Goku Versus Usagi (Sailor Moon)

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
And it still wouldn't be Goku's speed.

SSJ1 is faster than Sailor Moon, even with that high-ball. SSJ1 is a 50X boost on base, making SSJ1 Goku 3,535,000,000,000 times FTL, or [B]3 Trillion, 535 Billion times faster than light. In other words, SSJ1 Goku in the Buu saga, even high-balling that one panel to one second, would be over 43 times faster than Sailor moon, and that's without even calcing the lack of resistance due to lack of gravity, as well as friction and other factors that make things faster in outer space.

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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
^You're

So was I, let me put it THIS way: You're not smart enough to disprove any of my calcs, so you're trying to take the easy way out. There is none though. You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it true.

And exactly what you said applies to yourself. You can't prove the calculation nor can you have any inkling of ANYONE's power level once Frieza goes into third form. And if you think correcting grammar somehow makes you seem smarter it doesn't, you are still an idiot (well not an 'idiot', just a stubborn ass who I disagree with, NYEH!). 'He went this distance in this amount of time so he must be this speed at some later point in the series.' I wish it worked like that but then we wouldn't need these Versus forums would we? Just a nerd, free time and a calculator.

Now lets continue with the actual fight: Using the Krillin and Roshi fight, we see a form of combat where not only are the combatants fast but their minds are fast at the same time too. Meaning even if regardless who IS faster, Goku is the only one who can weaponise his speed whilst Sailor Moon cannot.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's nowhere near that fast. 👆

Yeah that's true. I calculated the Namek speed feat multiplied it by the SSJ factors and he was only about half light speed. I didn't factor in the improvements he made to Base form in the Majin Saga but there is no mathematical indicator of his speed. That's when I went screw maths.

🤨 am I invisible or what...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
i literally already debunked the feat and was incredibly generous. Honestly removing both variation on the X and Y plane, it would be high balling to say Goku traveled 1/50th of the total distance in flight. The more everyone tries to fight it my earlier assumption of Mach 3-5 looks right on the money.

>DBZ
>Mach 5

Troll harder

Debunked feats are fun to use.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>DBZ
>Mach 5

Troll harder

Otherwise kindly refrain from name calling
Thank you.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I mean please prove me wrong. We have been going at this for over a month but i like calcing so if there are feats i missed or you want to see my work to disprove my calc I'll share it.

Otherwise kindly refrain from name calling
Thank you.

Then for what ever reason DBZ got slower afterwards.

Do you have a scan saying/showing mach 14

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Then for what ever reason DBZ got slower afterwards.

Do you have a scan saying/showing mach 14

You're retarded.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
And exactly what you said applies to yourself. You can't prove the calculation nor can you have any inkling of ANYONE's power level once Frieza goes into third form. And if you think correcting grammar somehow makes you seem smarter it doesn't, you are still an idiot (well not an 'idiot', just a stubborn ass who I disagree with, NYEH!). 'He went this distance in this amount of time so he must be this speed at some later point in the series.' I wish it worked like that but then we wouldn't need these Versus forums would we? Just a nerd, free time and a calculator.

Now lets continue with the actual fight: Using the Krillin and Roshi fight, we see a form of combat where not only are the combatants fast but their minds are fast at the same time too. Meaning even if regardless who IS faster, Goku is the only one who can weaponise his speed whilst Sailor Moon cannot.

1. I already have proved the calc.

2. Yes I can, the Daizenshuu gives cannon power levels for characters at certain points. Two commonly known ones are Final form Frieza's, and SSJ1 Namek Goku's. These are 120 million, and 150 million respectively. 👆

Also, refer to Daizenshuu statement of Supreme Kai being 1,000 times stronger than Frieza, and Goku being 1,000 times stronger than him(this one was taken from Daizenshuu power levels of the two). 👆

3. All in all, my calcs are based SOLELY on feats, statements, and author approved literature(Daizenshuu, and Manga covers). Nothing about them is disprovable, albeit some points may be somewhat arguable. However, none of this chalks up to flaws in my calcs, as again, THEY ALL LOW-BALL THE CHARACTERS.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He's nowhere near that fast. 👆

Refer to above posts. 👆

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I mean please prove me wrong. We have been going at this for over a month but i like calcing so if there are feats i missed or you want to see my work to disprove my calc I'll share it.

Otherwise kindly refrain from name calling
Thank you.

Mercenary Tao deflected a sniper bullet by flipping his shoe upwards which redirected it back to the sniper.

A .50 caliber sniper bullet travels 3,000 feet/second on average. This is 5.7 tenths of a mile. Almost 60% of a mile in one second. That's 2,052 mph. That's already mach 2.6 for the sniper bullet alone. Tao made his slipper go fast enough to deflect it without even batting an eyelash.

Maybe you meant Dragon BALL, not DBZ. And that's very casual, very early Dragon Ball. Oh, and later on, Goku and Piccolo exchange light-speed+ beams casually. This is proven by Piccolo's casual ki blast destroying the moon in less than a second while Gohan was rampaging.

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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. I already have proved the calc.

2. Yes I can, the Daizenshuu gives cannon power levels for characters at certain points. Two commonly known ones are Final form Frieza's, and SSJ1 Namek Goku's. These are 120 million, and 150 million respectively. 👆

Also, refer to Daizenshuu statement of Supreme Kai being 1,000 times stronger than Frieza, and Goku being 1,000 times stronger than him(this one was taken from Daizenshuu power levels of the two). 👆

3. All in all, my calcs are based SOLELY on feats, statements, and author approved literature(Daizenshuu, and Manga covers). Nothing about them is disprovable, albeit some points may be somewhat arguable. However, none of this chalks up to flaws in my calcs, as again, THEY ALL LOW-BALL THE CHARACTERS.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Mercenary Tao deflected a sniper bullet by flipping his shoe upwards which redirected it back to the sniper.

A .50 caliber sniper bullet travels 3,000 feet/second on average. This is 5.7 tenths of a mile. Almost 60% of a mile in one second. That's 2,052 mph. That's already mach 2.6 for the sniper bullet alone. Tao made his slipper go fast enough to deflect it without even batting an eyelash.

Maybe you meant Dragon BALL, not DBZ. And that's very casual, very early Dragon Ball. Oh, and later on, Goku and Piccolo exchange light-speed+ beams casually. This is proven by Piccolo's casual ki blast destroying the moon in less than a second while Gohan was rampaging.

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Nice try again.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Debunked feats are fun to use.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I mean please prove me wrong. We have been going at this for over a month but i like calcing so if there are feats i missed or you want to see my work to disprove my calc I'll share it.

Otherwise kindly refrain from name calling
Thank you.

Not my fault you don't get fiction

Can't link anything atm, though DBZ ki blasts are in the Mach double to quintuple (varies dependant on the Saga) digit speeds and DBZ chars regularly react to and outrun them

**** even Mercenary Tao was Mach 14 and Daimao Piccolo Saga chars were Mach 20+

inb4youdismissthisasanoutlier

So you have nothing and then insult me. Yeah... not sure what you mean by the first point unless that's a round about way of saying my Calcs hold less weight than a baseless wanking

I'd love to see a real number in the manga to use.

It would be best for anybody who trolls, flames, bashes, etc. to stop. This thread has been reported several times over the past few days.

For anybody who doesn't know me, I ban people. 👆

Originally posted by pym-ftw
i disproved your Calc. reation =\= speed also the vast majority of sniper rounds are subsonic. Also DB pre dates the Barret 50. Cal sniper rifle btw so using the absolute highest numbers you can find today don't work.

Nice try again.

lol, how's that again? Saying "I disproved your calc", when you really only tried and failed miserably =/= Disproving anything.

lol

Are you high or something? Dragon Ball has flying cars, dynocaps that can hold houses in pill sized capsules, a united world democratically ruled by a blue dog, etc. Using a Barret 50. cal is a LOW-BALL, lol. If anything, I should have used an anti-material rifle or something.

Yeah, I'M the one who needs to try again. Man, you crack me the phuck up.

Originally posted by Badabing
It would be best for anybody who trolls, flames, bashes, etc. to stop. This thread has been reported several times over the past few days.

For anybody who doesn't know me, I ban people. 👆

Shouldn't your name be Banabing?