Originally posted by ScreamPasteCelestia moves a solar mass around Pony Earth with her mind literally every day.
And noticing shit like that before they should be able to is a common enough trope in fictional media that I don't even care anymore. It used to piss me off but **** it.
Wow, if that's real then that's damn impressive.
I know what you mean on this though. Just like in DB and DBZ when characters see things like others moving FTL, etc.
No one in DBZ has moved FTL that I can recall, but it happens often enough in Comic books, for example. estahuh
It gets better, though.
Celestia actually survived the entirety of Episode 2 inside the sun, and Luna and Celestia can at least travel at FTL speeds the way Celestia did at the end of ep 2, returning from the sun to Earth in about two seconds. That's like eight light minutes. shrug
Judging from her fully powered up fight with Tirek, we see that her reaction isn't so great that she can dodge Tirek, who himself isn't all that fast. And Tirek seems to have no problem fighting her.
I'm serious in asking what makes Twilight's reaction speed fast enough to keep up with Kenpachi shunpo'ing around and slicing through reality and her along with it.
She flies fast, I'm not saying she doesn't. But flying fast doesn't mean she can automatically keep up with guys like him going by the only fight we have her in.
She had plenty of reaction feats even before she was an Alicorn. She's caught RD with her TK on multiple occasions, for example, though never while she was rainbooming. As an Alicorn she managed an AoE hold person on the rest of the main cast in Castle-Mania, while they were all panicking, so Kenpachi's mobility isn't going to be an issue if Twilight doesn't want it to be.
Kenpachi routinely moves fast enough that people like Byakuya(one of the fastest of the Captains) is impressed by his speed. Which is well beyond the speed she caught Rainbow Dash at, considering she could still see and react to her.
And for her to use her tk on him, she'd have to be able to see him, and as I pointed out, Bleach move too fast for normal people to see. Sometimes they move too fast for their also fast as hell opponents to see.
There's also his spiritual pressure to take into account which will effect her in at least some way since she's never experienced it before.
And he's pretty much strong enough to do everything Tirek did.
I probably worded that wrong. Do you think, based on the reactionary speed feats(reacting fast enough to effect someone or something moving fast, i.e. catching a flying Rainbow Dash with her TK) Twilight Sparkle has shown, that she is fast enough to keep up with Zaraki's speed?
Because there's a lot of incredibly slow stuff in comparison to Bleach that gets the better of her.
Fair, if you didn't meant to word it like that then I retract what I said.
I don't read Bleach, so I have no idea. My intent coming in here wasn't really even to argue, so much as dispel the notion that MLP top tiers are sub town level. I've heard Bleach high ends are in the double digit hypersonic range.
That said, she can react to RD sub Rainboom, which is no small feat, and she, again, has AoE to deal with him even if he is faster. We've never seen Twilight out for blood before, but in the OP's stips she would be bloodlusted, another thing to consider.
Originally posted by KingD19
I probably worded that wrong. Do you think, based on the reactionary speed feats(reacting fast enough to effect someone or something moving fast, i.e. catching a flying Rainbow Dash with her TK) Twilight Sparkle has shown, that she is fast enough to keep up with Zaraki's speed?Because there's a lot of incredibly slow stuff in comparison to Bleach that gets the better of her.
Um... yes, she has reacted to things much faster than Kenny, as well as moved faster than him.
You can't judge how fast Tirek is, by how fast he looks. Characters have moved FTL many times in fiction, when they were still visible. Disappearing =/= Equal FTL. In fact, most calcs put Bleach high-tiers like Aizen at only around mach 20-30. Twilight easily outflew RD with one flap of her wings. Not to mention that was just normal flight, not the kind that Alicorns apparently use to move the celestial masses.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No one in DBZ has moved FTL that I can recall, but it happens often enough in Comic books, for example. estahuhIt gets better, though.
Celestia actually survived the entirety of Episode 2 inside the sun, and Luna and Celestia can at least travel at FTL speeds the way Celestia did at the end of ep 2, returning from the sun to Earth in about two seconds. That's like eight light minutes. shrug
No, even DBZ high tiers reach light speed tiers pretty early on. Combat speed =/= travel speed, but Goku on Namek with a 3 million PL has a TRAVEL speed of 77,000 times FTL. Instant Transmission, because of a dub error, was misconstrued as light speed, which was thought to disprove all previous LS+ feats, but it is actually INSTANT, as in no lapse of time between departure and arrival. Essentially time stop. Superior to even teleportation, in most series.
I actually don't know how reliable that whole convo seems. Tbh, I find it unbelievable that Celestia is that strong. That would mean she would have been so strong she could have killed Tirek by flicking in his general direction. She clearly was not. It honestly seems to me that the sun is the same size as the moon, more or less. I also do not believe at all that Celestia survived in a heat of billions of degrees for any amount of time at all. She has been hurt and injured by attacks from MUCH weaker characters.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Fair, if you didn't meant to word it like that then I retract what I said.I don't read Bleach, so I have no idea. My intent coming in here wasn't really even to argue, so much as dispel the notion that MLP top tiers are sub town level. I've heard Bleach high ends are in the double digit hypersonic range.
That said, she can react to RD sub Rainboom, which is no small feat, and she, again, has AoE to deal with him even if he is faster. We've never seen Twilight out for blood before, but in the OP's stips she would be bloodlusted, another thing to consider.
You're basically right about that. The Bleach high tiers, like current char's are estimated around mach 50-100, but that's mostly speculation because they don't really give any definitive info for feats in Bleach.
Char's like Gremmy and Kenny though, are around mountain-range level. I'd say that's around Twilight level, as she seems to lack the strength, control and knowledge to wield magic at Celestia's cosmic level.
Char's like Gremmy and Kenny though, are around mountain-range level. I'd say that's around Twilight level, as she seems to lack the strength, control and knowledge to wield magic at Celestia's cosmic level.
And no, I cannot recall anything resembling a FTL feat from DBZ, but I'm not going to argue with you about DBZ in a non-DBZ thread. Suffice to say I disagree.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Control, sure. But we uh, [b]saw her move the sun. 😐And no, I cannot recall anything resembling a FTL feat from DBZ, but I'm not going to argue with you about DBZ in a non-DBZ thread. Suffice to say I disagree. [/B]
Uh, yeah, but Tirek's destruction and strength feats put him at incomparably weaker than a character with star level TK, which Twilight would have according that that statement. The Twilight that he stalemated. I'm just saying, it's a massive difference between the mountain/town level destruction that Tirek has displayed, and the supposed planet/star level that Twilight should be capable of. The fact that she stalemated Tirek disproves that completely.
Well, we don't have to argue that right now, but off-topic, there are dozens of FTL feats in DB/DBZ. Even Kid Goku outran the light from Tien's solar flare as a child. Goku waved away photon rays from Doctor Gero. Raditz dodged a blast that was faster and stronger than a beam that reached the moon from Earth in less than a second or two. The list goes on.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Bills v.s. Goku barely reached city busting levels, lack of colateral isn't an argument, lol. Tirek had the power of Discord and every pony in Equestria combined, including the element bearers, minus the princesses.
Uh, the difference between Bills and Goku's fight, and Tirek and Twilight's fight, is that it's been a main element in the series since Dragon Ball that characters have to make their attacks more dense to increase their power. This also reduces the AOE of the attacks. This is demonstrated by Buuhan neglecting attack density, and almost destroying all of reality itself. Vegetto then busted through his barrier, which according to AOE in spread out power, had reality/multiverse+ level power. This is because of Vegetto condensing his power. Even Vegeta said in the Cell saga that he had to be extremely careful when fighting by condensing and controlling his attacks, or he would accidentally destroy the solar system.
Tirek shot off blasts that were meant to effect massive area's, and they only covered Twilight's library in flames. There was still wood left, meaning said attacks were weak enough to be resisted by wood. Tirek's strength lies mostly in his physical abilities, at least presumably, which can be inferred to describe why his size increased from absorbing magic.
Basically what I'm saying, is that if you think star level attacks can't burn through wood, or cover more than a small town, then there is a flaw in your sources. In DBZ, or even Bleach which is more on-topic than we're getting, if someone can destroy a mountain, then they can also destroy a boulder. However, with an AOE that small, their attack is so strong that it vaporizes the boulder completely. It's basically the difference between a red supergiant star, and a black hole. A black hole is ridiculously smaller, but the temperatures found in it, and it's physical force outclass that of a red supergiant to the point that a black hole could instantly absorb a supernova produced by a red supergiant. Just because a black hole is smaller, doesn't mean that it's stronger. BUT, you also have to judge by demonstrable force, because the fat man bomb was around size in explosion to a black hole, but the force was not even worth comparing to a black hole. Twilight hasn't displayed meteorite strength, and in fact no one in MLP has, but based on that statement, you're putting her at star level.
She IS stronger than Kenny, but nowhere near real life star level.
So, what you're saying is, you think you know more about the show than the writers.
The problem you're going to have is, as much as you might want to sit there and claim Twilight can't move a star with TK, she did move a star with TK. Tirek stalemated her, but Tirek had the power of Discord, up to that point the most powerful character in MLP, plus the magic of everyone in Equestria, sans the princesses. This isn't hard.
Twilight moved a star, ergo she can move a star. Tirek stalemating her with Discord's power is not a low showing.
Lack of collateral is not, and will never be, an argument. Especially when dealing with a show that isn't allowed to mention death.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what you're saying is, you think you know more about the show than the writers.The problem you're going to have is, as much as you might want to sit there and claim Twilight can't move a star with TK, she did move a star with TK. Tirek stalemated her, but Tirek had the power of Discord, up to that point the most powerful character in MLP, plus the magic of everyone in Equestria, sans the princesses. This isn't hard.
Twilight moved a star, ergo she can move a star. Tirek stalemating her with Discord's power is not a low showing.
Lack of collateral is not, and will never be, an argument. Especially when dealing with a show that isn't allowed to mention death.
I'm saying that "scan" is obviously either fake, unreliable, or both.
Twilight also demonstrably can't destroy anything more than a mountain. Since all her and others from MLP's, strongest feats equate to that, what you're claiming would either be incorrect, or the biggest example of outlier in all of fiction.
Twilight moved a star that is roughly the size of the moon. Otherwise, again, it would have taken 7 minutes for her to even realize she was moving it, AT LEAST. And that's assuming her magic can move instantly.
What? I seem to recall that a few characters have died in the show, King Sombra as an example.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you think you know more than the writers. That's adorable. I'll be discounting your opinion then.
Nice job at proving the falsity of your little convo, but that still doesn't help your argument here.
And yes, I do think I know more than the writers if they think that light from the sun travels to Earth instantly.
7 minutes. Light can't travel instantly. Feat debunked. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Nice job at proving the falsity of your little convo, but that still doesn't help your argument here.And yes, I do think I know more than the writers if they think that light from the sun travels to Earth instantly.
7 minutes. Light can't travel instantly. Feat debunked. 👆
And then we have Lauren Faust.
And then we have your assertions.
And then we have Amy Keating Rogers.
And then your assertions.
And then Luna holding back the elements of harmony.
Your assertions
vs
Discord stirring the solar system.
Your assertions vs
Celestia moving a star with her mind.
Your assertions v.s.
Twilight with Celestia and Luna's power moving a star with her mind.
Your assertions v.s.
Tirek with Discord's power and the power of every pony but the princesses stalemating Twilight.
Looks like your assertions lose, boyo.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So we have your assertions.And then we have Lauren Faust.
And then we have your assertions.
And then we have Amy Keating Rogers.
And then your assertions.
And then Luna holding back the elements of harmony.
Your assertions
vs
Discord stirring the solar system.
Your assertions vs
Celestia moving a star with her mind.
Your assertions v.s.
Twilight with Celestia and Luna's power moving a star with her mind.
Your assertions v.s.
Tirek with Discord's power and the power of every pony but the princesses stalemating Twilight.
Looks like your assertions lose, boyo.
All you're doing is literally repeating what you've been saying this whole time.
Those feats are not proven, as 1. Discord has never stirred a solar system, you fibber.
And 2. The sun in MLP is moon sized. Either prove it with facts, or shut up.
Again, it takes 7 minutes for light from the sun to reach Earth. Either light is somehow faster in MLP, or the sun is RIDICULOUSLY smaller. This would also equate to RIDICULOUSLY lower temperatures.
Your baseless statements and possibly conjured convo's with people who might just be representing the author's, show only that you don't know the first thing about basic physics.