Originally posted by CadenceV2
My views and others views I seen have always been used the average. Averagely GZ is around 100 meters tall and weighs 60,000 tons. Averagely he has one brain and is not a ghost.Makes sense to me.
The difference though is these are DIFFERENT VERSIONS. It's not the same case with a singular continuity of different portrayals of the same character. You're combining several into one with a composite.
Originally posted by leonidas
that initial battle against the avengers and ff was only a part of the story though. later godzilla was mutated and defeated by ironman, so marvel's opinion on godzilla, and his level, certainly changed over time.
Yeah but if I remember rightly that was after Marvel had lost the license to Godzilla, and had to mutate him into something completely unrecognizable. I'm not sure how much of a legitimate reference point it is for Godzilla as a result. Given Marvel didn't have the license for the character at that point I find it difficult to accept him as a valid version of the character - were they even allowed to refer to him as Godzilla in Iron Man #193-#196?
When they actually had the license to the character they had Godzilla perform pretty well against Stark-tech, including taking a hit from a weapon described as the best Stark had ever built:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/GODZILLA/Marvel/004-Godzilla-01b_zpsdb615eb8.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/GODZILLA/Marvel/004-Godzilla-01c_zps0c97bd0f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/GODZILLA/Marvel/004-Godzilla-01d_zps96728d68.jpg
He obviously didn't enjoy it much but it didn't slow him down overly either.
even in that original series he was easily beaten by being shrunk.
True (although he still seemed to be in The Thing's ballpark physically when he was like 10 feet tall which I always thought was quite impressive).
and tp would certainly destroy him.
Marvel Godzilla? Probably. The IDW Godzilla has a decent TP resistance feat or two. Telepathy is more variable in portrayal even than most other super-powers.
he's a tank, no doubt, but city busting attacks (at the outside) won't cut it against high heralds with crazy versatility.
In a high end feats comparison, of course not. I think on any kind of average showing though Godzilla's offense would be portrayed as hurting most top tier guys to some extent. I don't really think city-level destruction is anything to scoff at. On a day-to-day showing city-busting attacks would be pretty high-end for Hulk/Thor range guys. Obviously they have (much) higher end stuff too but it's rare as hell as a percentage of their total appearances.
anyway, everything i've seen and read of him would tell me he doesn't have much chance here at all.
Fair enough. Like I said, it's a difficult fight to even imagine in my opinion and cross-comparisons are even more difficult than usual as they aren't just different universes but different genres.
Cheers.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Here are some feats again of GZ high ends for those who may want to see the feats themselves. None of these are the more impressive IDW comics BTW.
I've got scans of most of the impressive IDW feats (sub-categorized into the various mini-series) here:
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/library/GODZILLA/IDW
That had more or less everything I thought of as feat-worthy up to a few months ago. I haven't got any of the newer issues though. I saw he survived being hit with two or three nukes at the same time recently so he's had other decent showings not covered in those scans.
His best feat (the black hole stuff) is in the HCW album (Half-Century War) but there's some decent showings in the others too.
Cheers.
Originally posted by LGU
I've got scans of most of the impressive IDW feats (sub-categorized into the various mini-series) here:
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/library/GODZILLA/IDWThat had more or less everything I thought of as feat-worthy up to a few months ago. I haven't got any of the newer issues though. I saw he survived being hit with two or three nukes at the same time recently so he's had other decent showings not covered in those scans.
His best feat (the black hole stuff) is in the HCW album (Half-Century War) but there's some decent showings in the others too.
Cheers.
Thank you. I am eager to read up on the IDW stuff now.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
Thank you. I am eager to read up on the IDW stuff now.
No problem. It's good stuff, I think any fan of Godzilla is likely to enjoy it a fair bit. Definitely the best Godzilla comics series (or collection of mini-series I guess) ever, although that's not saying much as the Marvel stuff was terrible and the Dark Horse stuff was... okay at times but nothing special (nice art though).
Cheers.
idw is very good. i used a few scenes from the series in my bz match, but still not as good as his better movie feats. his movie and or comic tp feats though are quite literally useless in a comicbook world. there is simply no defense for him against a high level tp comic character who routinely performs global or better feats--he would get completely mindraped, likely even by average comicbook psy characters. it's an inherent weakness, not even his fault. his world simply isn't populated by beings with planetary scale (and beyond) tp.
However he has TP feats. Look at say Beta Ray Bill. No real TP feats at all that I know of. Yet he is still super high tier in the comic world. Same for say Human Torch, who also has no real TP resistance. But easy high meta in the comic world.
TP is not that big of a deal. At least GZ has resisted City Area in distance TP feats. Pretty solid for comic characters. GZ would do find in the Marvel World IMO.
and there is proof he can be affected by very low level tp as well--that makes it about as good as having no feats. it's one of the myths i read about all the time. bill doesn't have feats either, that's true, but.....so? 😕 he can bust a planet with his hammer. he's also a partial cyborg, so there is that. and of course we're not talking about bill, who would also be taken out by a high level tp character, probably. human torch?? anyway, it's just one of the things i was mentioning earlier about myths. as far as the comic world goes, he has no tp feats to speak of. unless both sides of an issue are mentioned, it doesn't give a fair impression of the character. that's what i continually found as i looked through godzilla feats.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
I think we will agree to disagree. I see a few TP feats, and that's better than most. IMO anyway. He may not resist a Prof X, but I have no doubt he could resist say Lizard when he had TP.
It's impossible to say if he would resist the Lizard, I mean, you could make an argument I guess.
Originally posted by CadenceV2
However he has TP feats. Look at say Beta Ray Bill. No real TP feats at all that I know of. Yet he is still super high tier in the comic world. Same for say Human Torch, who also has no real TP resistance. But easy high meta in the comic world.TP is not that big of a deal. At least GZ has resisted City Area in distance TP feats. Pretty solid for comic characters. GZ would do find in the Marvel World IMO.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=527509&pagenumber=2
It's not much, but the guy doesn't have that many appearances.
