Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Marvel Universe wins with no difficulty.
That's the result just by looking at the tiering.
But by making reasearchs and using critical thinking... We could find that the victory won't be won so easly...
Fight including cosmics beings often go to satelmate...
Coluche said one day : that's not because your are numerous that you are right.
Also decline as Dumb ass have always right because there is a lot of them.
I may be look dumb but I'm tired of DC or Marvel fans layzyness.. Even if they provide me some good argument I keep reflect that same lazyness in my syntaxe etc...
I mean there some specific factors, like how characters will enteract between us,their intelligence, some particular abilities....
This is more than just looking at tiering..
And by looking at tiering we can find that tzeench outclass galactus anyway (thank to some old fluff quotes)...
Since he is a being bigger than what galactus could even absorb....
His farsights abilities are provide by his existances in multiples plans...
he is the kind of guy that could just stomp Galactus easly just at looking tiering.. Since a 9A character can sometimes compete with a 7B character.... And even stomp !! But 2A quasi-always get badly stomped by 1C character Tzeench is 1C within the warp... And completly trash galactus since he is omniscient at every level.... present past future, on multple universe and all their alternative reality...
Galactus si great but tzeench is more than great...
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Warhammer 40 000 is just Tzeench favorite playground (since he seem to care less about the other universe....) I Think that he could just relocate hisplayground by rebuilding it if warhammer 40 000 get destroy.. Since tzeench despite being named lord of change seem to build just an endless story where change are minor twist for him... (But for human or anykind of inhabitant it is change...) as he keep this grim dark ambiance to lure people in hoping for change...
Originally posted by Revanchiste
I use the old fluff too..... So it is normal that there is some point you are missing....
There is no colourfull interpretation only colourfull explaination on warp concepts that are very complicated...There is fight that couldn't be ended, because there is cosmic beings that cannot be killed or destroyed.
And Vault... Chaos gods really grow and ewpand like the universe does, and they are figthing for this flow.
I posted a link with just thousand of quote about warhammer 40 000 universe...
So if you just could stop harassing me for the quote I already given to you...+ I hardly doubts of Galactus capacity to destroy ebeing that leave in a plan that he cannot reach....
Alright, so can you point me to a source that explicitly states that Tzeentch is omniversal?
Cosmic beings are not invincible and can be destroyed. Frankly, I don't really think Chaos Gods even qualify as Cosmic beings, but I admit that's a pretty subjective category.
Chaos Gods grow as their source of nourishment increases(sentient beings); the universe expanding doesn't really do anything for them. Either way, the Chaos Gods are almost certainly limited to the Milky Way galaxy anyway.
I remember you giving quotes from the perspective of some guy entering the Warp and basically tripping balls. I think a good analogy is that if some guy takes a bunch of drugs and then tells you how he saw the multiverse unraveling before him, you're not going to take him seriously. I'd like to see a source that's objective and not taken from the perspective of some mortal whose mind got badly confused by the Warp.
Why not? The being in question is far weaker than Galactus and has absolutely nowhere to hide from him.
I mean Tzeench is only a name this things probably don't have a name.. Since our bird lover in the warp might just be an incarnation of this" things"
But the guy in the impossible forteress (this thing) is omniversal.. I don't now if I can name it tzeentch.
"Chaos Gods grow as their source of nourishment increases(sentient beings); the universe expanding doesn't really do anything for them. Either way, the Chaos Gods are almost certainly limited to the Milky Way galaxy anyway."
Warp gods are not limited to chaos gods.... There is more enties in the immaterium and some of them can exist without sourcing on being...
Warps gods in my opinion are incarnation avatars of sometings that is well hard to describe.... I'm talking about the seed....
The description is kinda free to interpretation... That's just the problem. It seem that manifest in differents forms.. I have difficulty to put word over the concepts I admit it.
How I ddeduce that kinda of think? I ask even more question on the mechanic how they are cappble to born under differents shapes on multiples universe.
I think that it must exist somethings behind...
I remember the mirror description of the warp... The mirror take shape of the reflect. A face have eyes nose etc.... And concept reflected correspond to a gods..
Ho well I'm lost again..
In the end it is a job of asking question and finding solutions..
Originally posted by Revanchiste
I mean Tzeench is only a name this things probably don't have a name.. Since our bird lover in the warp might just be an incarnation of this" things"
But the guy in the impossible forteress (this thing) is omniversal.. I don't now if I can name it tzeentch."Chaos Gods grow as their source of nourishment increases(sentient beings); the universe expanding doesn't really do anything for them. Either way, the Chaos Gods are almost certainly limited to the Milky Way galaxy anyway."
Warp gods are not limited to chaos gods.... There is more enties in the immaterium and some of them can exist without sourcing on being...
Warps gods in my opinion are incarnation avatars of sometings that is well hard to describe.... I'm talking about the seed....
The description is kinda free to interpretation... That's just the problem. It seem that manifest in differents forms.. I have difficulty to put word over the concepts I admit it.
How I ddeduce that kinda of think? I ask even more question on the mechanic how they are cappble to born under differents shapes on multiples universe.
I think that it must exist somethings behind...I remember the mirror description of the warp... The mirror take shape of the reflect. A face have eyes nose etc.... And concept reflected correspond to a gods..
Ho well I'm lost again..In the end it is a job of asking question and finding solutions..
What things? The guy in the Impossible Fortress is Tzeentch, unless you have proof to the contrary.
True, but so far I don't know of a single Warp entity that does not need a source in the materium. Can you show me at least one?
It seems to me like you're making things up about this "seed". Do you have any proof of it at all?
What are you even talking about?
You're not making any sense here.
Yeah, it's quite evident that you're very lost. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Originally posted by awraru
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You see.... That's the problem with comic book fanboys... And that's why there is so much rage about DC and Marvel...
The problem is that you see warps in one only way....
But it is like the force :
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The Living Force: the living Force is an aspect of the Force described as “raw and close at hand”, it is an energy that exists in all living things and necessary for life. It might be described as the ‘physical’ aspect of the Force, with every tangible Force ability from telekinesis, to telepathy, from healing to alter environment, and indeed Sith lightning and magic, being derived and dependent on this aspect. Plagueis, in his study of midi-chlorians, broke this power down further into anima and pneuma. Anima relating to “animals, plants and other living beings”, and pneuma as “the expression of conscious thought”, collectively comprising life.
The Cosmic Force: the cosmic Force, also known as the unifying Force, is the other side of the coin. Described as a “vast cosmic power” it binds the galaxy together, uniting matter to give it shape and cohesion. It concerns the will of the Force, and cosmic flow of the universe. In that respect you might consider it the ‘metaphysical’ aspect. Plagueis described it as aperion, attributing it to space and time. The cosmic Force is the source of destiny and visions of past and future, and so all powers of foresight are linked to this energy. Plagueis also attributed to it powers that manipulated space such as fold space.
So how do these two aspects of the Force related? Well according to Qui-Gon and the Force Priestesses the living Force feeds into and sustains the cosmic Force that in turn keeps and binds the galaxy together, allowing life to flourish. Hence when a living thing dies, it becomes one with the cosmic Force.
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And it is not the only two face of the force same for the warp, the immaterium...
Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Except for the OP characters like singular planet busters the vast majority of the normal super heroes would not really stand up to the billions of troops in power armor and monster sized forces in WH. There are a lot of pysker capable forces as well as conventional tough ass infantry forces. The Tyrannyds and Necrons are some serious mofos to. Numbers wise I don't know how ya would pit them as a chance if it were not for hax characters.
Are you kidding? Colossus alone would have god like strength in the WH verse. Let's not even talk about Thor, Hulk, or Thanos. Good lord Thanos would end an entire planet filled with WH characters.