It's not just assumption. We can see their powers have limits in other activities. We can see what hurts them, what can overpower their attacks, and so on.
The evidence is that the sun/moon thing applies just to the sun and moon.
Heck, Hearth's Warming Eve, iirc said that the Unicorn tribes used to do the job, yet they were matched by the Pegasus and Earth Ponies without such abilities.
It really is just an assumption, unless you can quantify Chrysalis' love amp, a plot device. Lack of collateral isn't really a valid complaint, either. I mean I could point out that Bills v.s. Goku never goes above city busting in BoG, but I'd never deny either could destroy a planet.
The unicorn tribe doing the feat required literally every unicorn to participate together in a world where magic is more than the sum of its parts. We've seen Twilight, Luna, and Celestia all move Celestial bodies with nothing more than Really Beeg Telekinesis.
Also Luna held back the elements of harmony in a beam war, so yeah.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It really is just an assumption, unless you can quantify Chrysalis' love amp, a plot device.
Princess-level magic has been seen in multiple fights.
And again, Discord's reality warping was shown to cover only a limited area. Even his power was only hitting ponyville. So, there's demonstrated limits.
Lack of collateral isn't really a valid complaint, either.
While collateral is often limited in some things, there is the matter that not even the beings with the greatest magic in existence ever do anything remotely near the sun scale except for the sun and moon.
We see what they actually do in fights. It makes more sense to judge what they'll do in a fight based on what they do in a fight, rather than outliers that are tied to specific objects which visibly behave differently than everything else.
The unicorn tribe doing the feat required literally every unicorn to participate together in a world where magic is more than the sum of its parts. We've seen Twilight, Luna, and Celestia all move Celestial bodies with nothing more than Really Beeg Telekinesis.
We've also seen Twilight showing clear effort to do less.
It fits much much better, and is less contradictory, to assume some specific sun-control ability rather than that they just have TK of that level but *literally* never use it on anything but the sun and moon.
Originally posted by Q99
Princess-level magic has been seen in multiple fights.And again, Discord's reality warping was shown to cover only a limited area. Even his power was only hitting ponyville. So, there's demonstrated limits.
While collateral is often limited in some things, there is the matter that not even the beings with the greatest magic in existence ever do anything remotely near the sun scale except for the sun and moon.
We see what they actually do in fights. It makes more sense to judge what they'll do in a fight based on what they do in a fight, rather than outliers that are tied to specific objects which visibly behave differently than everything else.
We've also seen Twilight showing clear effort to do less.
It fits much much better, and is less contradictory, to assume some specific sun-control ability rather than that they just have TK of that level but *literally* never use it on anything but the sun and moon.
Or the one where Twilight Sparkle stalemated a guy with the magic of everyone in Equestria /except/ the alicorns?
In every case the characters involved have been seeking to rule, not destroy, the world.
And Discord was causing havoc everywhere, he made Ponyville 'the chaos capitol of the world', it's hard to argue that a guy who was casually spinning the sun and moon around the Earth while cracking jokes and visual gags was only town level.
We see what they actually do in fights. It makes more sense to judge what they'll do in a fight based on what they do in a fight,
We've also seen Twilight showing clear effort to do less.
The fact is that the *only* thing supporting low balls like this is the lack of collateral damage. Rainbow Dash, an exceptional Pegasus, yes, but not a unique one, has feats above town level.
ScreampasteAnd Discord was causing havoc everywhere, he made Ponyville 'the chaos capitol of the world', it's hard to argue that a guy who was casually spinning the sun and moon around the Earth while cracking jokes and visual gags was only town level.
That's the thing- his aims were world wide, his influence was spreading, but so far... it was only a town and surrounding areas, perhaps a couple miles beyond the town itself but we saw the edge of the influence.
His goals were world-wide, and his havoc wasn't everywhere, it was limited to one zone.
And, I don't think it even looked like the sun and moon were moving from Canterlot, it was only when they got close that they saw the rapid switching.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Pretty sure MLP chars have Mach quad feats. Clorox on the other hand has no speed feats above Mach 30 or so. Pretty sure Kenny keels over and dies (Michael Rosen YTP reference >.>😉
Quad mach? Do you mean mach 4 (in which case I've seen higher calcs), or four-digit mach (in which case... yikes, she's fast but not that fast! The famous sonic rainboom episode calc puts her at mach 5 normally, then once she hits rainboom gets to at least mach 10.
Notably she can also do right-angle turns at that speed, so it's impressive, and like you say Twilight is even faster.
Anyway, Twilight's fast, teleports, and flies. She's not likely to engage in melee.
Something something Celestia throwing a lasso around the moon in a short time which was put at Mach 1200 or some such. MLP top tiers being on par with that and Twilight being one of them (not an expert though, I believe she was as of current standings)
Not arguing the thread, just correcting the "Kenny r too fazt" notion
Originally posted by KingD19Twilight had a few good reaction feats even before she became a princess. The version in this thread literally had less than 10 minutes of screen time, and most of that time was just her trying to get used to being a physical god.
Does Twilight? Does she have enough reaction feats to say she can hang with him?
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Something something Celestia throwing a lasso around the moon in a short time which was put at Mach 1200 or some such. MLP top tiers being on par with that and Twilight being one of them (not an expert though, I believe she was as of current standings)Not arguing the thread, just correcting the "Kenny r too fazt" notion
The mach 10 calc on RD is ancient and honestly, even back then she had better speed feats. shrug
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Well don't know the canon of MLP, or if it's like Transformers where everything is canon but whateverHow fast is MLP otherwise? From what I know, she seems like she has the DC to blast the entire Bleachverse to oblivion
Seems to be like going Super Saiyan though, now that she can do it again she can do it at will, she even managed to teach Twilight to do it.
Luna or Celestia should individually be able to planet bust very easily, and Twilight has the power of both, we even get to see her move the sun with TK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upc515jljDU
She's only had the power for a night and has trouble controlling it, but she does it, lol.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Well don't know the canon of MLP, or if it's like Transformers where everything is canon but whatever
Well, there's really only the show and the comics and maybe a few kids books. It's not like there's a lot of conflicting sources for FiM.
And the lasso/moon thing? Taking *that* as a speed feat is pretty absurd, because more than even the magicing of the sun/moon, it clearly shows the celestial bodies do not act like ours in the slightest.
Could you provide the link that proves their sun to be the same as ours?
I mean, I know Twilight is strong, but that seems completely impossible, given that our sun doesn't move, but the Earth does, and in MLP, the sun and moon orbit the Earth.
It also seems unrealistic that the sun would be the same size, because if it was the same distance as ours from Earth, it would have taken 7 minutes for them to notice the sun moving at all, and it happened almost instantly.