Originally posted by abhilegend
What? How did that even made sense? Hero was upgraded to Thor level strength. That's it.
"Made me far mightier than before".
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpg
He even one-shots a small army of Eternals which included Ikaris. "The strongest of Eternals has been reborn stronger..."
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpg
Nice of you to ignore what's on panel.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Please do enlighten me about the context about
the wraith fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he wasn't. Forgotten One was trapped in Sue's bubble where Thor was able to advance through it.http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/EasilyWithGigalmesh2.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
He is more like Wonder Man level than Thor level in strength.It isn't. Thor beating an equal in strength after a prolonged battle is a measure of skill?
smh.
Let's say he was Wonder Man level. Imagine Wonder Man amplified many times over with Celestial energy.
Originally posted by IgnizYeah, I call bullshit on that.
The Official Index Of the Marvel Universe Thor is more than just a handbook.
It confirmed stories like Thor Vikings and Thor truth of history being canonical.So? Where they ever said to be non canon in comics?
While some of the one shot Thor stories were confirmed non canonical because it happened in a different Ragnarok Cycle.It was stated in those Fraction trilogies too.
Even Thor's appearance in Venus#12 is confirmed canonical.Even the Demiurge scene in Thor annual#10 is confirmed still canonical.Not relevant at all.
And if your talking about the half strength scene, that happened in Thor#398 were Loki powered up Thor.That is Balder flat out saying that Thor still had half his strength. Not sure how anybody can refute that.
They were still armed with Mjolnir copies.And those hammers were capable of matching the real Mjolnir.Your point would be? Because when Thor manhandled Loki and Fenris, they didn't land a single hit on Thor. And Thor would beat the shit out of Loki and Fenris with pure strength alone in h2h.http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-08.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-15.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-16.jpg
http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc412/igniz6/Surtur/MISCELLANEOUS/Craftsmanship/ThorV2080-17.jpg
And BRB used Stormbreaker to kill Fenris Wolf.Thor didn't use Mjolnir when he took on both Loki and Fenris Wolf.And after 10 or so blows, didn't KO either of them. Superman KOED someone stronger, faster and more durable than him in less attacks.
Imagine being ganged up by 2 guys with hammers.Who didn't hit you once.
And Fenris Wolf is a class 100 in strength.So Fenris Wolf isn't weaker than Thor.In his dreams maybe. Cap embarrased him in the very same arc.
The original Norse Myth stated that Fenris Wolf would be bind by an unbreakable chain.But at the day of Ragnarok, Fenris Wolf finally breaks the chain.Who the **** cares about that? Post an actual feat from the comic.
Are you serious with this?Thor had to fight for a year without weapons.That means he'll take on Mages,Giants,Dark Elves,Fire Demons, and etcSuuuuuuuure.
Even if Thor has his strength, those races that I mentioned still has the advantage of having weapons and natural powers.Ice Giants for example are bigger,stronger(class 100 because they were stated to be more related to Ymir) and possess the ability to generate cold compared to their inferiors the Frost Giants.Fire Demons in large numbers are capable of overwhelming herald level beings like Beta Ray Bill.Imagine taking on Dark Elves without using Iron in the battlefield.Mages has the advantage of magic.I haven,t gotten to the sword,spears,bow and arrows and etc.Those weapons are still capable of hurting or killing Thor.Imagine sending someone to war but barring him from using guns or weapons of any kind for an entire year.Do you think anyone would agree to that knowing your enemy has guns and you don't?And I would probably tell the guy who told me to fight for a year without weapons "PHUCK YOU!" since I know I'm not that skilled.Yeah completely off panel fights and skills are indicator of skills now!!! Way to go Thor!!11
Impressive.ButSeriously? Did you even read the scans?In mortal form, Thor wrestles and defeats nearly a dozen men.
If you think that was impressive, here Thor takes on and out wrestles a Grizzly Bear when stripped of his powers and having his soul placed in a human form.Not impressive enough.http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear1.jpg.html
http://s779.photobucket.com/user/R-O-G/media/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear2.jpg.html
Without powers, Thor is able to keep up with Captain America -even saves his life- as they take on the troops of the Zodiac.That's the most overrated skills scene I've ever seen. Why is running alongside Cap and fighting along with him is a skill feat?http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors1.jpg
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The ones I gave is Thor being powerless and shows his skill.😂
That's just sad.
You can argue strength all you want.But again, its not the be all end all of winning fights.A man skilled in fighting can beat a less skilled stronger man.So Thor's skill>>>DCNU Superman's strength.Who the **** said I was talking merely strength. Superman defeating Xa-Du who was evenly matched with Superman and Wraith>>all those skills feats put together.
Deal with it.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17So nothing which makes unamped Gilgamesh anywhere above Thor level. Because the same hero was stalemated by Hercules too. Just four issues later.
Get the heck outta here.. The character has always been considered high tier strength. At the time he was the strongest of the Eternals. He also was compared to Hercules and stated to perform feats like holding up the earth...
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-01/enhanced/webdr06/23/14/enhanced-buzz-7284-1390505840-22.jpg"Made me far mightier than before".
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_12_zpsc654924b.jpgHe even one-shots a small army of Eternals which included Ikaris. "The strongest of Eternals has been reborn stronger..."
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff492/twinzeeto/More%20Thor/Thor_287_13-14_horz_zpse183202e.jpgNice of you to ignore what's on panel.
Like you said in the Thor fight, it was also prolonged and it was also towards the end that we see Clark utilizing the kryptonite type ring on Wraith. Plus we know he's had it on his person all along. Still he did beat Wraith in the end on more even terms using trickery. That's why Thor's fight is a perfect parallel. Yes Thor was reinvigorated with electricity along the way , but it was a prolonged fight against a seemingly more powerful character. In the end Thor defeated Forgotten One towards the end with his bare hands.GTFO. Wraith was nowhere affected by kryptonite. Last time Superman used kryptonite on wraith, he beat him in one page. Superman was heavily damaged, weakened by kryptonite instead. And Thor just punched Hero to KO. No skill required to beat someone as strong as you after a long fight.
That's all well and good, but he's always been compared to the likes of Hercules. One scene doesn't all of a sudden make him chopped liver.And Hercules isn't skilled enough to beat someone stronger than him too. If he has, please provide ONE example out of sixty years.
Lol you and your double standards.More like I know how much context Thor fans love to leave out.
Let's say he was Wonder Man level. Imagine Wonder Man amplified many times over with Celestial energy.Who said he was amped several times? How the **** did you reach at that conclusion?
Originally posted by carver9
Superman took Wraith out of the fight by throwing his weakness in his mouth. Don't know why ABHI think Superman koed Wraith under his own power because he didn't.
But as you forgot, Superman was the one who was explicitly weakened by kryptonite. And had several of his bones broken.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987258/5879606.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987260/5671047.jpg.html
He already had two ribs broken from the throw.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987250/4657846.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987252/6971557.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/19987253/146559.jpg.html
So STFU about Wraith being weakened when it was just Superman's strength, skills and speed in his own words. Everytime either Superman or Wraith's kryptonite showed up it was specifically mentioned.
And Superman had beaten the shit out of Wraith before he took out the ring. Seriously at this point I'm going to report you if you keep this up.
@abhi....
Superman wasn't weakened, at all. He even states here that the only thing they have is their physical stats. A page after this, he states that the fight is even.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-39-24_zpsb68989e8.png.html
It's obvious the kryptonite had no affect on him anymore.
Also, lol, a punch didn't Ko him abhi. Stop seeing what you want to see.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-01-16_zps4cf95e8e.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-40-38_zps0a8e672b.png.html
Superman shoves Wraith kryptonite down his throat and tells him that he will be a ghost. Why will he be a ghost ABHI? Why will we not see Wraith again, ABHI? It's pretty freaking obvious...He is chewing on his weakness. Superman had nothing to do with it. Him shoving his kryptonite down his throat is the reason Wraith is out. Him dangling it in his face during the end is the reason Wraith is out. You want to yell and high light Wraith using kryptonite against Superman but when Superman pulls out the ring in Wraith face, you are denying that it had any type of effect. Are you crazy or something? Stop being a hypocrite. Superman pulled the ring out, threw the ring down Wraith throat, etc...
Superman did well against Wraith but he didn't beat him under his own power. Also, you are praising Superman beating Wraith as some type of glory showing. Why couldn't Superman bear Wraith without using the magnetic field of Earth. Why did he have to use weakness exploiting (remember, Wraith powers works effectively while being bathed in the temperature of Earth atmosphere)? Why couldn't he just beat him without resorting to messing with Wraith powers?
Originally posted by carver9Did you just say that facing kryptonite radiation didn't weaken superman just one page later?
@abhi....Superman wasn't weakened, at all. He even states here that the only thing they have is their physical stats. A page after this, he states that the fight is even.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-10-39-24_zpsb68989e8.png.html
facepalm
It's obvious the kryptonite had no affect on him anymore.It already weakened him and since he was underground he didn't recover from them. But I like how much double faced you can get to lowball superman.
Also, lol, a punch didn't Ko him abhi. Stop seeing what you want to see.He tossed the kryptonite and pushed him in ground knocking him out. What's so hard to understand about that?
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-01-16_zps4cf95e8e.png.html
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Superman shoves Wraith kryptonite down his throat and tells him that he will be a ghost. Why will he be a ghost ABHI?facepalm
Let me do that again.
facepalm
I have never seen such an incompetent reading incomprehension.
Why will we not see Wraith again, ABHI? It's pretty freaking obvious...He is chewing on his weakness. Superman had nothing to do with it. Him shoving his kryptonite down his throat is the reason Wraith is out. Him dangling it in his face during the end is the reason Wraith is out.Are you really this slow or is this another of your acts?
You want to yell and high light Wraith using kryptonite against Superman but when Superman pulls out the ring in Wraith face, you are denying that it had any type of effect. Are you crazy or something? Stop being a hypocrite. Superman pulled the ring out, threw the ring down Wraith throat, etc...Who the **** said it never had any effect on Wraith? It had an affect on him when Superman pulled it AFTER beating him up.
And Superman is saying that "stay here like what you are. A ghost." As far as Earth people, Wraith doesn't exist. I don't have to explain this but you are just exceptional.
Superman did well against Wraith but he didn't beat him under his own power.STFU. The fight was pretty clear cut. One more time and i'm reporting you.
Also, you are praising Superman beating Wraith as some type of glory showing. Why couldn't Superman bear Wraith without using the magnetic field of Earth. Why did he have to use weakness exploiting (remember, Wraith powers works effectively while being bathed in the temperature of Earth atmosphere)? Why couldn't he just beat him without resorting to messing with Wraith powers?Because Wraith used kryptonite, you dunderhead. Before that Superman was beating him like a red headed step child, smashing from earth to moon and back.
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Seriously, your butthurt is flowing from your posts. Go see a doctor.
@abhi...
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong my friend. Let's continue. The last time Superman pulled that ring out on Wraith, this happened.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-15_zps2508415e.png.html
Superman tells Wraith that the the ring affects him the same way Kryptonite affects Superman.
Then Superman nearly beat him in a couple of punches.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-18-11-32-18_zps9fd62cb1.png.html
You know, the same guy that is superior to him in every way. Glad you admitted the ring played it's part though. Picture it like this. Imagine someone throwing kryptonite down Superman throat or waving kryptonite around Superman while fighting someone that is either your equal, or extremely powerful. Would you consider that a fair fight abhi (please say yes, PLEASE SAY IT)? This fight reminds me of the fight where we had a discussion on if Superman was weakened when he faced Cap and you brought up kryptonite playing it's part. You remember that ABHI? So again we have Superman waving the ring at Wraith during their last fight (just like he did in their first fight). We then have confirmation that the ring is like Kryptonite to Wraith which weakens him. How do we know it weakens him? 1. Superman outright mud stomped him the first time he used it with a couple of punches. Superman admits (while the ring is on his hand like it was during their last fight) that it affects Wraith the same way green kryptonite affects him. 2. Then Superman not only waves it in his face (which again, with my scan above, that's proof of Wraith being weakened with the ring even being out around him) but he throws it down his throat. What if Wraith threw kryptonite down Superman throat ABHI, while waving it around at him before hand. Would you consider it a legit knock out if Wraith koed Superman? Think ABHI? Also, I feel safe at saying we will not see Wraith again since he has kryptonite down his throat. We will wait and see.
