Revan and ROTS Anakin vs ROTS Sidious and Dooku

Originally posted by Kotor3
I personally feel that a fully empowered Vitiate is above ROTS Sidious and more on the level of ROTJ Sidious

Perhaps on a general scale he is close, but in single combat? Blades, focused Lightning? No.

Originally posted by Selenial
Perhaps on a general scale he is close, but in single combat? Blades, focused Lightning? No.

Originally posted by Kotor3
There is no quote that I know of that states this specifically. Even though Revan may have had a stronger connection to the force (as stated by Malak), having fought through the SF as a Jedi (which would attribute no amplifying effects) without a fully restored memory, it is my assumption that Malak (who professed to have grown in power or surpassed Darth Revan) with the amplifying effects of the SF would be stronger than Revan at the time of their encounter.

But Malak lost.

Repeatedly. 😐

Originally posted by Kotor3
There is no quote that I know of that states this specifically. Even though Revan may have had a stronger connection to the force (as stated by Malak), having fought through the SF as a Jedi (which would attribute no amplifying effects) without a fully restored memory, it is my assumption that Malak (who professed to have grown in power or surpassed Darth Revan) with the amplifying effects of the SF would be stronger than Revan at the time of their encounter.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malak lost like terribad. Several times. To an exhausted Jedi in a nexus like setting.

Thats a pretty big indicator of it.

Kootor3 well your entire point was to prove Malak's superiority over Revan which is what people are disagreeing with here.

Revan and Malak were designed to be very close individuals in power (as stated by Drew), hence the difficulty both faced on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Kotor3
That speaks more to Revan than it belittles Malak. Is this your reason for assuming Malak was weaker because of losing multiple times?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan and Malak were designed to be very close individuals in power (as stated by Drew), hence the difficulty both faced on the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Selenial
Perhaps on a general scale he is close, but in single combat? Blades, focused Lightning? No.

On the Star Forge, I find it actually a realistic assessment that Malak was more powerful then Revan, to be honest.
Some Revanites took merely pieces of the Star Forge and become like nearly-invincible. The amp is just incredible.
Revan having a "brutal" battle with Darth Malak but barely pulling through at the end is how I always imagined it, same as Drew.

Forgive me if I'm not recalling the lines correctly, but doesn't Malak pretty much admit his inferiority to Revan after that fight?

Of course, he lost. In the eyes of defeat and all your power vanquished, it would be hard not to admit inferiority.

Except he lost at least 3 times in a row with Revan having to fight to get to him. He's blatantly inferior.

He lost three times in a row, but like I said, I find the 'wall of light' thing highly likely.
Revan encasing the stasis chamber in light energies, blocking out all darkness (in which a full light-side completion Revan would do according to the Prima Guide) would weaken Darth Malak.

Originally posted by Sinious
Kootor3 well your entire point was to prove Malak's superiority over Revan which is what people are disagreeing with here.

Revan would always have the greater potential in the force however, we are talking about a Revan who lost all of his memories and knowledge of the force and had to be retrained in the ways of the Jedi. Even when he gained some of his memory it wasn't everything.

It was Malak who told us that Revan connection to the force was stronger than previously. It was Malak who said that he surpassed Darth Revan. Unless Revan had gained enough of his past memories by the time he faced Malak, I find it hard to believe that he would have reach the potential to be stronger than Malak while being amplified by the SF.

As someone who places Darth Revan above KotOR!Revan, I find it unlikely Malak ever surpassed his former master until he was amplified by the Star Forge, if even then.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
As someone who places Darth Revan above KotOR!Revan, I find it unlikely Malak ever surpassed his former master until he was amplified by the Star Forge, if even then.

You place Darth Revan above KOTOR Revan, yet I thought you had KOTOR Revan equal to Novel Revan. Did I miss something?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He lost three times in a row, but like I said, I find the 'wall of light' thing highly likely.
Revan encasing the stasis chamber in light energies, blocking out all darkness (in which a full light-side completion Revan would do according to the Prima Guide) would weaken Darth Malak.

Oh yeah? And Revan knows the Wall of Light technique, does he?

But if you really think Revan weakened Malak through that method, well that really takes away from the impressiveness of the feat.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I know everyone is disagreeing. However, I still disagree. Revan was said to be more the stronger of the two. Understood.

Revan would always have the greater potential in the force however, we are talking about a Revan who lost all of his memories and knowledge of the force and had to be retrained in the ways of the Jedi. Even when he gained some of his memory it wasn't everything.

It was Malak who told us that Revan connection to the force was stronger than previously. It was Malak who said that he surpassed Darth Revan. Unless Revan had gained enough of his past memories by the time he faced Malak, I find it hard to believe that he would have reach the potential to be stronger than Malak while being amplified by the SF.

Then how did he win?

Over and over and over again?