Originally posted by Revanchiste
It is actually said that tzeentch Realm is in 9D. As his maze reflect all nine dimensions simultaneously.
It's like 9D compacted into one....Chaos time paradox is new scale there some things unbelievable in 5D worlds.. But 9D...
I hate to break it to you, but the amount of dimensions doesn't really say anything nor is it really even relevant to a being's power. Fiction writers throw around dimensional numbers without a care, 3D, 4D, 5D, 10D, 18D, etc. None of it tells us anything. Feats and actual, demonstrable powers matter, not "dimensions".
Tzeentch has never even done anything on a galactic+ level. He gets crushed.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Galactus contract the Villan/heroe syndrom in the same time.. Of course he is not a BBEG. But clearly an entity of searching a reason to exist.
So you have no scan? That was all I wanted to know 🙂 and BTW he has a reason to exist, the Abraxas saga made that crystal clear.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I hate to break it to you, but the amount of dimensions doesn't really say anything nor is it really even relevant to a being's power. Fiction writers throw around dimensional numbers without a care, 3D, 4D, 5D, 10D, 18D, etc. None of it tells us anything. Feats and actual, demonstrable powers matter, not "dimensions".Tzeentch has never even done anything on a galactic+ level. He gets crushed.
Note by his own power, as he prefer to act....
But the description of his magic power demonstarate that he could, that's like Revan capppble of pulling down a star destroyer, we enevr see him but we are sure that he could...
He summon lightnings from teh sky, that's a TK feat of massive sub-molecular manipulation at 10 000 meters aboves his head.....SO yess he can !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAdHZtB_n9I
This what I found really sad about Comicvine Battle forum and comic book fan...
Utrigita I'm nihiliste I follow Niestch way of thinking.... So to me that's less clear.
I receive a different perception, and I think that's great that everyon interpretate messages deliver by comic books...
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Utrigita I'm nihiliste I follow Niestch way of thinking.... So to me that's less clear.
I receive a different perception, and I think that's great that everyon interpretate messages deliver by comic books...
And that is fine and well. Your personal belief is none of my concern. My concern was that you made a statement, a statement you where unable to support and that in my book, is the end of it.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Note by his own power, as he prefer to act....But the description of his magic power demonstarate that he could, that's like Revan capppble of pulling down a star destroyer, we enevr see him but we are sure that he could...
He summon lightnings from teh sky, that's a TK feat of massive sub-molecular manipulation at 10 000 meters aboves his head.....SO yess he can !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAdHZtB_n9I
This what I found really sad about Comicvine Battle forum and comic book fan...Utrigita I'm nihiliste I follow Niestch way of thinking.... So to me that's less clear.
I receive a different perception, and I think that's great that everyon interpretate messages deliver by comic books...
So do you have any feats from Tzeentch that would actually make it possible for him to stand up to at least 1/100th of Galactus's power?
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
So do you have any feats from Tzeentch that would actually make it possible for him to stand up to at least 1/100th of Galactus's power?
When Revan Can pull down lightnings from the sky it mean it mean that he is able of mass sub-atomic reaction at 10Km above his head... SO no doubts that he could pull down a star destroyer.
Chaos is everythig except logic.... Logic is a thing that came from order. Continious timeline etc is created by order. So as a warp god Tzeentch escape the logic of Galactus power.
+He is extremly clever and have been able to make complexe manipulation with his own magic to defend himself. Since his magic is reall special....
I mean he can force galactuc to suck upon himself in a endless loop by using Galactus own powers.
Galactus may be clever but he doesn't compet with Tzeentch.. If he was Tzeench he wuldn't have to suck upon planet to source him.... With complexe time warping manipulation he could anihilate this problem...
Tzeench have been able to do such manipulation...
I mean the fact that Galactus loose his power if he don't feed upon planets is a result of order rules, that chaos totaly ignore...
As tzeenhc is able to transfert power from himself via complex time paradox machinery.... it is near infinite power...
Have you any Joke character like this :
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18233/Simon_Ewok.jpg
Yhea Simon the ewok psychopathe unloackable
This guy destroy an entire planet with a silex knife.... By diging to the center in 30s.... Basicly he is super fast and impossible to kill....
Chuck Norris reicarnation into an ewok...
The most O.P unit from Galactic battleground...
I mean even Deadpool have a limit...
Anyway.
Galactus V.S Tzeentch Dialog.
Galactus : I'm Galactus blablabla.
- Hey Galactus you have some time manipulation powers?
- How dare you to talk to me like that?
- Well I have a book that teach how to use them to obtain eveyrthing without any cost, with no sacrifice what soever...
- Do you think that I'm stupid? DO really think that I gonna to buy it? Whisper to tzeench : (Err well how much is this book)
- Just a sign on that cobntract. Think : (In echange o your soul ; your will, and your physical body. dummy)
Tzeench can offer anything but the cost is heavy.
Any C'tan God satelemate Galactus....
Including the Deiceiver, who is a C'tan god of deception outdicked by Tzeench, and Satelemate Cegorath (Despite their farsight ability.. They doesn't compete with an omniscient god.....)
And as Galactus they are limited to the materium.... (In term of power and influence..)
The emperor was Power in teh warp because he was a warp god... As he share many characteristics with other chaos gods...
After 10 pages...
Originally posted by Revanchiste
When Revan Can pull down lightnings from the sky it mean it mean that he is able of mass sub-atomic reaction at 10Km above his head... SO no doubts that he could pull down a star destroyer.Chaos is everythig except logic.... Logic is a thing that came from order. Continious timeline etc is created by order. So as a warp god Tzeentch escape the logic of Galactus power.
+He is extremly clever and have been able to make complexe manipulation with his own magic to defend himself. Since his magic is reall special....
I mean he can force galactuc to suck upon himself in a endless loop by using Galactus own powers.
Galactus may be clever but he doesn't compet with Tzeentch.. If he was Tzeench he wuldn't have to suck upon planet to source him.... With complexe time warping manipulation he could anihilate this problem...
Tzeench have been able to do such manipulation...
I mean the fact that Galactus loose his power if he don't feed upon planets is a result of order rules, that chaos totaly ignore...
As tzeenhc is able to transfert power from himself via complex time paradox machinery.... it is near infinite power...Have you any Joke character like this :
http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/19/18233/Simon_Ewok.jpg
Yhea Simon the ewok psychopathe unloackable
This guy destroy an entire planet with a silex knife.... By diging to the center in 30s.... Basicly he is super fast and impossible to kill....
Chuck Norris reicarnation into an ewok...
The most O.P unit from Galactic battleground...I mean even Deadpool have a limit...
So still not providing any feats for Tzeentch? Being clever and manipulative isn't going to do much for you when your opponent can wipe you from existence. Hell, Dr. Doom is actually a better manipulator and is in general more clever than Tzeentch.
Tzeentch cannot touch Galactus because he is many orders of magnitude weaker than Galactus. So what if Tzeentch can defy logic? Galactus(or any other cosmic being) can easily do that as well. He doesn't do it in regards to his weakness(the need to consume planets) because he is fulfilling a clear goal, he understands exactly why he needs to do it and does not try to 'cheat' the balance he's supposed to keep. As a note: Galactus does not necessarily need to consume planets. He can consume dimensions(example: Mephisto's Warp-like realm), or even other beings(example: Uatu).
Chaos doesn't follow rules? This is nonsense. Chaos follows some very clear rules about how daemons/Chaos Gods are manifested. In fact, if Chaos was actual, true chaos, then deamons/Chaos Gods wouldn't exist. The Warp would just be everything and nothing at the same time. The very fact that the Warp can be traversed, used and even inhabited proves that it follows some kind of rules even if those rules are hard to comprehend to mortals.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Anyway.
Galactus V.S Tzeentch Dialog.
Galactus : I'm Galactus blablabla.
- Hey Galactus you have some time manipulation powers?
- How dare you to talk to me like that?
- Well I have a book that teach how to use them to obtain eveyrthing without any cost, with no sacrifice what soever...
- Do you think that I'm stupid? DO really think that I gonna to buy it? Whisper to tzeench : (Err well how much is this book)
- Just a sign on that cobntract. Think : (In echange o your soul ; your will, and your physical body. dummy)
Tzeench can offer anything but the cost is heavy.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
Any C'tan God satelemate Galactus....
Including the Deiceiver, who is a C'tan god of deception outdicked by Tzeench, and Satelemate Cegorath (Despite their farsight ability.. They doesn't compete with an omniscient god.....)And as Galactus they are limited to the materium.... (In term of power and influence..)
The emperor was Power in teh warp because he was a warp god... As he share many characteristics with other chaos gods...
Galactus is absolutely not limited to the material universe. If you knew anything at all about Galactus, you would not be saying that. The Emperor isn't a Warp God, he's an incredibly powerful psyker, but he was still ultimately born in the physical universe. The only thing he has in common with the Chaos Gods is that he has a lot of worshipers and that he has a huge psychic presence. The funny thing is that even a thousand Emperors have less power than Galactus's farts and the Chaos Gods feared him.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
It is said that all materium god in contact with immaterium daemonic stuff instantly die.... So Chaos gods are immune to Galactus ! I was right about the daemonic stuff...
How did you come to the conclusion that daemons would be immune to Galactus? You do realize that simple bolter shells can kill(or at least banish) daemons, right? But even then, Galactus's power is so much, MUCH more than 'material'.
I find it funny that one of the biggest things being said towards Blaxican is something Galactus actually did to Sphinx. Trap him in an infinite time loop.
Not to mention him teleporting a galaxy, him wiping a galaxy clean of the A Wave and destroying galaxies against Tyrant seem to be relevant to a large army like this.
Though you could go higher if more collateral damage is needed to encompass everything in the 40k universe and bring up him/The Other/Scrier about to destroy the multiverse.
He can consume dimensions(example: Mephisto's Warp-like realm), or even other beings(example: Uatu).
I know.. Like C'tan gods XD. Including the Deceiver....
Tzeench magic completly outclass what Galactus is cappble to do.. No description aviable...
C'Tan god (Who share many caracteristics with galactus) are linked to the materium.... And they instantly die in contact of the immaterium...
The emperor IS A WARP GOD EVEN IF DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALL A GOD. THERE IS A THEORY ABOUT IT THAT HAVE BEEN CHECKED AND IT IS TRUE.
Mayby in the material universe HE IS A WONDERFULL PSYCHER? BUT HE IS OLDER THAT TIME ITSELF !!!!!!! OLDER THAN THE OLD ONE (something similar to chaos gods.....) + HE HAVE HIS OWN DAEMONIC ARMY, AN SHARE MULTIPLE CHARACTERISTIC WITH CHAOS GODS !!!!
Try to harm Tzeench with a bolter bullet.... (Or bolt) Or a daemon prince... You can certainly harm their manifestation in the materium...
But it is said that they could still leave in the immaterium Greater daemon still leave in the immaterium.
There is a quote of a Tzeench daemon that adress in himself to the imperium and talk about the reason that proove that the imperium is powerless against the warp forces.....
I mean Tzeench within the warp is much stronger than galactus himself...
Tzeentch has hundreds of feats thru his Avatars teh Lord of Changes and his Followers like Thousand Sons, Magnus, Lesser Daemons, Chaos Lords, ect.
I mean Tzeench prefere to use other to achieve his goals as he follow his own Idelology.... It is self limitation.
+Chaos gods are chaos gods.
They cant be killed or done away with once coming into being.
Except by Ynnead..... Who just is the god of logic ****... (If chaos was not enough absent of logic....)
+
Quote :
"A) No, every single being is not a part of the material universe, there's the infinite inhabitants of the Warp.
B) It clearly says by the emotions and souls of every being of the material universe. There's nothing "obviously" limiting it to the known universe.
C) They're powered by every being not just the ones leaving off psychic energy.
D) Tzeentch is active in the Warhammer: Fantasy universe that Games Workshop has clearly stated is not in the 40k Universe. So not only do the Chaos Gods have domain over the material universe of 40k but they are also present in the Fantasy Universe, making them multi-universal Gods...and before you, very politely I'm sure, inquire yes they are the same entity."
+Second quote :
Its a Tzeentch minion from the Warhammer Fantasy Universe, which is not a part of the Milky way. This is evidence of Tzeentch affecting life in a different universe.
You may be able to reduce their influence on one dimension, but not killing them... As they exist in different shape and forms (except Tzeench who keep the same form... Ironic for the lord of change isn't it?) Warp is more complex than a simple mirror to one world...
That's just how being of each universe see the warp. As a mirror of their own universe.. But there is little to know about Warp true nature...
Warp is far above galaxy level... Since it's a mirror of the entire omniverse.....
