Exar Kun vs Count Dooku

Started by Sinious6 pages

Im not sure what makes you think JA Kun is irrelevant to TOTJ Kun. He is buffed in certain areas but also is in a disadvantageous position in other ways.

Yeah, JA Kun needs a strong force-user to do anything.

Exar Kun.

lol. Exar Kun destroys him.

no...

JA Kun did not have a nexus amp.

I could quote dump if you like, he'd only be at full power in his human form, this is made quite clear, though I'm still searching for the quote, but I am 100% on it.

He didn't even have Force energy reserves, he had to borrow it in order to use his dark powers, which he knows in his human form. He didn't just spontaneously grow a new set of skills.

by all means.

Again when he died he was near fully dependent on a nexus amp, but if you could substantiate the claim that all of his feats were from his own ability i,e not an external source like Luke's Praxeum students or the Yavin temple nexus I'm curious.

Students? yes, nexus? no.

Here:

Exar Kun himself possessed a great many other dark powers that he was unable to harness without the energy he needed to fuel his disembodied will.
--Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook

Exar Kun passed the millennia in uneasy slumber. For a moment, and only for a moment, he was roused partially from his stupor by the bright presence of a man strong in the Force. Slowly extending his feelers in the direction of the mysterious man, Kun discovered that one of his great temples was inhabited by a small band of armed humans. But before he could gather enough strength to reach out to top this energy source, the Force-user and his fellows departed, and Kun again lapsed into sleep.
A few scant years later, Kun is brought sharply awake by the arrival of not one or two, but a dozen humans blazing with the power he needed to live again. Eagerly but cautiously, Kun observes each arrival, probing for weaknesses and the power he needs to restore his lost reserves of energy. For a time, he is able to subside by feeding on their residual energy, but soon he will need worshippers if he is to grow more active. With a nucleus of followers to provide him energy-providing anger and fear, Kun will have enough power to escape his exile and take on human form. To his surprise, Kun recognizes the leader to be the same man who had visited Yavin Four years earlier, now much more powerful in the Force. Too powerful, for the moment, for Kun to tackle.
Kun finds Gantoris, strong-willed and impatient to learn, to be a more promising first candidate. He easily seduces Gantoris in the same manner that Nadd had seduced him—by promising forbidden knowledge and the truly powerful Jedi secrets Gantoris cannot wait to learn. Carefully building up and feeding on the anger of his first apprentice, Kun grows in power. Soon he feels confident to make an attempt to subvert Luke, knowing that if he can sway the teacher, the students will all follow. Kun, posing as Anakin Skywalker, appears to Luke and attempts to pull him toward the forbidden Sith teachings by tempting hi to use Sith power to seize control of the New Republic and destroy the Empire. Realizing that this shade is not that of his father, Luke rejects the offer.
Enraged and drained, Kun returns to Gantoris. Desperate for more energy, he goads Gantoris to new heights of anger by showing him the Eol Sha colonists dying on Dantooine. Gantoris is pushed too far, however, and turns on his Sith master. Realizing that Gantoris is no longer his, Kun utterly drains him to provide himself a reserve of energy to last until he can subvert more students.
Kun has just begun edging in on Streen when Kyp Durron arrives at the Jedi Academy. Kun immediately senses in the young man his ideal subject. Like Gantoris, Kyp is strong-willed and impatient to learn. Moreover, he is far more powerful than the Eol Sha leader, and young enough to be overconfident and naive.
Over a number of weeks, Kun slowly bends Kyp to his will, and begins to augment his power. He grows very powerful on Kyp's hate, and soon his hold on Kyp is so complete that he can send Kyp beyond the planet to do his will and still retain control over his subject. Ultimately, he has Kyp return to Yavin Four and helps him reclaim the Sun Crusher. He also bolsters Kyp's talents to allow him to defeat Luke and place him in a coma.
--Taken from the Jedi Academy Sourcebook

The dark man had shown him how to borrow energy from other living things, to shore up his own reserves. His mind was alert, but his nerves were frayed and his body exhausted. “What do you want with me?” Gantoris said. “You don’t just want to teach me.”
The shadow man agreed. “I want your anger, Gantoris. I want you to open the doorways of power. I am barred from the physical plane—but with enough other Sith followers, I could be at peace. I could even live again.”
“I won’t let you have my anger.” Gantoris swallowed, searching for a core of strength within himself. “A Jedi does not give in to anger. There is no passion; there is serenity.”
“Don’t quote platitudes to me!” the dark man said in a cold, vibrating voice.
“There is no ignorance; there is knowledge,” Gantoris continued, repeating the Jedi Code. “There is no passion; there is serenity.”
The dark man laughed again. “Serentity? Let me show you what is happening at this moment. Do you recall the people you saved from Eol Sha? How happy you were o learn they had been taken to a place of safety, a paradise world? Observe.”
Inside the black cut-out form of the hooded man, an image appeared, displaying the grasslands of the planet Dantooine. The scene looked familiar to Gantoris after seeing the progress tapes delivered by Wedge Antilles. But now he saw Imperial lasers striking down, leveling the colony buildings, giant armored walkers striding across the savanna, blasting anything that moved, igniting the temporary living units. People ran screaming. His people. Gantoris recognized most of their faces, but before he could name them, they dissolved one by one in brilliant flashes as they tried to flee. The trees blazed in conical bonfires; black clumpy smoke rose in jagged swirls.
“You lie! This is a trick!”
“I have no need of lies when the truth is so devastating. You can do nothing to stop it. Do you enjoy watching your people die? Does that not spark your anger? In your anger lies strength.”
Gantoris saw the old man Warton, whom he had known his entire life, standing in the middle of the holocaust. Warton stared around him, hands dangling at his sides, frozen in shock, until a thick green bolt cut him down.
“No!” Gantoris shouted.
“Let loose your anger. Make me stronger.”
“No!” he repeated, turning his head away from the images of burned ruins and blackened bodies.
“They are all dead. All of them,” the dark man taunted. “No survivors.”
Gantoris ignited his lightsaber and lunged at the dark man.
Luke heard a disturbance coming down the hall: clumsy footsteps slapping on the floor, panicked shouts. He looked up, ready to scold one of his students for such a blatant lack of control, when the cloned alien Dorsk 81 rushed into the control center. “Master Skywalker! You must come immediately!”
Luke sensed waves of horror and misery spilling from his candidate. “What is it?” he asked. “Use the calming techniques I showed you.”
But Dorsk 81 grabbed his arm. “This way!” The yellow-olive alien urged him out of the cluttered control room. Luke sensed widening ripples of alarm traveling like an earthquake through the solid stone of the temple. They ran along the flagstoned corridors, up the turbolift, and into the section of living quarters where the trainees made their homes. A sour, smoky stench filled the air, and Luke felt an icy lump in his stomach as he pushed cautiously forward. Hard-bitten Kam Solusar and addled Streen both stood outside the open doorway to Gantoris’s quarters, looking pasty and ill.
Luke hesitated for a fraction of a second, then moved through the doorway. Inside the small stone chamber, he saw what was left of Gantoris. The body lay crisped and blackened on the floor, burned from the inside out. Singed stains on the flagstones showed where he had thrashed about in the conflagration. Gantoris’s skin flake din black, peeling ashes over his powdery bones. Rising wisps of steam curled from the remaining fabric of his Jedi robe. On the floor the newly constructed lightsaber lay where Gantoris had dropped it, as if he had tried to fight something—and lost.
Luke leaned against the cool stone wall to catch his balance. His vision blurred, but he could not tear his gaze from his dead student sprawled in front of him. By now the other eleven trainees had gathered. Luke grasped the worn stone bricks at the edge of the door until even the rounded corners bruised his fingers. He applied a Jedi calming technique three times before he felt confident enough to trust his voice. The words tasted like wet ash in his mouth, as Yoda had told him so long ago. “Beware the dark side,” he said.
--Taken from Dark Apprentice

The Massassi temples on Yavin were designed to focus dark side energy, were they not?

They were

Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Massassi temples on Yavin were designed to focus dark side energy, were they not?

Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates. 😮‍💨

Not Revan, Revan merely was intended to be in the Mortis trilogy but was cut officially. Bane however is canon.

Originally posted by appletonia
Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates. 😮‍💨

Stop now you're gonna make them cry.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Not Revan, Revan merely was intended to be in the Mortis trilogy but was cut officially. Bane however is canon.

Talking about the new story update for TOR involving Revan.

O, sorry did not know that. What did it say?

These apparently, haven't watched them myself. Nephthys or DarthAnt might know more about it.

watch?v=7szur1TFre8
watch?v=hqOMXGeSNG8

I'm curious to see how strong he has become

Apple, its basically that they made the Temple of the Ancients pretty massive now. So Bane destroying it later on is more impressive that it was before.

Spoiler:
Yes I know but don't tell Tempest that.
Originally posted by appletonia
Just wanted to let you know that Bane and Revan are officially the new darlings of Legends Canon and that while all of your favourite characters' storylines are now over, Revan's and Bane's are still ongoing and they will be getting new feats and new plotlines and new outfits for as long as TOR continues to get story updates. 😮‍💨

lol

watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=28SB39QTVPw#t=1887

"Our idea was that we wanted to see the Emperor and Vader just kicking ass together in ways we haven't seen before, because they're two really awesome, powerful guys."