-walk be a long way to you, or would it be, "not that far"? Probably the latter.
Who are you referring to when you say that? Of course it took Krillin longer to fly across the planet than it did Goku. Their power levels are literally around 2.99 million away from each other, and that's being generous to Krillin. The gap in their power levels ALONE is 299 times greater than Krillin's power level as a whole. And as you just pointed out, power levels don't scale linearly. Either way, this entire point is meaningless, as all it accomplishes is distracting from the actual argument. It does nothing for your case.
No, he did. I can link you the scene if you want. I can't find a source for the pages right now, but I can give you the scene. Frieza was in mid-strike, and stopped when he saw Goku appear.
I didn't get that. Spider-girl scared me.