First I want to start off by saying, stop taking this to the heart. Back on topic. Yes, before facing Hulk (before) he was thinking twice about it but you also forgot his statement to Tony "me fighting someone like this would take a lot of power (i think he said a lot or all, can't remember)". He knew he had to bring his "A" game and let me show you the proof.
While flying to Hulk he states "it's time to play god". Which is a statement that means it is time to bring down the Hulk imo. Let's move on.
Hulk states "you don't want this fight Sentry". Sentry states "oh god help me I do. You're the only one I can hit like THIS".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh010.jpg.html?src=wap
Doesn't sound like someone holding back to me or is having mental issues. Let's continue.
Sentry then unleash and what does Pak write.
"What's happening to your Sentry"? "He's unleashing the power of a million exploding suns". "Tony, what did you tell Sentry"?
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh016.jpg.html
"I said that sometimes you have to do the right thing and play god".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh017.jpg.html
Want to point out that Sentry has never unleashed like that before...EVER. Let's continue.
Aaaaahhhhh Bruce, you have to tell me, does it always feels this good to let go?
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh020.jpg.html
Clear what he means here.
"Funny who can't seem to stop".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh022.jpg.html
Stop what my friends? Stop himself from not holding back. It's clear Sentry mentality wasn't messing with him during this instance. Yes, an argument can be made hours before facing Hulk but after that, when he seen the threat Hulk was, Sentry decided to play god and unleash the power of a million exploding suns. Just like he said "does it always feel this good to let go". He found someone that he could unleash his powers on, someone that could withstand it and Hulk withstood all of it and was still standing. Hell, minutes later, he became even more powerful than he has ever been...
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh034.jpg.html
Don't see why people say Sentry was watered down when all in all, he wasn't and like I've stated before, an argument can be made for the Hulk not going all out tbh. Again, I don't have any issues with people saying Sentry could beat the Hulk but I disagree. To each his own.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
But that's a hyperbolic statement. He did not unleash that much energy
He released enough energy that he reverted back into his normal self.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh025.jpg
I honestly think Pak was throwing out there that he unleashed the power of a million exploding suns for a reason and when Ben Grim said it, Reed said "he's never unleashed power like that before...). Reed didn't disagree with it at all. He actually agreed with it. Doesn't matter since that isn't my point.
Originally posted by carver9
First I want to start off by saying, stop taking this to the heart. Back on topic. Yes, before facing Hulk (before) he was thinking twice about it but you also forgot his statement to Tony "me fighting someone like this would take a lot of power (i think he said a lot or all, can't remember)". He knew he had to bring his "A" game and let me show you the proof.While flying to Hulk he states "it's time to play god". Which is a statement that means it is time to bring down the Hulk imo. Let's move on.
Hulk states "you don't want this fight Sentry". Sentry states "oh god help me I do. You're the only one I can hit like THIS".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh010.jpg.html?src=wap
Doesn't sound like someone holding back to me or is having mental issues. Let's continue.
Sentry then unleash and what does Pak write.
"What's happening to your Sentry"? "He's unleashing the power of a million exploding suns". "Tony, what did you tell Sentry"?
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh016.jpg.html
"I said that sometimes you have to do the right thing and play god".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh017.jpg.html
Want to point out that Sentry has never unleashed like that before...EVER. Let's continue.
Aaaaahhhhh Bruce, you have to tell me, does it always feels this good to let go?
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh020.jpg.html
Clear what he means here.
"Funny who can't seem to stop".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh022.jpg.html
Stop what my friends? Stop himself from not holding back. It's clear Sentry mentality wasn't messing with him during this instance. Yes, an argument can be made hours before facing Hulk but after that, when he seen the threat Hulk was, Sentry decided to play god and unleash the power of a million exploding suns. Just like he said "does it always feel this good to let go". He found someone that he could unleash his powers on, someone that could withstand it and Hulk withstood all of it and was still standing. Hell, minutes later, he became even more powerful than he has ever been...
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh034.jpg.html
Don't see why people say Sentry was watered down when all in all, he wasn't and like I've stated before, an argument can be made for the Hulk not going all out tbh. Again, I don't have any issues with people saying Sentry could beat the Hulk but I disagree. To each his own.
Not taking it to heart carver, just irritated at how blatantly wrong you are, yet you continue to peddle your beliefs.
Sentry saying it's time to play god is him saying he has to take Hulk down.
You're right. But he had no other choice. Hundreds of people would've died.
"Hulk states "you don't want this fight Sentry". Sentry states "oh god help me I do. You're the only one I can hit like THIS".
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bi...pg.html?src=wap
Doesn't sound like someone holding back to me or is having mental issues. Let's continue."
I explained this and you have ignored me, me and Enzeru posted huge long posts defeating your argument yet you continue to use it.
I never said he was holding back, he wasn't and before you go "HA I caught you out!" allow me to explain...
He began to lose control due to him being unstable which is why he done so.
Hulk saying he doens't want this fight seems to me that Hulk knew what was going to happen he did say.
"STARK, RICHARDS!!! what happens next is on your heads"
So you are actually mixing up what Hulk meant. And what a surprise it was to improve Hulks stature.
Sure I saw that scan the last time you and The_Sorrow mentioned it 10 times over, and allow me to explain for the 11th.
Sentry was unstable as such he couldn't control his power
(he couldn't concentrate it)
So he released it over a wide area. Whereas in the Genis fight he could contain it easier even though that feat was much better. Again twisting a point to make Sentry look like he was trying his best.
Sentry couldn't stop because and here we go again.
Because he was mentally unstable so he couldn't control himself.
If I remember Hulk here convinced him to be the Savior afterwards.
"Goodbye old friend"
Implies that and shows that he was losing control and quite clearly so but nor for the reasons you want it to be for.
I've addressed the 2nd part of that paragraph so don't again twist things.
Sure I actually like the last scan. Doesn't have any bearing on the fight. Sentry never wanted the fight form the start. That's why he tried to get Hulk to stop him as soon as he knew he was losing control.
If Sentry hadn't stopped there everyone would have died.
Originally posted by carver9
He released enough energy that he reverted back into his normal self.http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh025.jpg
I honestly think Pak was throwing out there that he unleashed the power of a million exploding suns for a reason and when Ben Grim said it, Reed said "he's never unleashed power like that before...). Reed didn't disagree with it at all. He actually agreed with it. Doesn't matter since that isn't my point.
No you're wrong, he didn't release so much energy he returned to Reynolds. Hulk convinced him otherwise which I already went through in my other reply.
It was Hulk who was beaten back into Banner by Sentry.
And he didn't release all that power and if you really think he did are you saying the Genis feat is inferior to that? If you are then I don't know what to say.
I explained the compacting his power in another reply so address it there.
Originally posted by carver9
It really isn't.
Trust me it is. Lets see what everyone on this board thinks minus you and perhaps a couple of others and I reckon that the majority of people will say most Trans Tiers including a as stable as you can get non void Sentry and DS Sentry would defeat Hulk.
Make a thread paste every Trans Tier in and proudly declare no trans tier can beat WWH physically.
But you wont do it. Because you would get banned by Bada, Pr or Newjak whoever is on at the time.
So WWH can defeat...
Thanos, DS Sentry, Superboy-Prime can he?
Don't know why you keep bringing the Genis fight up though. It really doesn't help your argument.
1. Hulk is either far more powerful than Genis since he was able to achieve something Genis couldn't achieve and that was revert Sentry back to Bob or...
2. Sentry didn't exert close to the amount of power he used against WWH since again, he wasn't fatigued before, during, or after his fight against Genis.
What you are doing is choosing his high showings as him being all powerful and trying to use it as evidence in his fight against Hulk. Let me ask, how was his mentality when he fought Terrax? Was he all powerful or is that another scene we can use that proves he wasn't at peak game against Hulk even though he tells us that he will have to exert more power than ever against Hulk...we have him reverting back to his human form from exerting said powers (something that has never happened).
There is nothing pointing to Sentry holding back. There is nothing showing he was mentally retarded during his fight against Hulk. We have the opposite. He is going all out. Unleashing ALL of his power to stop Hulk and failing to do so at the end while Hulk still had enough power to go super Saiyan.
Like you've said, this doesn't make Sentry weak since again, he fought against one of the most powerful Hulk's ever.
Sentry statements...
It's time to play god.
You're the only one I can hit like THIS.
Does it always feel this good to let go?
Exerts himself to the point of turning into Bob.
Clear to me. Should be to you as well.
Also, huh? He couldn't stop himself because he was mentally messed up? How about he couldn't stop himself because it felt too good not holding back?
"Stark, Richards, what happens next is on your head". He's saying this while pulling back for this punch.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh011.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh012.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh013.jpg
Means something bad is about to happen and it's going to hang over their heads. He knew something was going to happen because Sentry is punching him through buildings. When he started fighting back, he knew something good wasn't going to come out of it. Either the death of him or Sentry.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Trust me it is. Lets see what everyone on this board thinks minus you and perhaps a couple of others and I reckon that the majority of people will say most Trans Tiers including a as stable as you can get non void Sentry and DS Sentry would defeat Hulk.Make a thread paste every Trans Tier in and proudly declare no trans tier can beat WWH physically.
But you wont do it. Because you would get banned by Bada, Pr or Newjak whoever is on at the time.
So WWH can defeat...
Thanos, DS Sentry, Superboy-Prime can he?
Lol...of course. The Hulk fans here are limited. There are only 3 people that supports him and 2 of them are rarely here. On this site, Hulk rarely pull majorities against Low Heralds so anyone else opinions really doesn't matter (since his fts get ignored). I guess you missed the 4 Hulks vs Superman thread?
We are debating this. I don't care about anyone else opinions.
Originally posted by janus77
WWH was vastly superior to Sentry, whilst holding back and trying to reason with the insane blonde druggie.
So according to you Hulk was holding back but I guess to you Sentry wasn't?
I take it you disagree with his mental illness affecting him. If you do then you're pretty much getting the whole story wrong.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
So according to you Hulk was holding back but I guess to you Sentry wasn't?
I have no reason to doubt their claim as their word is "god".
Originally posted by janus77No, he wasn't. They both reverted back and the Sentry was mentally weak in that showing whereas Hulk was near the top of his game. Sentry is on another level than Hulk as he is more versatile, faster, more powerful, and can reform. Hulk is screwed.
WWH was vastly superior to Sentry, whilst holding back and trying to reason with the insane blonde druggie.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...of course. The Hulk fans here are limited. There are only 3 people that supports him and 2 of them are rarely here. On this site, Hulk rarely pull majority against Low Heralds so anyone else opinions really doesn't matter (since his fts get ignored). I guess you missed the 4 Hulks vs Superman thread?We are debating this. I don't care about anyone else opinions.
Trust me Carver some people hate Hulk to the core. I am not one of them as much as it seems that isn't true now.
Hulk is up there for me as a good character.
The problem is Hulk is poisoned by the people that like him (you to an extent not entirely know as you can listen to reason) and The_Sorrow.
When you Hulk fans say things like no one but Skyfathers you have to expect some s**t because it's completely unsubstantiated.
Trust me I read it, I was online the whole day that thread was alive and kicking.
But as you know thread involving Hulk and Superman are the biggest s**tstirring threads around. So I rarely comment in one unless it's completely wrong.
Even if you feel Hulk is being hard done by you have to try to see the flip side of the coin.
Originally posted by janus77
Why "guess" when you can read and comprehend?
Marvel tell you that Hulk was holding back significantly (staggeringly), whilst Sentry was not.I have no reason to doubt their claim as their word is "god".
So you don't understand the whole premise behind either Sentry or the last issue of WWH.
Thanks for clarifying that for me Janus.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Trust me Carver some people hate Hulk to the core. I am not one of them as much as it seems that isn't true now.Hulk is up there for me as a good character.
The problem is Hulk is poisoned by the people that like him (you to an extent not entirely know as you can listen to reason) and The_Sorrow.
When you Hulk fans say things like no one but Skyfathers you have to expect some s**t because it's completely unsubstantiated.
Trust me I read it, I was online the whole day that thread was alive and kicking.
But as you know thread involving Hulk and Superman are the biggest s**tstirring threads around. So I rarely comment in one unless it's completely wrong.
Even if you feel Hulk is being hard done by you have to try to see the flip side of the coin.
Don't think you hate the Hulk but I know you love Sentry and again, I don't mind anyone giving him the majority but "I" disagree (some others as well).
Lol...I never said Hulk could beat a skyfather but I do think WWH strength approaches it.
Maybe you can throw out some trans tiers that is stronger than Hulk. Which ones? I am easily to be convinced in topics like this if you have a solid argument.
I honestly don't think Sorrow is bad as a debater at all and he is reasonable, especially when it comes to Hulk, and us Hulk supporters knows when Hulk loses. None of us has said he could beat Skyfathers, etc..we know his limitation...even as World Breaker but again, his fans are rare. I think you had a disagreement with Sorrow and that thread clung to you. Both of you made some solid arguments and I think you should let it go. All of our opinions being different is what makes KMC what it is.
