War Hulk & Death Sentry vs. WWH & Voidtry

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Don't forget he stopped Mjolnir via molecular manipulation and he either equalled or exceeded the power of every hero on Earth at that time.

Plus what you have to remember is the majority of Roberts appearances, he is scared of the Void coming out so he won't unleash his power. Like when he was holding back in the Genis-Vell fight. And many others that would overflow my post.

Imagine him not being scared and thinking I can do whatever I want and nothing will happen.

And don't forget Robert has defeated the Void himself in the past.

Thats what im saying. If we are dealing with Voidtry then it's probable that bob will fight back causing a loss. That's the nature of his character.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats what im saying. If we are dealing with Voidtry then it's probable that bob will fight back causing a loss. That's the nature of his character.

Ah okay my mistake.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah okay my mistake.

How do u think a meeting between wwh and ds would go? I curious why that persona and banner haven't met since they have history and pak choose to use a watered down sentry to fight him in wwh

Originally posted by Sin I AM
How do u think a meeting between wwh and ds would go? I curious why that persona and banner haven't met since they have history and pak choose to use a watered down sentry to fight him in wwh

DS Sentry would absolutely pulverize him.

You could literally put write a number of his abilities on pieces of paper. Put them in a box pick one out and make a perfectly reasonable explanation each time.

Luckily for Hulk in WWH he convinced Sentry to be the Savior instead of the Destroyer. Otherwise he would've been killed along with the whole planet. Instead Hulk got beaten back into Banner and Sentry turned back into Robert due to him wanting to be the Savior.

If you recall the dialogue goes like this.

Hulk: Savior, Destroyer. What matters is the choice you make

Then after that we see Hulk back to Banner and Sentry saying "Thanks" as Hulk convinced him like I already mentioned.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
DS Sentry would absolutely pulverize him.

You could literally put write a number of his abilities on pieces of paper. Put them in a box pick one out and make a perfectly reasonable explanation each time.

Luckily for Hulk in WWH he convinced Sentry to be the Savior instead of the Destroyer. Otherwise he would've been killed along with the whole planet. Instead Hulk got beaten back into Banner and Sentry turned back into Robert due to him wanting to be the Savior.

If you recall the dialogue goes like this.

Hulk: Savior, Destroyer. What matters is the choice you make

Then after that we see Hulk back to Banner and Sentry saying "Thanks" as Hulk convinced him like I already mentioned.

Agreed. I always despised that version of sentry anyway

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Agreed. I always despised that version of sentry anyway

Perhaps Robert did become kind of a villain but I don't think it was under his own inhibition that he done so.

If you remember he point blank refused to go out to fight Hulk until he was going to execute the heroes then he stepped in.

Which is what made him lose control, Where he was mentally unstable he couldn't hold in his power (if you remember he ended up half levelling that city)

Whereas when he is more mentally stable i.e the Genis Vell fight. He can exert in the writers words.

"Enough energy to shred entire worlds" (may be slightly wrong)

And in that fight he was releasing energy but it was even less than the Hulk fight even though it was eons ahead. He just in that fight was more stable.

(I wasn't really directing all of this message to you as you yourself probably know all of this. Was just summarizing my point)

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Perhaps Robert did become kind of a villain but I don't think it was under his own inhibition that he done so.

If you remember he point blank refused to go out to fight Hulk until he was going to execute the heroes then he stepped in.

Which is what made him lose control, Where he was mentally unstable he couldn't hold in his power (if you remember he ended up half levelling that city)

Whereas when he is more mentally stable i.e the Genis Vell fight. He can exert in the writers words.

"Enough energy to shred entire worlds" (may be slightly wrong)

And in that fight he was releasing energy but it was even less than the Hulk fight even though it was eons ahead. He just in that fight was more stable.

(I wasn't really directing all of this message to you as you yourself probably know all of this. Was just summarizing my point)

Grand summary. My issue with the character is the lack of proper development. He went from a strong hero with a dark half to an agoraphobia laden whimp, to a suicidal Voidtry to this death persona. He's all over the place and its not like he's TOAA his powerset isn't omnipotent he's relatively easy to write imo but writers seemed to have failed in his conveyance to me

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Grand summary. My issue with the character is the lack of proper development. He went from a strong hero with a dark half to an agoraphobia laden whimp, to a suicidal Voidtry to this death persona. He's all over the place and its not like he's TOAA his powerset isn't omnipotent he's relatively easy to write imo but writers seemed to have failed in his conveyance to me

I guess I see it this way, originally we see Robert just coming back so to him the Void is an enemy. Someone he can combat and defeat. Robert is back anew and ready to change.

Although Bendis kind of changed this (I myself have Agoraphobia so I feel like I understand this a bit better). The only way I can make sense of what Bendis done was that he made Sentry's illness progressively become worse until it finally culminates with Siege when the Void takes hold. He changed it to a character given godlike power but heavily crippled him with his Agoraphobia. That's the way you have to look at the Sentry. It became his character. It's like me or you being given his power. How would we cope with the abilities he has.

To think.

I can save the lives of a young family in a burning building in Rio de Janeiro but if I save them I will be letting a 4 month old baby in Morocco die. I think we would all go insane.

I can see how people can become mystified by his character but eventually it is easy enough to peace together.

And what we see now is what Sentry would've been without his fears but he is instead being driven on another path. And I myself can't wait to see where it takes him.

Lol at Sentry being watered down and before hand, Sentry was trying to play god against WWH. Then you have to think about it...two punches from Hulk ruined Sentry face, TWO, whereas Sentry initial attacks he laid upon WWH did absolutely nothing. Don't know why people thought of Sentry as watered down when in the same fight, he was about to level earth and none of the main heros minus WWH could stand up to him, let alone withstand his power.

Hulk did calm Sentry down but you have to understand, before this, Sentry was giving it his all (per his own words) and Hulk withstood every piece of it. Then you have to also remember that it wasn't Sentry that was holding back, it was Hulk. Remember, moments later, he gained far more power than what he used against Sentry. If anyone was watered down, it was Hulk. Hell, before even facing Sentry it was stated that he still held back as WWH. Was that Sentry powerful, suuuuuuurrreee, he wasn't powerful enough though which is the reason he got carried to the hospital.

WWH was operating on a Bizzare level. A level that allowed him to endure a rage blitz from Zom Strange. The same Zom who powers was going to engulf earth. Let's also not forget that WWH and Zom had a rematch, a stronger Zom and Hulk held his own. If we use WWH as a hole, all of his fts outside of World Breaker, honestly can't see any version of Sentry beating him tbh unless bfr is an option. Don't think you all have grasped yet how powerful that version of Hulk was.

^So you think that WWH is stronger than DS?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
^So you think that WWH is stronger than DS?

If you're not skyfather, yes, I think WWH is stronger than you.

Originally posted by carver9
If you're not skyfather, yes, I think WWH is stronger than you.

Ok DS is considered the equal in strength to all heroes combines, including Thor, Hulk and Hyperion. So WWH > all heroes combined in strength.

Interesting.

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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok DS is considered the equal in strength to all heroes combines, including Thor, Hulk and Hyperion. So WWH > all heroes combined in strength.

Interesting.

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WWH>>> 130 Hercs.

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I don't think there are even 20 people on earth that is close in strength to Herc. Let's see...peers would be Thor, Hyperion, Hulk...who else was clogged up in Rogue that equals or is near Herc in strength? Herc is physically High Herald and WWH freaking lungs endured that strength. Take it how you will. I just think WWH was the god of strength and he was basically unstoppable physically. I don't have a problem with people giving Sentry the majority over him but I honestly don't see why. It was near impossible to stop WWH physically. The only person that came close was Sentry and he had to mix the power of a million exploding suns and his strength to get it done...something I've yet to witness D Sentry use as a tactic.

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Where are you one punch? You're my buddy but we can also debate against each other sometimes.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
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Originally posted by carver9
Lol at Sentry being watered down and before hand, Sentry was trying to play god against WWH. Then you have to think about it...two punches from Hulk ruined Sentry face, TWO, whereas Sentry initial attacks he laid upon WWH did absolutely nothing. Don't know why people thought of Sentry as watered down when in the same fight, he was about to level earth and none of the main heros minus WWH could stand up to him, let alone withstand his power.

Hulk did calm Sentry down but you have to understand, before this, Sentry was giving it his all (per his own words) and Hulk withstood every piece of it. Then you have to also remember that it wasn't Sentry that was holding back, it was Hulk. Remember, moments later, he gained far more power than what he used against Sentry. If anyone was watered down, it was Hulk. Hell, before even facing Sentry it was stated that he still held back as WWH. Was that Sentry powerful, suuuuuuurrreee, he wasn't powerful enough though which is the reason he got carried to the hospital.

WWH was operating on a Bizzare level. A level that allowed him to endure a rage blitz from Zom Strange. The same Zom who powers was going to engulf earth. Let's also not forget that WWH and Zom had a rematch, a stronger Zom and Hulk held his own. If we use WWH as a hole, all of his fts outside of World Breaker, honestly can't see any version of Sentry beating him tbh unless bfr is an option. Don't think you all have grasped yet how powerful that version of Hulk was.

Carver as much as I think you're a good guy god damn do you p**s me off sometimes. We had this debate before. You and the Sorrow.

Right it begins...

Sentry was weakened he was extremely affected by his Agoraphobia. As you well know that extremely weakens him, Stark and Reed tried to get him to go out there even the President did but all failed. He then spent the next 29 hours standing in his doorway.

It was only when Hulk tried to kill the heroes did Sentry step in.

2 punches damaged Sentry's face.

What you neglect to say is Sentry wanted Hulk to stop him from attacking Hulk as he knew if he lost control he would destroy everything.

So we have 2 cases of incorrect information.

1.Sentry not being weakened
2. Sentry being damaged by Hulk (but you neglect to mention his mental state.

So you saying you don't know why he was watered down screams the pinnacle of ignorance, just except that Sentry was severely weakened and Hulk barely stalemated Sentry. Sure no heroes could stand up to either Sentry or WWH and you know why?

They're Sentry and WWH not because Sentry wasn't according to you "watered down" it's because of who they are.

Again you made this comment last time. I will paste this in as I can't be arsed typing it in again.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Perhaps Robert did become kind of a villain but I don't think it was under his own inhibition that he done so.

If you remember he point blank refused to go out to fight Hulk until he was going to execute the heroes then he stepped in.

Which is what made him lose control, Where he was mentally unstable he couldn't hold in his power (if you remember he ended up half levelling that city)

Whereas when he is more mentally stable i.e the Genis Vell fight. He can exert in the writers words.

"Enough energy to shred entire worlds" (may be slightly wrong)

And in that fight he was releasing energy but it was even less than the Hulk fight even though it was eons ahead. He just in that fight was more stable.

(I wasn't really directing all of this message to you as you yourself probably know all of this. Was just summarizing my point)

Hopefully this (above post) helps you.

I will now explain it a bit easier. Sentry when unstable is liable to let go i.e release his power. In this case as he was unstable when he fought Hulk he released energy to partly level a city.

Yet when he fought Genis he was operating on much higher levels but his energy being released although it was expanding was nothing like the WWH one. That's what you mean as "not holding back" but you misconstrue the comic to suit your argument.

Believe me Hulk wasn't watered down. That was the most powerful form of Hulk (unless you believe War Hulk to be tougher) so don't use that to make Sentry look bad and Hulk look good.

he wasn't powerful enough though which is the reason he got carried to the hospital.

This made me chuckle because it counters your argument. Sentry wanted to be put down by Hulk but Hulk couldn't do it.

Sentry managed to beat Hulk back into Banner and Hulk convinced Sentry to be a Saviour rather than the Destroyer. So again don't twist it to suit your ends.

honestly can't see any version of Sentry beating him tbh unless bfr is an option. Don't think you all have grasped yet how powerful that version of Hulk was.

That is honestly the biggest amount of tosh I have ever. Now on the forums I think you're a good guy (like I said at the start of my message) but please don't resort to this Carver.

Remember the fact that Sentry was weakened doesn't make the Hulk bad.

What you should look at is the fact that Sentry was nearing becoming a villain and Hulk became the hero convincing the Sentry to become good.

Any version made me laugh the most. Come on man...

WWH wins.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok DS is considered the equal in strength to all heroes combines, including Thor, Hulk and Hyperion. So WWH > all heroes combined in strength.

Interesting.

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Have you forgotten? Hulk is the strongest there is!!! Even if everything points to that being wrong in a battle that must be wrong for a made up reason.

Come on McAbe we all know Hulk is an avatar of TOAA...

Originally posted by janus77
WWH wins.

How?